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XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.18 12:57:00 -
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Does anybody know if there is any kind of future idea in the works making Scout relevant in this game? Perhaps more jumps for gun fighting? (It still wouldn't be a big deal or any kind of great advantage) Any other ideas that aren't far fetched to make Scouts relevant? |
Doc Kok
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:01:00 -
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Scouts are relevant, he's called Sleepy Zan. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:02:00 -
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Doc Kok wrote:Scouts are relevant, he's called Sleepy Zan.
So Scouts are only good at being Gayar Snipacus? |
Imp Smash
On The Brink
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:04:00 -
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I have seen some super speed focused scout suits. So damn fast it's almost impossible to hit them as they rush you with a shotgun. I think scout suits have been getting a bad wrap lately. |
The Black Art
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:05:00 -
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Wasn't it mentioned in that dropsuit leak that a future scout suit will have a built in damage mod? |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:06:00 -
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The Black Art wrote:Wasn't it mentioned in that dropsuit leak that a future scout suit will have a built in damage mod?
Hmm if that is true could be interesting.
As for the super speed Scout using shotgun, that's just noob tactics. |
Nidhogg Valkyrian
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:09:00 -
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well they DID mention STEALTH modules coming. As if Snipers arent tricky enough as is lol.
I kinda like where they are going with the dropsuits. not sure if this is something already implemented or might be,but the idea of suits having a bigger or smaller scan profile depending on their type or equipment might be good. A high power suit like a heavy or a Logi packed full of electronics might give off a bigger signature than a Scout set up for infiltration.This way scouts might eventually turn out to become lightning fast and very tricky to detect. When they DO get hit,it does hurt BADLY. |
Kelshaw Xu
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:10:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Doc Kok wrote:Scouts are relevant, he's called Sleepy Zan. So Scouts are only good at being Gayar Snipacus?
lol...
sorry Zan.. As many times i have died to your shotgun I had to laugh.
Scouts have the advantage of lower profile.. If the dropsuit is fit right they can be next to you and never show up on your mini map (AKA TacNet) this is why most of us have been blind sided by scouts. Not only that, they also have more speed to dance. Heavy, Assault, and Logistic will always cry foul when killed by scout.
Only major drawback to scout suit is, if ya can't dance then die... |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:13:00 -
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Kelshaw Xu wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Doc Kok wrote:Scouts are relevant, he's called Sleepy Zan. So Scouts are only good at being Gayar Snipacus? lol... sorry Zan.. As many times i have died to your shotgun I had to laugh. Scouts have the advantage of lower profile.. If the dropsuit is fit right they can be next to you and never show up on your mini map (AKA TacNet) this is why most of us have been blind sided by scouts. Not only that, they also have more speed to dance. Heavy, Assault, and Logistic will always cry foul when killed by scout. Only major drawback to scout suit is, if ya can't dance then die...
I am pretty good at dancing but let's say you clone the best gun fighter in Dust514 one being Assault one being Scout with equal aim,dancing, and overall skill. I would say it's 7-10 in favor of Assault. Using ARs of course not adding in MD or Shotty speed element. |
Kelshaw Xu
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
65
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:15:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Kelshaw Xu wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Doc Kok wrote:Scouts are relevant, he's called Sleepy Zan. So Scouts are only good at being Gayar Snipacus? lol... sorry Zan.. As many times i have died to your shotgun I had to laugh. Scouts have the advantage of lower profile.. If the dropsuit is fit right they can be next to you and never show up on your mini map (AKA TacNet) this is why most of us have been blind sided by scouts. Not only that, they also have more speed to dance. Heavy, Assault, and Logistic will always cry foul when killed by scout. Only major drawback to scout suit is, if ya can't dance then die... I am pretty good at dancing but let's say you clone the best gun fighter in Dust514 one being Assault one being Scout with equal aim,dancing, and overall skill. I would say it's 7-10 in favor of Assault. Using ARs of course not adding in MD or Shotty speed element.
