What about making the thale charge and only lowering it to around 300?

They are rare now becaue we have no market.

How much would you pay for ine of those weapons? Because come the market they will be nowhere as rare as they are now...

The rate of officer drops in dust is probably orders of magnitude higher than in dust oncenthe market goes live and we can sell them... they will be more available than everyone is thinking.

Its gonna be scary knowing that pepple can buy them in bulk and murder death kill at the rate they'll be able to aquire them.

CCP should really look at this. The Thale's should not do 114 more damage than the Prototype Sniper Rifle when all the other Officer weapons are only slightly better than their Prototype counterparts.

actually those extra 1-4 points in damage are devastating when the guy you are aiming at gets hit around 5-10 times a second, that's why many use geks despite only technically doing slightly more damage then it's standard counterparts the rof is immense and that extra damage gets stacked very quickly.

going off of that the thale's (as a sniper)is still a single fire precision weapon and doesn't quite have that stacking ability (not saying you can't shoot someone twice it just takes longer to get a second shot off) that is most likely why the damage is so high.

feel free to correct me on anything you feel I was wrong on this is just my opinion and i'm not against having a conversation on it.

The difference between all the Officer weapons (except the Thale's) and their Prototype counterparts is minimal. Take the HMG for example. On a 500 HP target you only get a 2-3 bullet difference when using the Officer weapon instead of the Prototype. The same with the others.

The Thale's on the other hand is so much better than the Prototype. It's able to put out about 500 damage per shot if using damage mods (stacking penalty or not), which means it'll be able to 1-shot a lot of non-heavies, and 2-shot some heavies. The Prototype Sniper is only able to put out about 300 damage.

When saying the Thale's has high damage because it's hard to shoot someone twice (which it isn't btw), then the same would be applied to all the other Snipers, but it isn't because they would then be OP.

as I said the few points in damage the other officer weapons have goes a long way along with their other benefits your example on the officer hmg is one of these as the rof on a hmg (and other weapons such as the smg and AR) is very high and the damage is multiplied very quickly.

the officer's weapons are all about making a presence on the battlefield and the damage they do gives a feeling of 'what the hell is that' when used against you another weapon that has a sizable increase is the officer's forge gun and let me tell you after having been hit by one when I had my reps and hardeners on it still did a 'oh balls' amount of damage.

the thales is not impossible to survive a shot from the thale's but it is for most a one shot weapon as they are using A:damage mods and little protection or B:don't have the skills,and by extension the mods, to survive a shot from the weapon.

also I'm not saying that it is hard to shoot someone twice with the thale's just that there is a stopping time between shots as it is a 'normal' sniper and not a tactical (could you imagine an officer's version of the tactical would have like 250 damage at the base*shudders*) so that may be why the damage is so high ,mind you the damage seems to have taken a bit of a buff for some reason (or perhaps was that way before and I didn't notice) and a slight decrease may be in order perhaps 300-310 but nothing crippling as it still needs that 'oh balls' factor on the battlefield.

About SMG:
Point of officer weapon here is not much more dmg (but it is huge anyway) but CPU/PG usage.

Back to all officers weapons, not only dmg is important. So anyway they are balanced/designed in more ways then you point.

For thale I ask always for OB - solved, no more free k/d boost. .

Using the ARs as the baseline for damage I have found this:

Duvolle: 25575 Damage per minute
Balac: 30680 Damage per minute
Difference: 5105 Damage per minute
Percent increase from Duvolle to Balac: 20%

Duvolle: 2046 Damage per clip
Krin: 3069 Damage per clip
Difference: 1023 Damage per clip
Percent increase from Duvolle to Krin: 50%

Ishukone: 209 Damage per shot
Thales: 323 Damage per shot
Difference: 114 Damage per shot
Percent Increase from Ishukone to Thale: 55%

As it is the Thale is slightly above the damage percentage of the Krin assault rifle.
If the Thale was brought in line with the 20% increase of the Balac it would do 250 Damage per shot but would need to be given another round(total of six instead of 5).


TL;DR
The Thale is in line with the damage increase of the Krin but isn't to the Balac. To put it in line with the Balac the Thale would need to be 250 damage per shot.

