Bro needs a new mic.

The entire cast sounds like he's hissing.

Bro needs a new mic.

The entire cast sounds like he's hissing.

So you're saying you DON'T want someone who has the knowledge of the average DUST player to represent us?

http://audio.crossingzebras.com/Files/CSM8%20Election%20Interviews_%20Hunter%20Blake.mp3

(Interview starts after the music.)

According to him, your opinion doesn't matter. Only his.

Those of you who don't want to listen...

A short list of things that makes him horrible....

• Is not an expert in any one field in eve online or dust 514.
• Doesn't remember that 'platform' running is nearly useless in CSM.
• Used the word End Game, Eve online doesn't have it, nether should Dust 514.
• Thinks Null Sec is one of Dust 514's largest problems.
• Thinks you can force players to fight each other.
• Wants to train wreck the integration between the two games before either game is ready for it.
• Thinks half of you are going to vote for him
• Thinks you all can vote for him (requires a eve online paying account to vote)
• Wants Walking in Stations Fiasco again... (this nearly caused 10% of eve to quit for good long story short bad expansion)
• Is not up to date on Dust 514's biggest problems
• Is not up to date on the up and coming features of Dust 514.
• Ultra Low Clout Level... Does not socialize at all.
• Does not understand nor has done any time on patrol in Eve Online causes Intel nets.
• Steals other people's ideas... Particularly the community's compromise of using dusters to capture stations.
• Doesn't understand the value of having two separate representatives being healthy for either game as dust 514 players would have lesser ideas on how to fix eve online problems and vice versa.

Mind you the list is short and I trimmed quite a few eve side things out.

Combined with his previous postings at nearly 100% CSM involved/revolved posts it basically means its a fashion show for this super evetard who I hate to say it barely understands EITHER game as it was made painfully obvious from his interview about the eve side problems.

If flying to iceland was not a problem for me (it is thanks alot college...) I would so run in a heart beat and steam roll this guy.

http://audio.crossingzebras.com/Files/CSM8%20Election%20Interviews_%20Hunter%20Blake.mp3

(Interview starts after the music.)

According to him, your opinion doesn't matter. Only his.

Those of you who don't want to listen...

A short list of things that makes him horrible....

• Is not an expert in any one field in eve online or dust 514.
• Doesn't remember that 'platform' running is nearly useless in CSM.
• Used the word End Game, Eve online doesn't have it, nether should Dust 514.
• Thinks Null Sec is one of Dust 514's largest problems.
• Thinks you can force players to fight each other.
• Wants to train wreck the integration between the two games before either game is ready for it.
• Thinks half of you are going to vote for him
• Thinks you all can vote for him (requires a eve online paying account to vote)
• Wants Walking in Stations Fiasco again... (this nearly caused 10% of eve to quit for good long story short bad expansion)
• Is not up to date on Dust 514's biggest problems
• Is not up to date on the up and coming features of Dust 514.
• Ultra Low Clout Level... Does not socialize at all.
• Does not understand nor has done any time on patrol in Eve Online causes Intel nets.
• Steals other people's ideas... Particularly the community's compromise of using dusters to capture stations.
• Doesn't understand the value of having two separate representatives being healthy for either game as dust 514 players would have lesser ideas on how to fix eve online problems and vice versa.

Mind you the list is short and I trimmed quite a few eve side things out.

Combined with his previous postings at nearly 100% CSM involved/revolved posts it basically means its a fashion show for this super evetard who I hate to say it barely understands EITHER game as it was made painfully obvious from his interview about the eve side problems.

If flying to iceland was not a problem for me (it is thanks alot college...) I would so run in a heart beat and steam roll this guy.

http://audio.crossingzebras.com/Files/CSM8%20Election%20Interviews_%20Hunter%20Blake.mp3

(Interview starts after the music.)

According to him, your opinion doesn't matter. Only his.

Those of you who don't want to listen...

A short list of things that makes him horrible....

