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Dack Darksmith
Serenity Prime Kraken.
10
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:22:00 -
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I have been killed a few time recently by shotguns. It's really annoying because they just run up and shoot once and I die.
How do others deal with this? Obviously not letting them get close would be a start, but that is not always possible.
Thanks
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Doc Kok
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
74
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:28:00 -
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Be aware. Shoot them, don't miss.  |

Dack Darksmith
Serenity Prime Kraken.
10
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:35:00 -
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I tried running away. That didn't work out so well. |

Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:59:00 -
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Don't miss, check corners, and go for headshots. |

Treemugger
I mug trees.
34
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Posted - 2013.02.18 14:08:00 -
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Strafe while backing up and change movement directions about every two seconds.
Full time shotgun scout here and it's about 3x harder to hit someone when they are being a ballerina.
Also, try to run away when they're reloading and never chase one around a corner. |

Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.02.18 14:25:00 -
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It's mainly luck. The typical stuff with close-range fighting goes without saying -- strafe rapidly, don't ADS, etc -- but there's not much for it. Either you are able to spot them before they get close and instantly kill you, and hopefully enough of your shots register to kill them before they kill you in a few hits, or you don't. No great trick that I'm aware of.
That said, I believe the main issue with scouts is as it's always been: When they're moving rapidly, hit detection takes a nose dive. I believe that, once hit detection is straightened out, scouts will be far less of an issue. |

KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
442
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Posted - 2013.02.18 14:27:00 -
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Run directly at them, they'll never expect it and they'll go all googly eyes, like this: 
Or if you have a fused Locus nade, toss it in their general direction.... |

Kelshaw Xu
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
65
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Posted - 2013.02.18 14:30:00 -
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If you are an assault rifle guy, have a SMG as a side arm. When you get into close quarter areas use the SMG.. If you don't kill them then hope the SMG sound scares them. And then the SMG is better at point blank. |

Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.02.18 14:35:00 -
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If you're not taking fire from somewhere else, stay out in the open and keep your distance from the scout's cover. Stalemate until one of you gets impatient or backup arrives. |

Scoot Medic
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
50
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Posted - 2013.02.18 14:37:00 -
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Shoot them.....
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Kelshaw Xu
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
65
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Posted - 2013.02.18 14:38:00 -
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Scoot Medic wrote:Shoot them..... 
Nahh.. i give up i'll just Care Bear Stair  |

Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.02.18 14:39:00 -
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I typically throw a grenade at my feet an run. They then step on said grenade.
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DTOracle
Universal Allies Inc.
95
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Posted - 2013.02.18 14:54:00 -
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If you can see the scout coming, you have the advantage in most cases. Just walk backwards while strafing & if your a decent shot it shouldn't be to difficult to handle. The scouts only real advantage is stealth, & if you can improve your situational awareness (ie: checking your 6 often, not relying on your mini map, & if blue dots are vanishing, you might want to turn around ) we are pretty easy to take down. |

Sir Meode
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
317
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Posted - 2013.02.18 15:12:00 -
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Mass Driver you can kill them before they kill you. |

Shadowswipe
WarRavens
13
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Posted - 2013.02.18 15:30:00 -
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Kelshaw Xu wrote:Scoot Medic wrote:Shoot them.....  Nahh.. i give up i'll just Care Bear Stair 
I almost gave you +1... until I saw you used the wrong stare. So +1/2. |

Omnipotent lilmamaj
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
205
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Posted - 2013.02.18 15:36:00 -
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Try not playing the game... It's what I do. |

letsroll1234
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1
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Posted - 2013.02.18 15:44:00 -
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I say back up and let hell luse  |

falfen tyrendal
DUST University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.02.18 15:49:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Try not playing the game... It's what I do.
Pfffft, you know what's funny: You try to "not playing the game" and still whine about it in the forums...
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Citrutex
The High and Mighty
63
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Posted - 2013.02.18 15:55:00 -
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Dack Darksmith wrote:Obviously not letting them get close would be a start, but that is not always possible.
Jumping from the frying pan and into the fire may not be preferable, but it is always possible. |

