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CCP Nullarbor
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.17 12:05:00 -
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Hi All-
Just a heads up we will be doing some tweaks to the matchmaking for Instant Battles today but only for the US and Asia. This is part of an ongoing data collection exercise that we are doing during the beta in order to determine how we can best place players into fair and competitive matches appropriate for their skill level.
Part of today's experiment will introduce longer wait times for "Searching For Battle" when joining the Instant Battles so you may need to be a little more patient than usual.
If you have any feedback or experience any problems, let me know. |
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Doc Kok
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.17 12:06:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:Hi All-
Just a heads up we will be doing some tweaks to the matchmaking for Instant Battles today but only for the US and Asia. This is part of an ongoing data collection exercise that we are doing during the beta in order to determine how we can best place players into fair and competitive matches appropriate for their skill level.
Part of today's experiment will introduce longer wait times for "Searching For Battle" when joining the Instant Battles so you may need to be a little more patient than usual.
If you have any feedback or experience any problems, let me know.
Finally, Hopefully I can get some real competition now.. |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming
154
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Posted - 2013.02.17 12:13:00 -
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Skill as in SP or skill as in K/D and W/L etc? Or will it be a blend of both? |
XxXGevatter TodXxX
Blauhelme
Blinky Red Brotherhood
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Posted - 2013.02.17 12:21:00 -
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I can-¦t find any battle since DT, and i-¦m from EU. |
G Torq
ALTA B2O
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Posted - 2013.02.17 12:26:00 -
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Kleanur Guy wrote:Skill as in SP or skill as in K/D and W/L etc? Or will it be a blend of both?
Since they are primarily collecting data, plausibly a bit of every strategy requested is, is being applied - step by step.
Patience ... hummm.... |
Ling Jirachi
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 12:28:00 -
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Awesome! It'll be fairer to the newbies, more challenge for the experienced (and less frustrating than getting matched with newbies too often)
Agree with Kleanur though - curious on how the matchmaking is decided. |
XxXGevatter TodXxX
Blauhelme
Blinky Red Brotherhood
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Posted - 2013.02.17 12:33:00 -
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With an new Char i find battles instantly, but with the trained Char i can-¦t find anything.
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.02.17 12:35:00 -
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XxXGevatter TodXxX wrote:With an new Char i find battles instantly, but with the trained Char i can-¦t find anything.
And how is your new experience going? Do you play with the same new players as your alt?
I have yet to rest the matchmaking myself, but it seems promising. |
XxXGevatter TodXxX
Blauhelme
Blinky Red Brotherhood
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Posted - 2013.02.17 12:40:00 -
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I just test to find a battle, i exit the match as it works.
I won-¦t to play with the Main-Char. |
Anndy Dust
On The Brink
0
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Posted - 2013.02.17 12:41:00 -
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seems the same to me, still a bunch of idiots running around doing nothing and tons of 1 man squads so no chance of orbitals, seriously need to fix this 1 man squad crap |
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XxXGevatter TodXxX
Blauhelme
Blinky Red Brotherhood
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Posted - 2013.02.17 12:42:00 -
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It works now :) |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.17 12:55:00 -
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Looking forward to fairer fights in the EU.
Nice to see the feedback havinbg an effect. |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming
154
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Posted - 2013.02.17 13:04:00 -
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XxXGevatter TodXxX wrote:With an new Char i find battles instantly, but with the trained Char i can-¦t find anything.
I'm on a fairly new char SP wise, and I get in to games really fast as well. |
Ling Jirachi
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 13:14:00 -
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While matching based on SP probably works for general experience, unfortunately it doesn't necessarily mean the player knows how to skill themselves properly. Could explain why some people are still complaining about people who act like newbies? |
Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
334
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Posted - 2013.02.17 13:18:00 -
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Will try with my 4,000,000+ SP main, and update with progress. |
Caliban Xpresscius
Jump Out Boys
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Posted - 2013.02.17 13:25:00 -
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Ling Jirachi wrote:While matching based on SP probably works for general experience, unfortunately it doesn't necessarily mean the player knows how to skill themselves properly. Could explain why some people are still complaining about people who act like newbies?
In some ways I wonder if those that are acting like and/or play like newbies, are some of the people who are skilled at FPS games, but don't truly understand that this experience for themselves and squadmates would be better if they played more tactical and team based?!!?
I know guys who are good at these games but catch on to Dust because they find it too complex and just want that "fun & gun" type of experience. To each his own I guess |
S Park Finner
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.02.17 14:36:00 -
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I'd be interested in knowing how CCP will decide what successful matchmaking _is_.
User complaints probably won't do it. Somebody has a few bad games and needs something to blame -- "must be match making".
Flattening of the spread of kills and deaths among players? The different roles have different base Ks and Ds -- A logi isn't expected to have as many as a heavy. What's more, ongoing balancing issues complicate the evaluation.
