There should be militia variants of all weapons.... No sense in skilling up in weapons you might not like....

I was about to say the same thing. We still need Militia Laser Rifles, Militia AV grenades, Militia Flux Grenades, Militia Nova Knives, and Militia Mass Drivers, if memory serves.

As for the OP, take this from a Prototype Forge Gun veteran. Militia Forge Guns suck. They objectively, by-the-numbers, pencil-and-paper, in-theory-and-in-practice SUCK. If you die to them, it is either because many enemy players chose to use them because they were sick of being bullied by a tank, or you just suck even worse.

Seriously making everything militia? Its bad enough having my 700k dropship shot out of the sky 24/7 by your crapppy unlosable weapons. Adding more militia stuff with more damage would make everything else pointless

There should be militia variants of all weapons.... No sense in skilling up in weapons you might not like....

oh quit whining you tank feeb, we gotta have SOME kind of defences against you after all

The new guys need something to fight with.
Come on guys if there weren't a couple of easy to use weapons with good power no new player will ever stay with the game. You can't expect them to just die for the first month until they get their skills up just so you can feel happy about the fact your weapon is better than theirs, thats why there's the HMG (good for people like me who can't aim and allows a new player to get stuck in at close range and get a couple of kills while experienced players can stay back out of range and still pick them off), The Militia FG (There so the new guys can actually try their hand at AV and maybe even take out an inexperienced tanker) and finally the apparently OP militia tanks (They have to be able to survive a couple of hits people it's a tank!!! and it needs to be somewhat effective so new lads can get a grip of using a HAV). We need to bear in mind the need for new players to have avenues so they can actually get somewhere in the game without investing too heavily, if we don't we'll never get new players and if we do then we'll draw in lot's more players. Here's a good video on the subject http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EitZRLt2G3w&list=UUCODtTcd5M1JavPCOr_Uydg&index=7.

regards

Snag

no the militia forge gun does nothing if you have the right tank.you have to know your tank isnt going to be unstopable it will be destroyed at some point you just cant be a tank rambo any more lol

You're an idiot.
You shouldn't have AV for free.

I have came up with a sollution i believe would suit everyone . Firstly let every one use the malitia gear , but only give them acces to 100 of each item , opnce you have used 100 of each item it should give you the option to skill in to said item if you refuse then it should no longer allow you acces to said wepon , thusly allowing everyone to try particular fits and decide if they thinkl its efective enough to skill into. secondly create maches where no malitia items are allowed this would please everyone as would creating battles where its only malitia gear thats being used.

Yummy tears of heartbroken QQers!

I shall bottle these and add them to my personal stores in my cellar.

These shall age nicely!! >=9

Too much work for too little a problem. They can try to blow it out of proportion all they want, but they are kicking and screaming for nothing. If I can build a starter fit LAV with all BPO items that can survive a forge gun blast, their tanks have nothing to complain about.

Basically, and I never say this, get good and HTFU.

You dont know anything about my playingstyle mate , ive just capped 3millsp run with a 2.64kdr over 480,000 wp and so you dont know sh~t about me so shut it oh ..... i wasent on hear complaining i was trying to find a sollution that would pleas the QQrs ,

My HTFU and get good were not aimed at you, but at the QQers. If you notice, the entire post says "they" not "you". Sorry I said it in a confusing manner.

But it's noce to know you care.

You dont know anything about my playingstyle mate , ive just capped 3millsp run with a 2.64kdr over 480,000 wp and so you dont know sh~t about me so shut it oh ..

sorry about loosing it lol , i just dont like being sha# at , lets hug and be friends lol . sorry again for loosing my top was also frustrated at the bloody nerf the HMG treads .

The vast majority of the DUST community is fine with Militia Forge Guns, so there is no reason to change them.

Personally, no issue with the Militia Forge Gun, same for most people, the issue I have is it is free.

Pick Sentinel Class (I believe) and you're given a "Dire Sentinel" fitting, which is a heavy suit with a Free Militia Forge Gun.
Shouldn't be free, you should have to buy it.

Personally, no issue with the Militia Forge Gun, same for most people, the issue I have is it is free.

Pick Sentinel Class (I believe) and you're given a "Dire Sentinel" fitting, which is a heavy suit with a Free Militia Forge Gun.
Shouldn't be free, you should have to buy it.

Remove the Dire Sentinel class, I have no qualms with that. I just don't want the stats altered. Any weaker and only having 3 rounds with such a large charge time would pretty much kill any usefulness it has, that's all I want to avoid.

My apologies, I've been up for 22 hours and my eyes are glazing over large chunks of text atm.

EDIT: However, I still have no issue with the Dire Sentinel class. It's only useful for a while. If the militia forge gun was a BPO that you could equip on a stronger suit, I'd have an issue with it. But on a slow, heavy starter fit suit that only has a base HP of around 500 HP, I'm really not worried about.

Well, this. Yep, that pretty much sums it up. Except I've only been up for 19 hours.

Remove the Dire Sentinel class, I have no qualms with that. I just don't want the stats altered. Any weaker and only having 3 rounds with such a large charge time would pretty much kill any usefulness it has, that's all I want to avoid.

My apologies, I've been up for 22 hours and my eyes are glazing over large chunks of text atm.

EDIT: However, I still have no issue with the Dire Sentinel class. It's only useful for a while. If the militia forge gun was a BPO that you could equip on a stronger suit, I'd have an issue with it. But on a slow, heavy starter fit suit that only has a base HP of around 500 HP, I'm really not worried about.

Too much work for too little a problem. They can try to blow it out of proportion all they want, but they are kicking and screaming for nothing. If I can build a starter fit LAV with all BPO items that can survive a forge gun blast, their tanks have nothing to complain about.

Basically, and I never say this, get good and HTFU.

Eh, I get worried about it. When I take my tank out I know that **** will kill me (I run a Glass Cannon fit most of the time for taking out installations and other vehicles), even a Militia Forge will cost me lots.

But yeah, I wouldn't say massively nerf it, just remove the fit. I probably shouldn't hijack other threads though :D

i get the need for a speedy installation killer you should try the madrugar with 180mm poly crystal plates and decent armor repair with the beta powergrid you can fit 2 jovians and nitrous in one of the high power slots toss some decent guns and whatever alternate highpower and you have a 7 k fast armor based tank ..btw that fitting leaves lots of room on the madrugar

also its cheaper than the caldari as the best armor is only like 50 or 60 k

Do not remove my MLT FG, if you manage to die against it, you most likely made a mistake. It's a threat against MLT stuff, nothing else, except the random infantry. STD tanks lol past me. And about militia stuff, have militia variants of all the weapons or none at all and last I checked, militia stuff is not free, dirty cheap but not free. Excluding starter fits.

not even their are assault suits that can eat the militia forge