Depends? Is the assault, armor buffed? -3% to -5% movement. that is viable.. |
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XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:21:00 -
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Kelshaw Xu wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Kelshaw Xu wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Doc Kok wrote:Scouts are relevant, he's called Sleepy Zan. So Scouts are only good at being Gayar Snipacus? lol... sorry Zan.. As many times i have died to your shotgun I had to laugh. Scouts have the advantage of lower profile.. If the dropsuit is fit right they can be next to you and never show up on your mini map (AKA TacNet) this is why most of us have been blind sided by scouts. Not only that, they also have more speed to dance. Heavy, Assault, and Logistic will always cry foul when killed by scout. Only major drawback to scout suit is, if ya can't dance then die... I am pretty good at dancing but let's say you clone the best gun fighter in Dust514 one being Assault one being Scout with equal aim,dancing, and overall skill. I would say it's 7-10 in favor of Assault. Using ARs of course not adding in MD or Shotty speed element. Depends? Is the assault, armor buffed? -3% to -5% movement. that is viable..
Lol, no idea. I can only give back so much on conversation as I am still a little over a month old in this game. I went Scout for speed but the speed doesn't really help that much in a gun fight. I mean it does against somebody not wearing Proto and using Killswitch or Duvolle. |
Kelshaw Xu
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
65
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:32:00 -
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Scout is great at blind sighting you. They show less profile with dampaners, have a very fast shield regen. So if a scout has a shotgun he can ruin your day and get out of the line of fire before his victims friends can tell whats going on.
On the other side of the coin, if you can catch him at medium range with an assault suit. The target scout can be in trouble, many scouts have died trying to close range to an assault. Only the good ones know when to close distance.
These are my observations as an assault class, I don't dance so those friends have left me behind. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:37:00 -
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Kelshaw Xu wrote:Scout is great at blind sighting you. They show less profile with dampaners, have a very fast shield regen. So if a scout has a shotgun he can ruin your day and get out of the line of fire before his victims friends can tell whats going on. On the other side of the coin, if you can catch him at medium range with an assault suit. The target scout can be in trouble, many scouts have died trying to close range to an assault. Only the good ones know when to close distance. These are my observations as an assault class, I don't dance so those friends have left me behind.
Ah It's useful stuff, you are definitely bringing some good stuff to topic so far hopefully more players can keep up and we can get to bottom of the question. That question being what exactly is a Scout for?
I see Assault as Defender/Attacker (Balanced warrior) Heavy as a tank/battering ram Logi as a equipment expert( be it medic engineer or nano/uplink expert) I really can't think what is so special about a Scout though. What real purpose do they serve to make them really relevant.
Surely Scout isn't just a Shotgun expert with their speed cause realistically any class can be a shotgun expert it does great dmg they just wouldn't have the slight speed upgrade. |
Ion Crush
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:38:00 -
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On my scout I like to use a Tactical Assault Rifle to keep my distance and run around placing remote explosives and proximity explosives. |
Kelshaw Xu
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:42:00 -
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The scout suit is also has a better Scan.. many of the Red dots you see at long distance is because of scout suit, scan range, and signature analysis.
My rage as an assault is pitiful.. i can only see what i point my gun at. but a scout with the correct mods in that roll can see more red than I.
And that info is displayed to the TacNet. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:43:00 -
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Ion Crush wrote:On my scout I like to use a Tactical Assault Rifle to keep my distance and run around placing remote explosives and proximity explosives.
I like this idea, but couldn't anybody do it? The only thing great about the Scout doing it is the slight speed upgrade but couldn't a Heavy Assault or Logi do this as well - the speed to get around?
I also hear the whole dampener thing making them a ghost on the scanner but couldn't a Assault, Heavy, and Logi do the same? Scouts CAN'T be tanks, Scouts CAN'T be battering rams (Scouts could prob carry lots of equipment and be a medic but it would be a pretty soft medic a few shots they down) So playing logi role on a Scout might not be effective. Assault is balanced so Scout could play their role that's basically what I do now. Only a good Assault would do what I do better. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:49:00 -
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I am gonna head to bed but it would be cool if the conversation kept going. If anybody wants to drop in with 2 cents about Scouts and where they are strong at as far as purpose on the battlefield of Dust please feel free.