What about making the thale charge and only lowering it to around 300?

The Officer Forge Gun does the same damage as the Prototype Forge Gun, and less damage than the Prototype Assault Forge Gun. It does, however, have a bigger clip and lower charge time.

Again, why don't the other regular Sniper Rifles do more damage then? Simply because they would be OP, so there's absolutely no reason as to why the Thale's should be doing 114 more damage than the Prototype Sniper Rifle. It just seems like they forgot the Thale's when they flattened the damage of all the weapons, because the other Officer Sniper Rifle, the Balac's, has the correct damage (19 more than the Prototype).

The Thale's needs to be lowered to 230-240 damage.

No. I strongly disagree. The Thale's is the only sniper rifle that does what it does, and it's good at it.
There is no fear factor if the damage is lowered that much.
I got my first and ONLY pack of Thale's EVER, just last night, and I've played a LOT of Dust. 3 straight builds, and I got my first set of Thale's last night.
No. Thale's are RARE.
The performance is flawless. I'm going to hate when the damage mods are "fixed", because running quad-damage mods with a Thale's is an extremely HARD-EARNED 1-shot kill on most enemies. You'll still need 2 or 3 shots to kill a heavy.

Sniper's work hard to earn their Thale's. When they get it, it MUST be capable of 1-shot ****.
Comparing the Forge Gun with the Thale's is not possible.
We're talking a weapon that kills armor and infantry alike vs. a weapon that is anti-infantry only.

Even when the market opens up, they will eventually become rare again. The supply of Thale's will NOT meet the demand.

Don't tell me, I have to work hard to spec up to use the best sniper rifle in the game, which is already hard enough to come by, just to tell me, "surprise! it's not much stronger than the other rifle you were using."

It's purpose IS to make you shudder. It IS supposed to be OP. When you see one killing you in a match, you're not supposed to have a chance to get to cover. The sniper using it, is not supposed to be a sniper where you can say, "well i'll just flank him. stupid sniper. if i get hit, ill just take cover and rep." No. Just no.

It's fine to do that with any other SR, but not Thale's. No.

(Prototype) Ishukone Sniper Rifle - 209 damage, 93 CPU, 14 PG.
(Officer) Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle - 323 damage, 51 CPU, 7 PG.
(Officer, Tournament) Balac's N-17 Sniper Rifle - 228 damage, 51 CPU, 7 PG.

I don't have the Officer Scramber Pistol (if there is one), so I don't have the numbers on that one.

The first thing that springs to mind is the fact that the Thale's Sniper Rifle has 114 more damage than the Prototype Sniper Rifle, whereas all the other Officer weapons only get slightly more damage (or in the case with the Forge Gun, less charge-up time and bigger clip size) and a couple of weapons get a couple of extra small bonuses over the Prototype weapons.

Either the Thale's needs to have it's damage brought way down to about 230-240 damage or all the other Officer weapons need to get a lot better than they currently are to better match the Thale's Sniper Rifle. This way it better matches the other Officer weapons, and matches especially the other Officer Sniper Rifle better.

Firstly, I personally don't think there needs to be any adjustment to the Thales, though, having said that I may be biased somewhat being a sniper. I think that there are obviously devastating effects currently due to the fact that most people are running standard and advanced suits, which will not be the case 6 months down the line, so any adjustment I think is a bit premature.

Secondly, given the above point, I agree that there is a HUGE disparity between the prototype and the officer, and barely anything between standard and prototype. I think that the the way this needs to be fixed is changes to the other rifles. The prototype sniper needs a buff, the militia sniper needs a nerf, and the advanced is at about a median level. I think this would solve many issues around the redline sniping and improve the importance of a specialised sniper.

Yeah we agree on the huge difference between the Prototype and Officer Sniper Rifle (Thale's, not Balac's). The reason for the small difference from the Militia/Standard to Prototype is the damage flattening that happened a while back. There's basically a 5% damage increase between the tiers of all the weapons (so not just the Sniper Rifles). Therefore this won't change with just the Sniper Rifles, so the difference between the Standard and Prototype stays the same.

Therefore the Thale's needs to be brought down to balance it.