• Is not an expert in any one field in eve online or dust 514.
• Doesn't remember that 'platform' running is nearly useless in CSM.
• Used the word End Game, Eve online doesn't have it, nether should Dust 514.
• Thinks Null Sec is one of Dust 514's largest problems.
• Thinks you can force players to fight each other.
• Wants to train wreck the integration between the two games before either game is ready for it.
• Thinks half of you are going to vote for him
• Thinks you all can vote for him (requires a eve online paying account to vote)
• Wants Walking in Stations Fiasco again... (this nearly caused 10% of eve to quit for good long story short bad expansion)
• Is not up to date on Dust 514's biggest problems
• Is not up to date on the up and coming features of Dust 514.
• Ultra Low Clout Level... Does not socialize at all.
• Does not understand nor has done any time on patrol in Eve Online causes Intel nets.
• Steals other people's ideas... Particularly the community's compromise of using dusters to capture stations.
• Doesn't understand the value of having two separate representatives being healthy for either game as dust 514 players would have lesser ideas on how to fix eve online problems and vice versa.

Mind you the list is short and I trimmed quite a few eve side things out.

Combined with his previous postings at nearly 100% CSM involved/revolved posts it basically means its a fashion show for this super evetard who I hate to say it barely understands EITHER game as it was made painfully obvious from his interview about the eve side problems.

If flying to iceland was not a problem for me (it is thanks alot college...) I would so run in a heart beat and steam roll this guy.

Its easy to throw crap from the sidelines.

Any dust player is wasting their time trying for a spot on the CSM, unless they are setting one seat aside for dust and letting us vote the ship spinners are never going to put a dust bunny in.

The more i read about this 'DUST CSM' the more i really dont want it because we dont have a candidate who is good enough to run for CSM to begin with

meaningless drivel

Once again, I have no opinion on this matter.

But I would like to say this- do you actually have any idea what's happening or who these people are, or are you just getting all of your information from a couple of threads?

Go draw some more spaceship concepts in your school notebooks mate.

Bad form Iron Wolf. Very bad.

I have a huge problem with the "don't vote for so and so" attitude. It's terrible, even if Jackal is a uninformed as your post says.

You should recommend reasons to vote for others, instead of just slating someone. Atleast, "so and so would be a better CSM member than so and so".

I might have to run for CSM at this rate. I'd be awesomes. Best reason to not vote for someone? Because you're voting for awesome Tony :P

It would be interesting to know what percentage of the community stands behind a duster on the CSM vs. the CPM. I suspect it's not as close to 50/50 as you suggested in the podcast.

Why should it be one or the other?

Why should it be one or the other?

To Nex.

The problem is that Jackal is nearly incapable of listening. You can't be a good leader if you can't listen at all. The one time the one time he showed up in the IRC channels to talk to the IRC crew and CPM he basically said dust 514's biggest problem is that null sec space in eve has no wars. I tore him a new one on that and he then replies that we're a bunch of separaists which is entirely untrue at all. We just don't want both games to train wreck into each other.

Hans understood our plights much better, because I can see him throwing the controller at the screen just like any one of us could have. He expressed his opinion in a very open and debatable manner, presented well, background well, and fit right in among us.

Overall he's rude, ego-inflated, generates the vibe that dust 514'ers are second class citizens, and what pisses me off more than anything his eve side ideas are absolutely without thought and nearly idiotic, which means he hasn't done enough 0.0 to understand 0.0.

I've done the null sec WARs for 2 years in Eve, though tactics and ships change, I know the issues out there.

To Nex.

The problem is that Jackal is nearly incapable of listening. You can't be a good leader if you can't listen at all. The one time the one time he showed up in the IRC channels to talk to the IRC crew and CPM he basically said dust 514's biggest problem is that null sec space in eve has no wars. I tore him a new one on that and he then replies that we're a bunch of separaists which is entirely untrue at all. We just don't want both games to train wreck into each other.

Hans understood our plights much better, because I can see him throwing the controller at the screen just like any one of us could have. He expressed his opinion in a very open and debatable manner, presented well, background well, and fit right in among us.

Overall he's rude, ego-inflated, generates the vibe that dust 514'ers are second class citizens, and what pisses me off more than anything his eve side ideas are absolutely without thought and nearly idiotic, which means he hasn't done enough 0.0 to understand 0.0.

I've done the null sec WARs for 2 years in Eve, though tactics and ships change, I know the issues out there.

First off, I have shown up on the IRC channel multiple times. Secondly, produce exact logs to back up your claim that I said Null Sec was the biggest problem for DUST... I never once said that.

What actually happened, was that I was accosted the moment I got on, and asked about the null sec portion of my candidacy post. I answered, and Iron Wolf Saber came on as I was answering this query. Thus to his view, he believed I was immediately arguing for EVE-side and not DUST. Not once have I ever said Null sec was the biggest issue facing DUST.