The Lone Deranger
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:07:00 -
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Time your strafing right to make it as hard as possible to hit, be careful of changing directions when strafing since you slow down for a moment and it opens a window for the shotgunner to OHK you. |
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iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
282
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:14:00 -
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Kelshaw Xu wrote:If you are an assault rifle guy, have a SMG as a side arm. When you get into close quarter areas use the SMG.. If you don't kill them then hope the SMG sound scares them. And then the SMG is better at point blank.
SMG is the bane of my scout shotgun existance. In one on one verses a single guy there are three ways in which I die:
My shots don't register, yes that bug is still about and he has time to shoot me in the face.
The guy has a monster shield tank, giving him time to get over the initial shock of "suddenly shotgun" and track me.
The guy has an smg.
The scouts biggest strength it can one shot some types of player. Its biggest weakness is if it fails to one or two shot someone then your basically dead, giving your opponent type to lovelingly tea bag you while you lie bleeding on the ground. |

Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
169
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Posted - 2013.02.18 17:24:00 -
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Dack Darksmith wrote: I have been killed a few time recently by shotguns. It's really annoying because they just run up and shoot once and I die.
How do others deal with this? Obviously not letting them get close would be a start, but that is not always possible.
Thanks
Mass Drivers. |

Barnabas Wrex
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
147
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Posted - 2013.02.18 17:27:00 -
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Nova Knives! |

Protocake JR
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
22
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Posted - 2013.02.18 17:29:00 -
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I have a very good survival rate in 1v1s against shotgunners. The trick for me, is to stay really close to them while strafing back and forth while hip firing my Assault rifle. They usually end up missing all of their shots.
In most cases you do not want to move backwards, away from the gunner. I know it sounds like it would make sense to do that, but if you are already in the shotgunners kill zone, then when you sacrifice your side to side movements for forward and backward movements, you're making it easier for the shotgunner to get that one/two shot kill. (and it only takes a second). The only time it's acceptable to run backwards is if the shotgunner is at medium range, sprinting towards you with speed mods, and your not a good enough shot to kill him before he gets to you.
As for Scout suits specifically, you want to just always be moving. AT ALL TIMES. There is literally no reason you should be standing still, ever (unless you are head-glitching in the mountains). This is also a good way to make yourself a harder target for all enemies, including snipers. Even when you are hacking, you still have a bit of room to move in all directions sporadically. Most of the time, shotgunners (but mostly snipers) will miss their first shot, alerting you that someone snuck behind you. |

Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.02.18 17:33:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:My shots don't register, yes that bug is still about and he has time to shoot me in the face.
His shots aren't registering on you more than yours are on him. The reason you're successful half the time is because scout suits wreak havoc with hit detection for whatever dumb reason, and so you get far more survivability in a scout suit than you ought to otherwise have. |

iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
282
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Posted - 2013.02.18 17:53:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:iceyburnz wrote:My shots don't register, yes that bug is still about and he has time to shoot me in the face. His shots aren't registering on you more than yours are on him. The reason you're successful half the time is because scout suits wreak havoc with hit detection for whatever dumb reason, and so you get far more survivability in a scout suit than you ought to otherwise have.
Thats wierd because 80% of my kills are from behind or are jackel (preying on wounded or weak animals) kills. I almost never go face to face with people, its a sure way to die. There was one time where I killed a bunch of guys around a CRU but I just figured it was luck.
I had no idea scout suits are so difficult to hit. I killed plenty scouts as a scout. Maybe its because the class is rarer than assault and that odd hit detection bug is significantly more apparent on the Assault class due to comminality. |

IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
325
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Posted - 2013.02.18 17:58:00 -
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I usually melee them with a straight elbow to the jaw if they surprise me, this confuses them for some reason and they will try to Melee me back. Of course, I shoot them dead before they even get the chance. |

Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
92
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Posted - 2013.02.18 18:33:00 -
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i just shoot them with my smg. Sometimes i pretend to run away only to double back and jump up in their face. 90% of the time it'll take them by suprise and all of a sudden i have the advantage cuz toxin smg's rip through scouts |

SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2013.02.18 18:36:00 -
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Ever faced a frame rate counter player in Street Fighter? They're unbeatable and time everything perfectly. I do the same with shotguns - though it's hard if you don't know what type they're using. since most use militia it's *After first fire you have 2 seconds until next shot, just dodge then*
I am a shotgunners nightmare. |

Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.02.18 19:01:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Thats wierd because 80% of my kills are from behind or are jackel (preying on wounded or weak animals) kills. I almost never go face to face with people, its a sure way to die. There was one time where I killed a bunch of guys around a CRU but I just figured it was luck.
I had no idea scout suits are so difficult to hit. I killed plenty scouts as a scout. Maybe its because the class is rarer than assault and that odd hit detection bug is significantly more apparent on the Assault class due to comminality.
Yes, scout suits provoke the faulty hit detection more than any other suit. No, it doesn't make you unkillable. Yes, sometimes scouts die to guns despite CCP's best efforts. |
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crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.02.18 19:08:00 -
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if you level up hand ot hand combat you can one shot them with your fists, scouts have tiny hp |

