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Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 184	Posted - 2013.02.14 18:17:00 - [1] - Quote If we look at the rules of imperfect balance, people should be saying that scouts are OP by now. Why is that heavy+HMG still rules the battlefield. There is at least a squad of heavies (if not more) in every game. imperfect balance is broken. There is no class counter for HMG+heavy. Scouts are useless against heavies unless they have a shotgun. You used to be able to strafe around heavies back in replication. Now if you run at a heavy with anything but a shotgun you are dead. Scouts are supposed to be the counter for heavies. Just look at TF2 if you don't agree. Where is the imperfect balance ccp? Since strafe speed has been nerfed this game has become heavy paradise. I do not play scout btw. Just thought I would point this out.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 184	Posted - 2013.02.14 18:48:00 - [2] - Quote There is is still no class that counters heavy. I could put a shotgun on an assault suit and kill a heavy. That does not fix the class problem. Heavy>scout Heavy>assault Heavy>logi Look at TF2. scouts are always the counter for heavies. Not just some of the time. Perfect imbalance has been broken since they nerfed the strafe mechanics. Scouts are simply easy kills for heavies. according to the rule of perfect imbalance, everyone should be running scout now. IT should be the new OP. Its not becuase there is no counter class for heavies.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 184	Posted - 2013.02.14 18:59:00 - [3] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Sometimes post like just make me facepalm I'm hoping this is just a troll crimson :-P:-) Did everyone forget about the time when scouts were the counter for heavies, heavies were the counter for assault and assualt was the counter scouts. This game used to play like TF2 in replication. Now it does not.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 184	Posted - 2013.02.14 19:08:00 - [4] - Quote Panoscape wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Scouts are simply easy kills for heavies. Not for people who know how to play a scout. I've had many close calls and deaths to very good scout players. I roll heavy 98% of the time so I know the good ones from the bad. I look forward to a challenge when I see certain names on the other side of the field. But, most don't know how to fight a heavy with a scout suit... and they die very quickly. Get REAL close, jump and strafe... do the neo dance and you can win. Yeah you have had close calls. You should be getting outplayed by scouts left and right. You should be crying about how scouts are OP on the forums. They are your natural counter. Nope everyone is still talking HMGs and lazors. That right there proves my point. Perfect imbalance is broken. LOL at the person who said "play smart". I didn't know play smart was a playable class that is the natural counter for heavies. Oh wait its not... We are talking perfect imbalance. Not how to kill a heavy.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 184	Posted - 2013.02.14 19:29:00 - [5] - Quote If you don't understand why scouts should be outplaying heavies, you need to leave this thread and go read "Perfect imbalance for dummies". Then go play some TF2. You can tell just by looking at the forums that perfect imbalance is broken. Where are all the scouts are OP threads? We have been stuck on HMGs and lazors forever.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 184	Posted - 2013.02.14 19:56:00 - [6] - Quote Does no one understand how perfect imbalance works? I don't even play a scout. This isn't about me or heavies. Perfect balance is broken. The counter class for heavies is scouts. When ccp nerfed strafe speed scouts are were longer the counter class. Go look at TF2. I am just repeating myself now. Some people in thread do not understand perfect imbalance. Oh well ccp will just nerf heavies instead of fixing the real problem.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 184	Posted - 2013.02.14 20:40:00 - [7] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Sometimes post like just make me facepalm I'm hoping this is just a troll crimson :-P:-) Did everyone forget about the time when scouts were the counter for heavies, heavies were the counter for assault and assualt was the counter scouts. This game used to play like TF2 in replication. Now it does not. It still does its just the communty is unbearably bad at this game iv seen plenty of scouts wipe the floor with heavys. It's just not running face first into gunfire exists in peoples playbook What noc said. Scouts are broken atm. You can win scout vs heavy but it is very hard if the heavy has even half a brain. A monkey with a controller should be able to beat a scout as HMG. When scouts go invisible they will be the proper counter. Until then there is no real counter class for heavies. Just the gimped version. Perfect imbalance is broken. We are all just living in a heavy hmg paradise atm.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 184	Posted - 2013.02.14 20:47:00 - [8] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: Panoscape wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Scouts are simply easy kills for heavies. Not for people who know how to play a scout. I've had many close calls and deaths to very good scout players. I roll heavy 98% of the time so I know the good ones from the bad. I look forward to a challenge when I see certain names on the other side of the field. But, most don't know how to fight a heavy with a scout suit... and they die very quickly. Get REAL close, jump and strafe... do the neo dance and you can win. This. I can decimate heavies running as a scout shotty if I can get in close without them noticing. Scouts are supposed to be the counter for heavies. Not just shotgun. What are the counters for shotgun? MD, AR, Laser, sniper. Whats the counters for HMG again??? Oh yeah just shotgun. Another reason why perfect imbalance is broken.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 184	Posted - 2013.02.14 21:10:00 - [9] - Quote Do people really think I am asking for a heavy nerf? Do you people even read my posts? Or do you just see my corp name and start trolling? The problem isn't heavies. The problem is scouts do not counter heavies like they are supposed to. For the record I wreck heavies all day simply becuase I have more sp/better aim. To the guy from KEQ who said scouts do counter heavies. Lets test this. Lets both start new accounts, you spec scout/AR or SMG and I will spec heavy. Then lets see who wins. Perfect imbalance is broken. I like how people on these forums ignore the points I make and just try and act like I am crying about heavies. Fail harder.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 184	Posted - 2013.02.14 21:36:00 - [10] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Do people really think I am asking for a heavy nerf? Do you people even read my posts? Or do you just see my corp name and start trolling? The problem isn't heavies. The problem is scouts do not counter heavies like they are supposed to. For the record I wreck heavies all day simply becuase I have more sp/better aim. To the guy from KEQ who said scouts do counter heavies. Lets test this. Lets both start new accounts, you spec scout/AR or SMG and I will spec heavy. Then lets see who wins. Perfect imbalance is broken. I like how people on these forums ignore the points I make and just try and act like I am crying about heavies. Fail harder. Qouted for people who still think this is a heavy is OP thread. I really thought some of you were smarter then. Either I have a serious problem with getting my point across, or some of you simply refuse to accept that the HMG doesn't have a proper counter class. Scouts are broken until they start going invisible.

Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 184	Posted - 2013.02.14 21:57:00 - [11] - Quote >Anyway, Crimson, I'm still a little unsure as to what you mean by the term "Imperfect balance." Could you please clarify what you mean by it? Thank you in advance. http://youtu.be/e31OSVZF77w Perfect imbalance is broken atm due to us not having all the features scouts will have in the future. - Imperfect imbalance.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 184	Posted - 2013.02.14 22:14:00 - [12] - Quote One thing to take note of- We should have moved on already with all these HMG are OP thread. Where are the scouts are OP threads? In a evolving meta game everyone should have went scout by now. Yet we are still talking about heavies for months and months. We can't move on though, Scouts are broken. So the hmg threads flow on and on and on. Anyways dead horse is dead. Thanks to some of you for understanding what I was trying to say. Heavies are not overpowered. The problem is the counter class for heavies is not complete yet. So these HMGs are overpowered threads will be popping up until then.

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