Thanks everybody who voted for option #2

Thanks everybody who voted for option #2

Why are you complaining? Yea, I know all you want to do is farm, so Ambush becomes your "only" option once you've capped, but every game you play after you cap gets you further and further ahead of those of us that simply can't, or don't, play nearly as often as you.

Entitled much?

Why are you complaining? Yea, I know all you want to do is farm, so Ambush becomes your "only" option once you've capped, but every game you play after you cap gets you further and further ahead of those of us that simply can't, or don't, play nearly as often as you.

Entitled much?

Why are you complaining? Yea, I know all you want to do is farm, so Ambush becomes your "only" option once you've capped, but every game you play after you cap gets you further and further ahead of those of us that simply can't, or don't, play nearly as often as you.

Entitled much?

I don't understand why you care if I farm or not seeing as we'll probably never corp battle against each other, or you'll lose anyways. Players shouldn't be forced into ambush, because it's the most efficient use of their time in acquiring not only SP but ISK.

I don't understand why you care if I farm or not seeing as we'll probably never corp battle against each other, or you'll lose anyways. Players shouldn't be forced into ambush, because it's the most efficient use of their time in acquiring not only SP but ISK.

Thanks everybody who voted for option #2

I'm just not going to bother going into much detail about the reason why option 2 is the only logical and fair choice because it is openly apparent to anyone with a modicum of understanding for new players of how extremely difficult it is for them, even after only 30 days since the wipe.

Don't you realise you're forcing yourself into ambush because of your approach to this game?

Why do you feel the need to show such disrespect to other players? You speak of efficiency as if this game were a job, a task, something that HAD to be done, not just at your leisure.

Is it really that boring for you guys playing this game? All you care about is stats, being on top and farming SP? I enjoy aspects of that to a degree (improving myself as a player and contributor to my corp) but we differ in one aspect; our motivations in playing the game. Like many Imps I assume your motivation is purely centred on your own progression and to prove yourself better than others, going through the motions like a CoD player desperately trying to get that next prestige.

Whereas, I find myself wanting to go on Dust more and more these days for the people I have come call my friends; my corp. In fact, and I know I'm starting to sound like a boring cliche here but our corp acts more like a family than a group of friends. A family that knows when to knuckle up mind you.

How about getting to know your corp mates, chat with them for 10, 15 minutes between matches, have a laugh; who knows, you might actually start having some fun.

Peace.

I don't understand why you care if I farm or not seeing as we'll probably never corp battle against each other, or you'll lose anyways. Players shouldn't be forced into ambush, because it's the most efficient use of their time in acquiring not only SP but ISK.

No one's forcing you to do or play anything. I've played this game every day and I still haven't hit the Cap, If all you care about is playing for more SP and ISK(Which you should have plenty of) Then yes, you are sounding like a spoiled child right now. Most of the community finds the new SP cap very reasonable and definitely better than it was before, it accommodates everyone who as "Other" things to do throughout the week. CCP can't make everybody happy but they will do their best to please the majority. If you do not enjoy Skirmish enough to play it without being rewarded or ISK, then why does it matter? Stop playing alltogether.

Jeeze everyone jumped down your throat. This is beta, we are supposed to provide feedback. Equal rewards for equal time in different game modes is a pretty basic concept that all shooters Ive played try to achieve. Its an obvious flaw that should be pointed out. Why do skirmish players deserve less sp exactly?

Becuase this community is stupid and people thought it would be a good idea. There was a poll... Why force the dedicated players into mindless killing aka TDM with terrible spawns. We are punishing players who want to play skirmish after the cap.

I say we fix the people suddenly whining about Skirmish SP, and just cut the amount of SP you can earn in each ambush game after cap to 500.

1000 is still way too high for 10 minute games

Kind of interesting when you look at the big picture.

People say why bother with skirmish after the cap because they can grind more SP from ambush... but has anybody analyzed that statement? Is the entire point of this game to grind SP? Is that the ONLY reason many of us play? If so, why are we so focused on it? Is it to level up our gear so we can have more fun in the end? Or is it simply a mountain top we relentlessly want to climb just because it's there?

I dunno, I am starting to think 100% passive SP is the only way to go for a game like this. That way players can focus on having fun, honing their skills, and getting as much ISK as possible to pay for our fancy suits so we can do crazy stuff in matches and enjoy ourselves. Rather than having the obligation to log on every day or so just to grind grind grind SP so we don't fall behind.

I think no matter what SP earning system they use, it will always feel like a job and something we do so we can hit that cap and log off. Because when you look at the big picture and wonder why people play, having fun should be #1, but it most certainly is not the norm in Dust.

Kind of interesting when you look at the big picture.

People say why bother with skirmish after the cap because they can grind more SP from ambush... but has anybody analyzed that statement? Is the entire point of this game to grind SP? Is that the ONLY reason many of us play? If so, why are we so focused on it? Is it to level up our gear so we can have more fun in the end? Or is it simply a mountain top we relentlessly want to climb just because it's there?