Citrutex
The High and Mighty
63
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Posted - 2013.02.18 19:10:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:if you level up hand ot hand combat you can one shot them with your fists, scouts have tiny hp hand to hand is clearly OP. |

LittleCuteBunny
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
3
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Posted - 2013.02.18 19:42:00 -
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In God we trust, ceteris paribus the following are just some silly tactics:
a) You have a scout suit or assault suit with modules, just run until you gain ground advantage through a choke point, high ground or cover... turn around and kill it
b) You have an assault suit with no movement module, if you are close just remember that shot guns are short range so jump backwards in different patterns. If you are at mid range, the scout will try to get near so you must keep a distance thus maintaining your ground advantage. If you are covering an area and thus not planning to move, set a trap using grenades and heavy fire to lure the shot gunner into an area you can handle or an area where you have remote explosives set and ready.
c) You have a Heavy suit, you are not very fast so find an open field or achoke point if you have already spotted him at distance. If its near dont stand still and movebackwards as you shoot your op HMG.
d) If you have a laser you should be staying in high grounds or open areas where you can take advantage. MD is op so abuse the expansive effect
e) If you are a so scared you can quit the game, call an lav and ram him up, call a tank, call a dropship and stomp it against him, snipe from a high mountainin the red line, sell you ps3, smah your controller against the wall, sell your account on
There are a lot of ways aside from the ones mentioned above. |

SkIlL Sh0oTeR
The Exemplars
50
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Posted - 2013.02.18 19:53:00 -
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Fused Locus Nades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |

Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.02.18 20:02:00 -
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SkIlL Sh0oTeR wrote:Fused Locus Nades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Probably the best option, yeah. |

Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:11:00 -
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I have read the correct answer twice in this thread and each got a +1.
Answer: Mass Driver
The only time I die by a shotgun scout is the odd times they are able to sneak up or I'm hacking
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Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:24:00 -
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Belzeebub Santana wrote:I have read the correct answer twice in this thread and each got a +1.
Answer: Mass Driver
The only time I die by a shotgun scout is the odd times they are able to sneak up or I'm hacking
A weapon that is not very good against basically every other form of infantry in the game is pretty hilarious as "the answer" to shotgun scouts. |

The Lone Deranger
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:26:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Belzeebub Santana wrote:I have read the correct answer twice in this thread and each got a +1.
Answer: Mass Driver
The only time I die by a shotgun scout is the odd times they are able to sneak up or I'm hacking A weapon that is not very good against basically every other form of infantry in the game is pretty hilarious as "the answer" to shotgun scouts. Is there a "Mass Driver" in some other game that your talking about? |

Alcatraz Thorne
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:46:00 -
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Shoot it? Melee it?! Launch an orbital strike at it?!?! |

Enderr Wigginn
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
57
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:58:00 -
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Get good at identifying them and never let them get close. Also running in large groups discourages them/me. I personally back pedal while shooting and will bunny hop if they are to close. If they stealth you from behind you just die. |
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Delirium Inferno
Chernova Industries
34
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:10:00 -
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Scrambler Scout > Shotgun Scout. While playing as this fit I've came across several shotgun scouts and never once have they beat me. We move at the same speed but my weapon has more range and deals similar damage if you actually aim.
Not sure why people go with the shotgun scout except for perhaps not wanting to aim or just wanting to recreate the TF2 classes (seriously, every TF2 class is well represented in Dust). If you miss with the scrambler you are at least at a safe distance to retreat. If you somehow miss with the shotgun you are SOL. |

Denak Kalamari
CrimeWave Syndicate
80
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:16:00 -
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As a dedicated shotgun scout, here's a list of tips for countering us:
1. Never look behind yourself 2. Walk alone 3. Ignore your minimap 4. Stand completely still when a shotgun scout is shooting you 5. Charge towards them for a melee kill 6. Chase them around corners 7. Spam grenades and Mass Driver rounds directly at your feet 8. Commit suicide and ragequit the match
I hope you found these tips useful on finding yourself de- I mean better prepared for fignting shotgun scouts.*
-Squid
* = Doing the exact opposite of these tips is adviseable. |

Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2013.02.18 23:50:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Belzeebub Santana wrote:I have read the correct answer twice in this thread and each got a +1.
Answer: Mass Driver
The only time I die by a shotgun scout is the odd times they are able to sneak up or I'm hacking A weapon that is not very good against basically every other form of infantry in the game is pretty hilarious as "the answer" to shotgun scouts.
Lol, wut? Are you telling me that MDs are not effective against other forms of infantry? What game you playing? Not only are MDs effective versus any type of infantry it also takes out LAVs. Paired with his best friend Mr. Flux nade, he makes mercs go boom!
I guess I'm doing it wrong, but aren't the fused locus nades merc pack items only? So you are saying the best option is to fork out cash to kill shotie scouts? Sorry sir but I disagree and so does my MD. |

SquaggaTCT
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2013.02.19 00:01:00 -
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I scream ghost and run backwards in circles wildly firing my ar until they're dead ... wait .. thats for scouts with nova knives .. wtf do i do when someone has a shotgun? |

Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
411
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Posted - 2013.02.19 00:03:00 -
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I find that the best course of action is to shoot them. |

Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.02.19 18:39:00 -
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Belzeebub Santana wrote:Lol, wut? Are you telling me that MDs are not effective against other forms of infantry? What game you playing? Not only are MDs effective versus any type of infantry it also takes out LAVs. Paired with his best friend Mr. Flux nade, he makes mercs go boom!
I guess I'm doing it wrong, but aren't the fused locus nades merc pack items only? So you are saying the best option is to fork out cash to kill shotie scouts? Sorry sir but I disagree and so does my MD.
I'm playing the game where every time I've fought someone using a mass driver I've killed them without a problem. You're suggesting people use a weapon that'll disadvantage them against people using ARs, all to make them less vulnerable to scouts with shotguns. It's ridiculous. The terrible advice in this thread is truly remarkable. |

Denak Kalamari
CrimeWave Syndicate
80
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Posted - 2013.02.19 19:21:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:I am a random scrub who has never used a Mass Driver and does not know it's true purpose or use. Since I have only played instant and mercenary battles, no one with a Mass Driver has killed me yet, therefore I conclude it is a horrible weapon and everyone using it is shooting themselves to the leg. My opinion is also a universally appliable fact and should never be questioned, hurr durr.
FTFY. |

Belzeebub Santana
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
409
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Posted - 2013.02.19 19:23:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Belzeebub Santana wrote:Lol, wut? Are you telling me that MDs are not effective against other forms of infantry? What game you playing? Not only are MDs effective versus any type of infantry it also takes out LAVs. Paired with his best friend Mr. Flux nade, he makes mercs go boom!
I guess I'm doing it wrong, but aren't the fused locus nades merc pack items only? So you are saying the best option is to fork out cash to kill shotie scouts? Sorry sir but I disagree and so does my MD. I'm playing the game where every time I've fought someone using a mass driver I've killed them without a problem. You're suggesting people use a weapon that'll disadvantage them against people using ARs, all to make them less vulnerable to scouts with shotguns. It's ridiculous. The terrible advice in this thread is truly remarkable.
This topic was the best way to kill a shortie scout and MD is by far the best answer. Scouts have very little eHP and are easily taken out, now as the rest of the games classes once you get rid of their shields, armor just melts away.
You put your own bias perspective on it, there are counters to every class you use. As a MD user only, I can tell you that it is a very effective weapon versus any class and I can easily kill any suit once my flux rips their shields off if they are shield tanked.
MD is not an easy weapon to master, not point and click like AR, and can see why they are easy to kill if you are not skilled into them.
I will look for you on the BF to try to change your opinion on us noob tubers. |

Fornacis Fairchild
Kat 5 Kaos
25
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Posted - 2013.02.19 19:26:00 -
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Do the Tango with a Mass Driver......if he's so close that you can whisper in his ear shoot yourself in the feet....take that B with you. |

Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2013.02.19 19:40:00 -
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Belzeebub Santana wrote:This topic was the best way to kill a shortie scout and MD is by far the best answer.
If the OP was looking to switch into any possible other fitting such that his only priority is killing scouts with shotguns, then mass driver is not the best way. Missile tank or blaster tank is the best. So sure, OP, just start driving tanks non-stop and you'll never be killed by a shotgun again. Or play as a sniper and just shoot scouts from 300 m away (several times until hit detection works and they die). The OP didn't give the impression he wanted to change his entire playstyle to fight scouts, but rather than he was looking for tips on dealing with scouts as someone who plays the game with whichever kind of infantry setup.
And to that end, as mentioned, grenades are probably the best answer, because most people carry those anyway irrespective of the weapon they're using.
Denak Kalamari wrote:FTFY.
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