If we look at the rules of imperfect balance, people should be saying that scouts are OP by now. Why is that heavy+HMG still rules the battlefield. There is at least a squad of heavies (if not more) in every game. imperfect balance is broken. There is no class counter for HMG+heavy. Scouts are useless against heavies unless they have a shotgun. You used to be able to strafe around heavies back in replication. Now if you run at a heavy with anything but a shotgun you are dead. Scouts are supposed to be the counter for heavies. Just look at TF2 if you don't agree. Where is the imperfect balance ccp? Since strafe speed has been nerfed this game has become heavy paradise.

I do not play scout btw. Just thought I would point this out.

If we look at the rules of imperfect balance, people should be saying that scouts are OP by now. Why is that heavy+HMG still rules the battlefield. There is at least a squad of heavies (if not more) in every game. imperfect balance is broken. There is no class counter for HMG+heavy. Scouts are useless against heavies unless they have a shotgun. You used to be able to strafe around heavies back in replication. Now if you run at a heavy with anything but a shotgun you are dead. Scouts are supposed to be the counter for heavies. Just look at TF2 if you don't agree. Where is the imperfect balance ccp? Since strafe speed has been nerfed this game has become heavy paradise.

I do not play scout btw. Just thought I would point this out.

Scouts are simply easy kills for heavies.

Its all about controlling the engagement. If you take a heavy on at close quarters your done. However, if you can engage that heavy at 70 + meters out with an assault rifle, there is nothing that heavy can do. If he sprays at you, one, maybe two bullets are going to hit, meanwhile you've just emptied a whole clip at his head.

I've baited many heavies out into a long range engagement that they cant win and laughed as they slowly walk towards me ineffectively spraying that big gun of theirs while I punish them for being so dumb as to think that they're invincible. At long range, heavies might as well be spraying blanks. Of course, there have been one or two times I've misjudged the distance and been torn apart because I was within the heavies range.

If you encounter a heavy at close range and you have no backup - run. Run as fast as you can, and put some distance between the two of you. When he moves to chase you, make sure you re-engage at long range.

I recommend finding some you tube footage of a good heavy, seeing how he moves, how his weapon fires and how terrible it is at long range, or even better, play as a heavy yourself and get an idea of the limitations of the class. Once you know what the weaknesses are, it becomes easier to exploit them :D

Sometimes post like just make me facepalm I'm hoping this is just a troll crimson :-P:-)

There is is still no class that counters heavy. I could put a shotgun on an assault suit and kill a heavy. That does not fix the class problem.

Heavy>scout
Heavy>assault
Heavy>logi

Look at TF2. scouts are always the counter for heavies. Not just some of the time. Perfect imbalance has been broken since they nerfed the strafe mechanics. Scouts are simply easy kills for heavies.

according to the rule of perfect imbalance, everyone should be running scout now. IT should be the new OP. Its not becuase there is no counter class for heavies.

You could always use an OB - right Noc...

Not for people who know how to play a scout. I've had many close calls and deaths to very good scout players. I roll heavy 98% of the time so I know the good ones from the bad. I look forward to a challenge when I see certain names on the other side of the field.

But, most don't know how to fight a heavy with a scout suit... and they die very quickly.

Get REAL close, jump and strafe... do the neo dance and you can win.

Yeah you have had close calls. You should be getting outplayed by scouts left and right. You should be crying about how scouts are OP on the forums. They are your natural counter. Nope everyone is still talking HMGs and lazors. That right there proves my point. Perfect imbalance is broken.

LOL at the person who said "play smart".

You should be getting outplayed by scouts left and right. You should be crying about how scouts are OP on the forums. They are your natural counter.

Not for people who know how to play a scout. I've had many close calls and deaths to very good scout players. I roll heavy 98% of the time so I know the good ones from the bad. I look forward to a challenge when I see certain names on the other side of the field.

But, most don't know how to fight a heavy with a scout suit... and they die very quickly.

Get REAL close, jump and strafe... do the neo dance and you can win.

Did everyone forget about the time when scouts were the counter for heavies, heavies were the counter for assault and assualt was the counter scouts. This game used to play like TF2 in replication. Now it does not.

It still does its just the communty is unbearably bad at this game iv seen plenty of scouts wipe the floor with heavys. It's just not running face first into gunfire exists in peoples playbook

This. I can decimate heavies running as a scout shotty if I can get in close without them noticing.

Why is there so much heavy whining? I get ruined by heavies if I happen to end up in CQC with em. If I want to counter the heavy, I'll go with a militia scout suit/shotgun or a sniper rifle depending on the map. I don't see a problem here.

I understand TF2 mechanics as well, and there's quite a few differences between the two games to consider before just throwing out a comparison between the two styles of gunplay. TF2 heavies have spool-up on the gun, TF2 scouts can't switch between shotguns and snipers. Dust module healing vrs. TF2 sandvich mechanics. TF2 medic mechanics vrs. Dust logi mechanics. Logistics vehicles. I'm sure there's many more I'm missing.

If you are constantly getting wrecked by every heavy, maybe it's time to rethink how you approach them instead of clamoring for a nerf.

- An assault main who owes ~1/3 of his deaths to heavies.

Scouts are supposed to be the counter for heavies. Not just shotgun. What are the counters for shotgun? MD, AR, Laser, sniper. Whats the counters for HMG again??? Oh yeah just shotgun. Another reason why perfect imbalance is broken.

Well spoken, +1

Also, I thought we were done with QQing about heavies?

CCP fanboys will defend CCP's decisions no matter how dumb they are.

And butthurt's will keep bashing them.

What point is there in stating that?

The point was to state that the thread is pointless and that CCP is not going to fix it. They will continue tending to noobs like you.

Do people really think I am asking for a heavy nerf? Do you people even read my posts? Or do you just see my corp name and start trolling? The problem isn't heavies. The problem is scouts do not counter heavies like they are supposed to. For the record I wreck heavies all day simply becuase I have more sp/better aim.

To the guy from KEQ who said scouts do counter heavies. Lets test this. Lets both start new accounts, you spec scout/AR or SMG and I will spec heavy. Then lets see who wins.

Perfect imbalance is broken.

I like how people on these forums ignore the points I make and just try and act like I am crying about heavies. Fail harder.

The point was to state that the thread is pointless and that CCP is not going to fix it. They will continue tending to noobs like you.

Whoever you are you need to take a step back. Negativity isn't constructive and idiots like you are clogging up threads with there pessimistic attitudes that do nothing but prevent anything positive from happening.

Pick a proper thread and troll there - stay out of any threads with real discussions because you obviously haven't any concept of what's going on around here.

Sometimes post like just make me facepalm I'm hoping this is just a troll crimson :-P:-)

>Anyway, Crimson, I'm still a little unsure as to what you mean by the term "Imperfect balance." Could you please clarify what you mean by it?

Thank you in advance.

http://youtu.be/e31OSVZF77w

Perfect imbalance is broken atm due to us not having all the features scouts will have in the future.
- Imperfect imbalance.

Do people really think I am asking for a heavy nerf? Do you people even read my posts? Or do you just see my corp name and start trolling? The problem isn't heavies. The problem is scouts do not counter heavies like they are supposed to. For the record I wreck heavies all day simply becuase I have more sp/better aim.

To the guy from KEQ who said scouts do counter heavies. Lets test this. Lets both start new accounts, you spec scout/AR or SMG and I will spec heavy. Then lets see who wins.

Perfect imbalance is broken.

I like how people on these forums ignore the points I make and just try and act like I am crying about heavies. Fail harder.

Although I do agree that scouts need some form of adjustment and buff, but also think for heavies as well on their advanced and proto items.