I dunno, I am starting to think 100% passive SP is the only way to go for a game like this. That way players can focus on having fun, honing their skills, and getting as much ISK as possible to pay for our fancy suits so we can do crazy stuff in matches and enjoy ourselves. Rather than having the obligation to log on every day or so just to grind grind grind SP so we don't fall behind.

I think no matter what SP earning system they use, it will always feel like a job and something we do so we can hit that cap and log off. Because when you look at the big picture and wonder why people play, having fun should be #1, but it most certainly is not the norm in Dust.

That'd make you happy wouldn't it?

If you're so worried about falling behind why are you spending your time trolling the forums and not earning sp?

You'd like if we stopped playing.

Stop the Jedi mind tricks.

I say we fix the people suddenly whining about Skirmish SP, and just cut the amount of SP you can earn in each ambush game after cap to 500.

1000 is still way too high for 10 minute games

And once more, the Imperfects fail to see that I'm not campaigning on my own personal behalf. I don't care about SP for myself, I frequently fail to hit the cap, yet still trash a good number of players in this game. I'm simply concerned with the overall growth of this game, since it's designed to span years into the future and be constantly growing and evolving. So, sorry for standing by my belief that a slow and steady rate of progression for SP is the way to go, because it promotes equality while still allowing those with actual skill to shine.

The simple problem is that people these days feel they have to be rewarded for taking a freaking dump. Not everything is a contest. Not everyone cares. You're plenty rewarded as is, quit trying to inflate your egos, very few of us want to get covered in your mess when you finally pop.

Well considering the general population on this game is a bunch of sissy ass CareBears afraid to lose corpbattles Hellstorm among many others. The only thing to really do is grind out SP.

We have a paradox situation. In a different universe, protoman is beeing called militiaman and stated that ambush matches are pointless cause of the option #5 has beeing picked. Watchout maybe the whole universe is going to collapse soonGäó due to the controversal posting thats going on here.

Hey continue to go 9/8 in corp battles buddy.

Question do you really believe the stuff you say? You are saying an unfair game by nature should be fair. I think you are playing the wrong game

Kinda wish the soft cap was even lower. No-lifers can make several hundred thousand SP each week.

Lol I wonder if there's nebody that actually does play that much....probably

Look at zdowg

Because, as usual, you fail to see anything more than yourself. It's about the bigger picture, about keeping players fairly even in skill progression without overly punishing those who can't afford to enslave themselves to a game, while not overly rewarding the loyal gamer at the same time. This has nothing to do with me and you, it has to do with everyone who plays DUST. [So technically it is about us, but only a tiny little bit, especially you. You have no right to complain about anything related to SP >_<]

As far as I'm concerned, you should only get up to 500SP in Ambush (after cap, of course)

I'm just looking forward to this new SP system their touting, should be interesting.

Oh here we go again, boo-hoo nobody wants to play with me .

You reap what you sow, deal with it.

Imp's crying about not being incentivized to play skirmish when all they have played for months is ambush.

Wah wah waaaaaaaah~~~~~

This is a huge lie everyone who voted for option 2 is telling themselves. A cap just ensures everyone already here will always have a significant SP advantage, no matter how good or bad they are. I'm fine with passive and weekly bonus SP, but 1WP = 1SP should not be capped. This will promote (not saying force) playing the shortest game mode always just because there are more rewards, and who wants to miss out?

Becuase this community is stupid and people thought it would be a good idea. There was a poll... Why force the dedicated players into mindless killing aka TDM with terrible spawns. We are punishing players who want to play skirmish after the cap.

I agree, ambush appear like COD at the moment, sksirmish is better and pay less

Oh look another one of these threads.......... HTFU. Be happy the cap was raised, and be in contempt that its still Beta, look forward to the huge patch this month.

If you think it pointless, dont make a pointless thread complaining about it and play ambush.... but god forbid you may post a thread about spawns.

Oh look another one of these threads.......... HTFU. Be happy the cap was raised, and be in contempt that its still Beta, look forward to the huge patch this month.

If you think it pointless, dont make a pointless thread complaining about it and play ambush.... but god forbid you may post a thread about spawns.

Capture the Flag when CCP? I want to see LAV gun battles as one LAV chases down another to get that flag back.

We should continue to whine about people who cry for ners/etc, all the while also crying about a temporary mechanic that will probably only be around for a few more weeks.

hypocrisy is the most puzzling, yet definitive human trait.

also, as far as keeping the soft cap, one word: Pacing.

already discussed it. stop trying to rush this game. are you seriously trying to beat Dust? I think it should take someone a year+ to fully max A SINGLE CLASS (Including TII/III gear). stop crying for more SP, hunker down for the long-haul and HTFU, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

you try typing a multi-paragraph responce on your PS3 using OSKB, then come back and tell me how you wanna continue being a grammar ****. if I were on a computer, I would use proper grammar. but I'm not, so blow a goat -_-

Why are you complaining? Yea, I know all you want to do is farm, so Ambush becomes your "only" option once you've capped, but every game you play after you cap gets you further and further ahead of those of us that simply can't, or don't, play nearly as often as you.

Entitled much?