If everybody feels the conversation is done and not much more that can be added I understand. Hope to see more opinions and information on Scouts! |
Kelshaw Xu
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
65
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:50:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Ion Crush wrote:On my scout I like to use a Tactical Assault Rifle to keep my distance and run around placing remote explosives and proximity explosives. I like this idea, but couldn't anybody do it? The only thing great about the Scout doing it is the slight speed upgrade but couldn't a Heavy Assault or Logi do this as well - the speed to get around? I also hear the whole dampener thing making them a ghost on the scanner but couldn't a Assault, Heavy, and Logi do the same? Scouts CAN'T be tanks, Scouts CAN'T be battering rams (Scouts could prob carry lots of equipment and be a medic but it would be a pretty soft medic a few shots they down) So playing logi role on a Scout might not be effective. Assault is balanced so Scout could play their role that's basically what I do now. Only a good Assault would do what I do better.
Scouts are quick tanks.. the shield regen is nearly instant. (Scout gets shot and takes cover... Scout has full shield sooner than any other dropsuit) many scouts use cover first over direct fights.
The dampener helps them blind sight you, as you are unable to see them in the mini map. The better scout player is always hard to kill.. The poor scout player, plays like an assault.
And no a heavy can't lay a Remote Explosive. Heavy does not have an equipment slot. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
30
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:52:00 -
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Kelshaw Xu wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Ion Crush wrote:On my scout I like to use a Tactical Assault Rifle to keep my distance and run around placing remote explosives and proximity explosives. I like this idea, but couldn't anybody do it? The only thing great about the Scout doing it is the slight speed upgrade but couldn't a Heavy Assault or Logi do this as well - the speed to get around? I also hear the whole dampener thing making them a ghost on the scanner but couldn't a Assault, Heavy, and Logi do the same? Scouts CAN'T be tanks, Scouts CAN'T be battering rams (Scouts could prob carry lots of equipment and be a medic but it would be a pretty soft medic a few shots they down) So playing logi role on a Scout might not be effective. Assault is balanced so Scout could play their role that's basically what I do now. Only a good Assault would do what I do better. Scouts are quick tanks.. the shield regen is nearly instant. (Scout gets shot and takes cover... Scout has full shield sooner than any other dropsuit) many scouts use cover first over direct fights. The dampener helps them blind sight you, as you are unable to see them in the mini map. The better scout player is always hard to kill.. The poor scout player, plays like an assault. And no a heavy can't lay a Remote Explosive. Heavy does not have an equipment slot.
Ah ok , thanks for the information on Heavy and poor scout player to better scout player. Learn something new everyday :) |
Kelshaw Xu
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:56:00 -
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You're a PFBH... talk to Orin.. he knows all about scouts. And if he don't he knows several who does.
CHEERS!
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DTOracle
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:59:00 -
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Besides the obvious speed, & shield regen advantage. IMO, the best advantage a scout has is lower sig, & better profile analyst. A five point difference may not seem like much, but with skill bonus' even without mods I can see a good amount of enemy players within 15-20m on my mini map. & with mods I've located multiple squads with no LOS within 30m. & i'm not even at ADV lvl with my skills yet. |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2013.02.18 14:03:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:The Black Art wrote:Wasn't it mentioned in that dropsuit leak that a future scout suit will have a built in damage mod? Hmm if that is true could be interesting. As for the super speed Scout using shotgun, that's just noob tactics. Tell me where the shotty scout freightrained you |
Kelshaw Xu
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
65
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Posted - 2013.02.18 14:09:00 -
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:The Black Art wrote:Wasn't it mentioned in that dropsuit leak that a future scout suit will have a built in damage mod? Hmm if that is true could be interesting. As for the super speed Scout using shotgun, that's just noob tactics. Tell me where the shotty scout freightrained you
I turn a 180 deg. evry time my nephew kicks a dodgeball! |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:33:00 -
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Thanks for the read guys. Orin is a Assault, I don't know if he knows much about Scout, I'll ask him though. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:55:00 -
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The only scouts that can get up to me without me noticing are the good scouts, the bad ones try to be an assault suit with less health & Die in a straight line of fire. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.19 11:05:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:The only scouts that can get up to me without me noticing are the good scouts, the bad ones try to be an assault suit with less health & Die in a straight line of fire.