And you still have yet to answer my challenge. Pull apart my platform. Tell me why most of the Ideeas WILL NOT work.

And while you're at it. Find me a successful CSM Elected Candidate that ddn't have any kind of platform.

Dust has essentially nothing to do with EVE at this point, and is an incredibly simple game. Dust does not require representation on the CSM. Simple, unfinished games like Dust can be handled very easily by CCP. Anyone who is foolish enough to try and campaign for CSM with the assumption that they'll "represent Dust" is automatically someone you know is unsuitable for the CSM, as they are very clearly lacking in even the most rudimentary understanding of what the CSM is for, and how Dust has no need of representation on it at this time, or perhaps ever.

Then why are you not in the shark tank now? You're not even in the public dust 514 channel. Coward.

That sir is a futile exercise as you proven in the past. Hence the inability to listen.

Also if you're so good why don't you produce the logs?

I am not the one who made the accusations. It lies in the hands of the accuser, not the accused to produce proof.

And you have not once actually stated why my ideas, expanded or not, would be bad for the community on any level that gave me no room to rise above it with justifiable arguments.

Bad form Iron Wolf. Very bad.

I have a huge problem with the "don't vote for so and so" attitude. It's terrible, even if Jackal is a uninformed as your post says.

You should recommend reasons to vote for others, instead of just slating someone. Atleast, "so and so would be a better CSM member than so and so".

I might have to run for CSM at this rate. I'd be awesomes. Best reason to not vote for someone? Because you're voting for awesome Tony :P

...............................................................damn...............im sold......where do i vote?!

It's your job to keep your record unattackable. Not mine. Failing first rule of intergalactic politics. Go hire a staff.

Pretty sure I made mention I'm not a politician. I can't lie worth a damn, and my missus will attest to that.

I'm a person who plays EVE, and DUST, and who wants to represent DUST to the CSM and integrate it further into EVE Online.

I know about DUST, I know about EVE, I have proven this is multiple forum posts, a few podcast interviews, and podcasts I co-hosted.

People say they don't want an EVE player representing them now. With the imminent release of the DUST / EVE Link CSM Winter Summit Minutes... who do you think represented DUST interests in an EVE player exclusive CSM?

In all honesty, this thread is the vindictive plight of someone who is not even running for the position. How about instead we hear from someone who ACTUALLY HAS an interest in the position and presents alternatives rather than slander?

I don't understand why DUST and EVE shouldn't have separate leadership, at least at the get-go.

DUST is still in early beta, and right now our community is not very cohesive. If we tried a joint leadership with EVE Online (read: CCP's cash cow) then we'd just be smooshed.

Having a separated leadership structure, at least until DUST gets on its feet, would be more ideal, because that way it would be DUST players talking about DUST things, and not EVE players deigning to spend a bit of their valuable time on issues that would not even affect them. I don't see how such arbitrary leadership is a good thing for this game.

I do not want an EVE player with DUST experience representing me. I want a DUST player as my leadership.

Once DUST is fully built, and the games are fully integrated, then the two communities can see about instituting some sort of joint-leadership structure, either by extending ambassadorship to CSM/CPM candidates, or by having joint-council sessions to discuss issues and topics that affect both games.

I don't understand why DUST and EVE shouldn't have separate leadership, at least at the get-go.

DUST is still in early beta, and right now our community is not very cohesive. If we tried a joint leadership with EVE Online (read: CCP's cash cow) then we'd just be smooshed.

Having a separated leadership structure, at least until DUST gets on its feet, would be more ideal, because that way it would be DUST players talking about DUST things, and not EVE players deigning to spend a bit of their valuable time on issues that would not even affect them. I don't see how such arbitrary leadership is a good thing for this game.

I do not want an EVE player with DUST experience representing me. I want a DUST player as my leadership.

Once DUST is fully built, and the games are fully integrated, then the two communities can see about instituting some sort of joint-leadership structure, either by extending ambassadorship to CSM/CPM candidates, or by having joint-council sessions to discuss issues and topics that affect both games.

I am not the one who made the accusations. It lies in the hands of the accuser, not the accused to produce proof.

And you have not once actually stated why my ideas, expanded or not, would be bad for the community on any level that gave me no room to rise above it with justifiable arguments.

I apologize just its hard to describe Jackal in few words and resorted to using a word the dust 514 community is very familiar with. The counter-campaign is not the only thing I have to deal with.

