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Arken Sarum
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:44:00 -
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Personally, I think the issues started when they removed the turn limiters from the suits. |
H4lfdog
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:46:00 -
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Scout can kill heavy with ease. Stop feeding the troll... Please. |
Sleepy Zan
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:47:00 -
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Heavies more hp and heavy weapon machine gun that costs a good amount of isk
Assault less hp and light weapon assault rifle that costs a moderate amount of isk
Both go head on, what do you think should happen? |
Crimson Moon V
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:47:00 -
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Moochie Cricket wrote:Panoscape wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:Scouts are simply easy kills for heavies. Not for people who know how to play a scout. I've had many close calls and deaths to very good scout players. I roll heavy 98% of the time so I know the good ones from the bad. I look forward to a challenge when I see certain names on the other side of the field. But, most don't know how to fight a heavy with a scout suit... and they die very quickly. Get REAL close, jump and strafe... do the neo dance and you can win. This. I can decimate heavies running as a scout shotty if I can get in close without them noticing. Scouts are supposed to be the counter for heavies. Not just shotgun. What are the counters for shotgun? MD, AR, Laser, sniper. Whats the counters for HMG again??? Oh yeah just shotgun. Another reason why perfect imbalance is broken. |
Sigberct Amni
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:49:00 -
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Why is there so much heavy whining? I get ruined by heavies if I happen to end up in CQC with em. If I want to counter the heavy, I'll go with a militia scout suit/shotgun or a sniper rifle depending on the map. I don't see a problem here.
I understand TF2 mechanics as well, and there's quite a few differences between the two games to consider before just throwing out a comparison between the two styles of gunplay. TF2 heavies have spool-up on the gun, TF2 scouts can't switch between shotguns and snipers. Dust module healing vrs. TF2 sandvich mechanics. TF2 medic mechanics vrs. Dust logi mechanics. Logistics vehicles. I'm sure there's many more I'm missing.
If you are constantly getting wrecked by every heavy, maybe it's time to rethink how you approach them instead of clamoring for a nerf.
- An assault main who owes ~1/3 of his deaths to heavies. |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:53:00 -
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Sigberct Amni wrote:Why is there so much heavy whining? I get ruined by heavies if I happen to end up in CQC with em. If I want to counter the heavy, I'll go with a militia scout suit/shotgun or a sniper rifle depending on the map. I don't see a problem here.
I understand TF2 mechanics as well, and there's quite a few differences between the two games to consider before just throwing out a comparison between the two styles of gunplay. TF2 heavies have spool-up on the gun, TF2 scouts can't switch between shotguns and snipers. Dust module healing vrs. TF2 sandvich mechanics. TF2 medic mechanics vrs. Dust logi mechanics. Logistics vehicles. I'm sure there's many more I'm missing.
If you are constantly getting wrecked by every heavy, maybe it's time to rethink how you approach them instead of clamoring for a nerf.
- An assault main who owes ~1/3 of his deaths to heavies. Well spoken, +1
Also, I thought we were done with QQing about heavies?
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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:54:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Moochie Cricket wrote:Panoscape wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:Scouts are simply easy kills for heavies. Not for people who know how to play a scout. I've had many close calls and deaths to very good scout players. I roll heavy 98% of the time so I know the good ones from the bad. I look forward to a challenge when I see certain names on the other side of the field. But, most don't know how to fight a heavy with a scout suit... and they die very quickly. Get REAL close, jump and strafe... do the neo dance and you can win. This. I can decimate heavies running as a scout shotty if I can get in close without them noticing. Scouts are supposed to be the counter for heavies. Not just shotgun. What are the counters for shotgun? MD, AR, Laser, sniper. Whats the counters for HMG again??? Oh yeah just shotgun. Another reason why perfect imbalance is broken. You forgot lasers, remote explosives, a well timed grenade throw, and anything that can run us over. ^_^
EDIT: Oh and mass drivers - can't forget about those kittens.
EDIT2: Forgot snipers with half a brain. |
Sigberct Amni
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:58:00 -
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Polish Hammer wrote:Well spoken, +1 Also, I thought we were done with QQing about heavies? Well, intelligent players are done QQ'ing about em. There's still the guys who just run in a straight line while hipfiring at a heavy to file complaints, though. |
Crimson Moon V
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:10:00 -
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Do people really think I am asking for a heavy nerf? Do you people even read my posts? Or do you just see my corp name and start trolling? The problem isn't heavies. The problem is scouts do not counter heavies like they are supposed to. For the record I wreck heavies all day simply becuase I have more sp/better aim.
To the guy from KEQ who said scouts do counter heavies. Lets test this. Lets both start new accounts, you spec scout/AR or SMG and I will spec heavy. Then lets see who wins.
Perfect imbalance is broken.
I like how people on these forums ignore the points I make and just try and act like I am crying about heavies. Fail harder. |
Omnipotent lilmamaj
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:17:00 -
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CCP fanboys will defend CCP's decisions no matter how dumb they are. |
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Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:20:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:CCP fanboys will defend CCP's decisions no matter how dumb they are. And butthurt's will keep bashing them.
What point is there in stating that? |
Omnipotent lilmamaj
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:30:00 -
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Polish Hammer wrote:Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:CCP fanboys will defend CCP's decisions no matter how dumb they are. And butthurt's will keep bashing them. What point is there in stating that? The point was to state that the thread is pointless and that CCP is not going to fix it. They will continue tending to noobs like you. |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:33:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Polish Hammer wrote:Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:CCP fanboys will defend CCP's decisions no matter how dumb they are. And butthurt's will keep bashing them. What point is there in stating that? The point was to state that the thread is pointless and that CCP is not going to fix it. They will continue tending to noobs like you. Ahhh......name calling.