I run straight at people! Lol! I guess it just depends on the situation TBH. I rush into people and sometimes go the long way around to sneak up and steal CRU or whatnot. |
Delirium Inferno
Chernova Industries
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Posted - 2013.02.19 11:14:00 -
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I have a standard scout suit I've been using a lot that I equipped with the Tactical Assault Rifle, Assault Scrambler, and standard profile dampening and scan accuracy. It's been quite fun. Whenever I'm running around I have my scrambler out since it can take targets out fast, whenever I see a group of targets I keep my distance and try to lure them out one by one with the tactical AR. One of the great things about scout that can't be stated enough is the speed. A lot of people are suggesting using the speed to strafe and jump during fights, but it's much more than that. You can go the long way around in the same time an assault would take to go straight forward, which combined with profile dampening makes flanking very easy.
Also if you ever need to retreat not only can you run faster but the increased jump height allows you to take routes that no one else can. And yes there are several gaps to jump across out there, you just have to know what to look for. I tried attempting these jumps with an assault later and had no luck. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.19 11:18:00 -
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Delirium Inferno wrote:I have a standard scout suit I've been using a lot that I equipped with the Tactical Assault Rifle, Assault Scrambler, and standard profile dampening and scan accuracy. It's been quite fun. Whenever I'm running around I have my scrambler out since it can take targets out fast, whenever I see a group of targets I keep my distance and try to lure them out one by one with the tactical AR. One of the great things about scout that can't be stated enough is the speed. A lot of people are suggesting using the speed to strafe and jump during fights, but it's much more than that. You can go the long way around in the same time an assault would take to go straight forward, which combined with profile dampening makes flanking very easy.
Also if you ever need to retreat not only can you run faster but the increased jump height allows you to take routes that no one else can. And yes there are several gaps to jump across out there, you just have to know what to look for. I tried attempting these jumps with an assault later and had no luck.
Hmm, I like the information you have given. Thanks! ONLY thing I am not fond of is using the actual dampener thing. I don't know why but I just don't wanna carry it, lol. I used the little cloak thingy on MAG but on my Scout I feel I can use better things like armor Repair and something else just not sure how I feel about dampener tool. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
72
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Posted - 2013.02.19 11:21:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:The only scouts that can get up to me without me noticing are the good scouts, the bad ones try to be an assault suit with less health & Die in a straight line of fire. I run straight at people! Lol! I guess it just depends on the situation TBH. I rush into people and sometimes go the long way around to sneak up and steal CRU or whatnot.
Well i suppose, if you run in a straight line behind me, i wont notice :p the smaller profile really helps the scout get close enough sometimes, i know i go "OOOHHH SH*T SHOTGGGUUUUNNNNN NOOOOOOoooOOO" ...well sh*t sh*t F*ck....
Press X to Deploy
Sh*t....
But yeah, if i see you at medium range and yer not zig zagging like a madman, then i can tell you your future without a crystal ball....i see ....i see a Clone ...that looks just like you exciting a CRU :p |
Delirium Inferno
Chernova Industries
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Posted - 2013.02.19 11:21:00 -
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I usually put an armor repair on all my suits but it is next to useless on a scout. First off you only have what? About 90 armor? And as a scout your main goal is to put yourself in situations where you can pull off the kill before the enemy can react. Also should you ever get low on armor you are fast enough to get to any supply depot on the map in a matter of seconds. |
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