As for evidence, Jackal keeps good track of it himself.

I'd rather have zion shaddy for csm at least he fakes knowing wtf he is talking about better than BJ

Dust has essentially nothing to do with EVE at this point, and is an incredibly simple game. Dust does not require representation on the CSM. Simple, unfinished games like Dust can be handled very easily by CCP. Anyone who is foolish enough to try and campaign for CSM with the assumption that they'll "represent Dust" is automatically someone you know is unsuitable for the CSM, as they are very clearly lacking in even the most rudimentary understanding of what the CSM is for, and how Dust has no need of representation on it at this time, or perhaps ever.

The more i read about this 'DUST CSM' the more i really dont want it because we dont have a candidate who is good enough to run for CSM to begin with

Is walking in a station that bad?

Um, I am lost on a lot of this as I have no interest in playing Eve, so I dunno what the hell you are talking about with all of the 0.0 and whatnot. However, I loves me some politicking.

So, I have but one point to put forward. In the judicial legal system, it is the burden of the accuser to prove guilt in the accused, and the accused is innocent until proven guilty. That's just the way it is.

THIS however is not in the legal system. THIS is DUST forum law. Which basically means you are being judged without a formal set of guidelines for judging your cases. If you have a claim against you, it will remain an unproven but non-disprovable fact until the accused or the accuser points to evidence proving their case.

Slander works VERY well here since there are no legal systems that govern our environment here. Things in the forums tend to be a lot more tribal then democratic, in case you hadn't noticed. People will believe whomever they feel they trust more until evidence is presented to prove one side or the other is correct. Many people will be of the opinion that proof will be needed to sway them, but I would imagine a fair chunk would be swayed by other things. such as with a well thought out post explaining their side of things, or a snarky comeback to a gibe made at your expense. Remember, this is a far more primitive system than you might wish it to be since there is no one to enforce how people will come up with a verdict.



To Jackal: Might want to start popping out some logs if you indeed have proof to show that you are being falsely accused, otherwise it will remain with you. Kinda like a grease smear you can wipe at all day but you can never make it go away entirely.



To Iron Wolf: You might want to start keeping tabs on evidence for these claims you are making, as it will make your case stand on much firmer ground in the next sitting.


To both of you: Please refrain from personal attacks as they make you look immature. I am aware that getting emotional about a topic can make you irrational in your writing and responses, but if you wish to be taken seriously refrain from personal attacks as they are petty and have no bearing on the topic.


~Overlord

QFT!!!!!

Like seriously guys we are in F'in beta!!!!

Like what Fivetimes has said, CSM is for EVE! It should never be about dust because that not what it was meant for.

CCP has even stated that it doesn't want any Dust bunny to run for CSM for the exact reason above.

Seriously a monkey is a better candidate that you Jackal.

All these people running for CSM for dust are so selfish and are only in it for themselves. They don't even know anything about EVE to begin with and hardly know anything about Dust in its self. Playing a game doesn't mean you know the in and outs of everything or anything. Just means you play the game.

Seriously all these candidates have been an utter joke!

CSM members have SAID and I have quoted this multiple times, that a DUST representative would be USEFUL with the discussions that the CSM have had over the INTEGRATION of DUST into EVE. The Minutes are still pending release, but Hans has himself stated that it was a very hotly debated topic.

Those of you who insist on sayign that the CSM should only be for EVE clearly have as little concept for research and lack of commuinication within the community as you accuse me of having. I have even, on a few occasions, quote directly from previous posts, topics, and given references to back up my claims, only to get vehement denials of what has been said as fact.

So far, no CCP representative has told me not to run, despite having ample opportunity. CCP didn't want us to have corps pre-release either (as pointed out by my good friend Iron Wolf) butthat happened. Multiple sources from EVE Community believe this would be a good idea at the very least to have 1/14th of the CSM able to represent the DUST 514 Community.

DUST 514 is being debated by the current CSM, so your arguments that the CSM is onlt for EVE, are irrelevant. If they ARE discussing something, they are having input to CCP about it. And aaccording to so many previous complaints about the CSM, this is exactly what the DUST community didn't want.

EVE players deciding the fate of DUST players.

Argue all you want against my candidacy, or my platform. But stop denying that even at this point in time, the community of DUST needs representation on the CSM.

so i'm under the impression that people who are bad at the game run for CSM so they can feel important? Somebody please correct me if i'm wrong.