Flattening the spread of skill points? Same issues as kills and deaths except that the SP for the various rolls may also not be representative of good match making.
A reduced instance of red lining in Skirmish? If so, is the test of good match making in Ambush different from Skirmish?
So, CCP, how will you decide that matchmaking works?
And PLAYERS, what does good match making mean -- in terms CCP can measure -- to you? |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming
154
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Posted - 2013.02.17 14:41:00 -
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I think there should be a 'casual' que and then a 'veteran que'. But how do you get the vets out of pubstomping noobs. For most games this is the ranked que, in dust this could hold higher rewards and could only be accessible once above x SP. Only reason why people play this que in other games is either for the 'shiny new rating', or for a challenge which sometimes isn't always the case. |
Talruum Tezztarozza
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.17 15:03:00 -
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S Park Finner wrote:So, CCP, how will you decide that matchmaking works?
And PLAYERS, what does good match making mean -- in terms CCP can measure -- to you?
Interesting point, I would love to know how CCP handle it as well.
For me, I would say the very first condition for successful match making would be seperate new character from matured character. By new character, I would say any character with less than 2 millions SP. Any charact with more than 2 millions(or perhap 3 mil) SP should already finish speccing into his first role, thus there wouldn't be much different between each characters beyond this. For veteran match making, I don't know what will be good method. KDR ? WLR ? WP/m ? That will be left to be seen.
As for now, I am happy as long as there are equal amount of similar SP players on both team, although that 4mil SP character may still act like a n00b. We are still in Beta. We may not have enough active player to completely seperate new players from veteran players.
TL: DR Balancing team by character SP should be good enough for now. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.02.17 15:12:00 -
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Looking forward to providing feedback. |
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Monty Mole Clone
The c64s
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Posted - 2013.02.17 15:25:00 -
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what happend to the honour system? |
Tanis leinad
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.17 18:12:00 -
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Hey Guys,
I've been trying to search for instant battles for the past 2 hours...takes forever and then comes back with No Battles found.
I'm in CAN, not sure if that has anything to do with it...
I just started playing today so not sure if i'm doing something wrong or if its the backend...
Please let me know if anyone has any ideas...thanks |
w0jo
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2013.02.17 18:22:00 -
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Well i'm in US East Coast if that matters, and well I can't find a battle tried resetting system. Doesn't work if anyone has any ideas please send them this way. it'd help loads.s |
Tanis leinad
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.17 18:24:00 -
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w0jo wrote:Well i'm in US East Coast if that matters, and well I can't find a battle tried resetting system. Doesn't work if anyone has any ideas please send them this way. it'd help loads.s
I'm in eastern CAN and have the same issue... well no instant Ambush or OMS although was able to get to Ambush OMS |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.02.17 18:54:00 -
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this matchmaking blows
fix it
taking too long to find a game
20mins is bs |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.17 18:57:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:this matchmaking blows
fix it
taking too long to find a game
20mins is bs
You were warned. Here is one time the itsabeta really is the answer to your difficulties. You signed up to be a test subject. Enjoy the wait!
SIde effects include anger, frustration, difficulty sitting still, and some reported symptoms of forum postitis... |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.17 19:03:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:this matchmaking blows
fix it
taking too long to find a game
20mins is bs
So now finding a battle is like opening the contact list? |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2013.02.17 19:06:00 -
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I've been in two matches so far. Currently have ~2.7 million sp, ~ 1.9 kdr, ~1.6 wlr and earn about 10,000 sp per match.
First match was lone wolf in Skirmish - first attempt got the 'No battles found' timeout message. Got a battle second attempt, and loaded into the warbarge. It was a good match, teams seemed evenly balanced, hard fought all the way through by both sides, great entertainment value. Really had to focus, I could 'feel' the stiffer competition.
Second match my squad leader was one of the elite players, he had not been able to find a match solo, but we squadded up and got a match on our first attempt. Another good match with stiffer competition and smarter players.
I'm speculating that the better players may find it easier to get into a match if they look for lower-tier squadmates.
atm this is looking good to me - don't mind the increased wait if it means much better matches and loading in at the beginning of the match. For my stats, which are somewhere in the middle of the pack, the match making seems ok.
The real test will be when we have fewer players online during the working week.
P.S. for the Canucks above having trouble finding a match, i'm in Toronto. |
ImperfectFan514
IMPSwarm
Negative-Feedback
51
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Posted - 2013.02.17 19:06:00 -
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Matchmaking is BS anyways just bring back the old server list and let people pick where they play. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2013.02.17 19:09:00 -
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ImperfectFan514 wrote:Matchmaking is BS anyways just bring back the old server list and let people pick where they play.
People will find equal level competition naturally. Instant battle should be a very low priority to player set-up fights. |
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