Ooooh and blind statements. |
Crimson Moon V
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:36:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Do people really think I am asking for a heavy nerf? Do you people even read my posts? Or do you just see my corp name and start trolling? The problem isn't heavies. The problem is scouts do not counter heavies like they are supposed to. For the record I wreck heavies all day simply becuase I have more sp/better aim.
To the guy from KEQ who said scouts do counter heavies. Lets test this. Lets both start new accounts, you spec scout/AR or SMG and I will spec heavy. Then lets see who wins.
Perfect imbalance is broken.
I like how people on these forums ignore the points I make and just try and act like I am crying about heavies. Fail harder. Qouted for people who still think this is a heavy is OP thread. I really thought some of you were smarter then. Either I have a serious problem with getting my point across, or some of you simply refuse to accept that the HMG doesn't have a proper counter class. Scouts are broken until they start going invisible. |
SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:38:00 -
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Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Polish Hammer wrote:Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:CCP fanboys will defend CCP's decisions no matter how dumb they are. And butthurt's will keep bashing them. What point is there in stating that? The point was to state that the thread is pointless and that CCP is not going to fix it. They will continue tending to noobs like you. Whoever you are you need to take a step back. Negativity isn't constructive and idiots like you are clogging up threads with there pessimistic attitudes that do nothing but prevent anything positive from happening.
Pick a proper thread and troll there - stay out of any threads with real discussions because you obviously haven't any concept of what's going on around here. |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:41:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:Polish Hammer wrote:Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote:CCP fanboys will defend CCP's decisions no matter how dumb they are. And butthurt's will keep bashing them. What point is there in stating that? The point was to state that the thread is pointless and that CCP is not going to fix it. They will continue tending to noobs like you. Whoever you are you need to take a step back. Negativity isn't constructive and idiots like you are clogging up threads with there pessimistic attitudes that do nothing but prevent anything positive from happening. Pick a proper thread and troll there - stay out of any threads with real discussions because you obviously haven't any concept of what's going on around here. *Fistbump*
Anyway, Crimson, I'm still a little unsure as to what you mean by the term "Imperfect balance." Could you please clarify what you mean by it?
Thank you in advance. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:48:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Sometimes post like just make me facepalm I'm hoping this is just a troll crimson :-P:-)
Pretty sure it's just the daily "Get imperfects name on front page" routine.
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Crimson Moon V
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:57:00 -
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>Anyway, Crimson, I'm still a little unsure as to what you mean by the term "Imperfect balance." Could you please clarify what you mean by it?
Thank you in advance.
http://youtu.be/e31OSVZF77w
Perfect imbalance is broken atm due to us not having all the features scouts will have in the future. - Imperfect imbalance. |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.02.14 22:12:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:>Anyway, Crimson, I'm still a little unsure as to what you mean by the term "Imperfect balance." Could you please clarify what you mean by it? Thank you in advance. http://youtu.be/e31OSVZF77wPerfect imbalance is broken atm due to us not having all the features scouts will have in the future. - Imperfect imbalance. Very insightful
I do understand what you're saying now. Thanks for the clarification. I suppose it's sort of a wait and see type of deal until they put in all of the Scout's features that they're planning. |
Crimson Moon V
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Posted - 2013.02.14 22:14:00 -
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One thing to take note of- We should have moved on already with all these HMG are OP thread. Where are the scouts are OP threads? In a evolving meta game everyone should have went scout by now. Yet we are still talking about heavies for months and months. We can't move on though, Scouts are broken. So the hmg threads flow on and on and on.
Anyways dead horse is dead. Thanks to some of you for understanding what I was trying to say. Heavies are not overpowered. The problem is the counter class for heavies is not complete yet. So these HMGs are overpowered threads will be popping up until then. |
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Brigitte Newt
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
25
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Posted - 2013.02.15 01:58:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Do people really think I am asking for a heavy nerf? Do you people even read my posts? Or do you just see my corp name and start trolling? The problem isn't heavies. The problem is scouts do not counter heavies like they are supposed to. For the record I wreck heavies all day simply becuase I have more sp/better aim.
To the guy from KEQ who said scouts do counter heavies. Lets test this. Lets both start new accounts, you spec scout/AR or SMG and I will spec heavy. Then lets see who wins.
Perfect imbalance is broken.
I like how people on these forums ignore the points I make and just try and act like I am crying about heavies. Fail harder.
I play a heavy and I understand what you are trying to say. Heavy is only strong in the beggining , when game resets are and everyone has no skills invested yet over 300k. However, look at the "end game" proto suits, weapons and it is very clear how badly heavy dropsuits are, even HMG Boundless doesnt feel like a proto weapon comparing to other weapons. Its almost the time when the heavies will start to fall behind others and they will just be laughable.
Although I do agree that scouts need some form of adjustment and buff, but also think for heavies as well on their advanced and proto items. |
Big miku
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Posted - 2013.02.15 02:35:00 -
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Brigitte Newt wrote:Although I do agree that scouts need some form of adjustment and buff, but also think for heavies as well on their advanced and proto items.
This, Heavy gear is so damn shittyshit toward end game. 500000+ SP for barely any gain at all? Thanks CCP. |
Medical Crash
Burnwall Industries
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Posted - 2013.02.15 04:02:00 -
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I don't have much trouble killing heavies, unless 2 of them have me covered from both sides. I use a shotgun and can kill em easy most of the time, however in open areas I'm a dead man. I run Logi right now, and am saving my ISK up. I don't have a team yet though, I'm tired of playing with randoms who don't stick with me. Low shields+low Armour means I have to stay near cover or groups of people. |
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