Theories vs facts! Facts win TKO

I voted for no cap. I love playing Skirmish over Ambush. That is just me and my 2 cents on the matter.

I feel the way of the last question yes.

I do enjoy skirmish, but you do realize I can grind more sp in ambush matches in the time it takes to play 1 skirmish.

The soft cap hurts the skirmish game mode imo. Why even bother.

We should continue to whine about people who cry for ners/etc, all the while also crying about a temporary mechanic that will probably only be around for a few more weeks.

hypocrisy is the most puzzling, yet definitive human trait.

also, as far as keeping the soft cap, one word: Pacing.

already discussed it. stop trying to rush this game. are you seriously trying to beat Dust? I think it should take someone a year+ to fully max A SINGLE CLASS (Including TII/III gear). stop crying for more SP, hunker down for the long-haul and HTFU, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

This is a huge lie everyone who voted for option 2 is telling themselves. A cap just ensures everyone already here will always have a significant SP advantage, no matter how good or bad they are. I'm fine with passive and weekly bonus SP, but 1WP = 1SP should not be capped. This will promote (not saying force) playing the shortest game mode always just because there are more rewards, and who wants to miss out?

None of the CareBears will respond to this post.

I'm just not going to bother going into much detail about the reason why option 2 is the only logical and fair choice because it is openly apparent to anyone with a modicum of understanding for new players of how extremely difficult it is for them, even after only 30 days since the wipe.

Don't you realise you're forcing yourself into ambush because of your approach to this game?

Why do you feel the need to show such disrespect to other players? You speak of efficiency as if this game were a job, a task, something that HAD to be done, not just at your leisure.

Is it really that boring for you guys playing this game? All you care about is stats, being on top and farming SP? I enjoy aspects of that to a degree (improving myself as a player and contributor to my corp) but we differ in one aspect; our motivations in playing the game. Like many Imps I assume your motivation is purely centred on your own progression and to prove yourself better than others, going through the motions like a CoD player desperately trying to get that next prestige.

Whereas, I find myself wanting to go on Dust more and more these days for the people I have come call my friends; my corp. In fact, and I know I'm starting to sound like a boring cliche here but our corp acts more like a family than a group of friends. A family that knows when to knuckle up mind you.

How about getting to know your corp mates, chat with them for 10, 15 minutes between matches, have a laugh; who knows, you might actually start having some fun.

Peace.

Nobody will respond to this because everyone with a brain knows that the 1WP=1SP cap is there only to prevent rapid progression, CCP wants the game to last a long time and cater to everyone regardless of their life's responsibilities(Or lack thereof). The weekly cap accomplishes this and it's not even permanent. You wanting to get God Mode over 2 weeks because you play the game non stop is not a legitimate reason as to why the cap is flawed. Please stop trying to convince yourself that you know what you're talking about. You sound borderline pathetic at this point.

I'm just not going to bother going into much detail about the reason why option 2 is the only logical and fair choice because it is openly apparent to anyone with a modicum of understanding for new players of how extremely difficult it is for them, even after only 30 days since the wipe.

Don't you realise you're forcing yourself into ambush because of your approach to this game?

Why do you feel the need to show such disrespect to other players? You speak of efficiency as if this game were a job, a task, something that HAD to be done, not just at your leisure.

Is it really that boring for you guys playing this game? All you care about is stats, being on top and farming SP? I enjoy aspects of that to a degree (improving myself as a player and contributor to my corp) but we differ in one aspect; our motivations in playing the game. Like many Imps I assume your motivation is purely centred on your own progression and to prove yourself better than others, going through the motions like a CoD player desperately trying to get that next prestige.

Whereas, I find myself wanting to go on Dust more and more these days for the people I have come call my friends; my corp. In fact, and I know I'm starting to sound like a boring cliche here but our corp acts more like a family than a group of friends. A family that knows when to knuckle up mind you.

How about getting to know your corp mates, chat with them for 10, 15 minutes between matches, have a laugh; who knows, you might actually start having some fun.

Peace.

Thanks everybody who voted for option #2

Playing videogames is pointless too. What's your point?

Never heard of you so I won't even bother reading what you wrote

Thanks everybody who voted for option #2

I voted for cap. I love playing Skirmish over Ambush. I do care about the overall skillpoint dynamics, and given the nature of the skill structure in DUST(and EVE), there needs to be a cap.

We already know it works from 10 years experience in EVE, where new players at a tremendous SP disadvantage and an insane ISK advantage can end up being relatively big players engaging in EVE's 'endgame' at the highest level within a couple of years. If a player isn't so ambitious as that, the time required to participate as a grunt in the nullsec endgame is even shorter than that.

And before we get all the needless and pointless cries of 'DUST is not EVE!!', which are most certainly disingenuous, the two games are windows into the same universe. Something as fundamental as skill training needs to be consistent across these two games, and consistent with any new games that CCP sets in New Eden in the future.

I voted for cap. I love playing Skirmish over Ambush. I do care about the overall skillpoint dynamics, and given the nature of the skill structure in DUST(and EVE), there needs to be a cap.

We already know it works from 10 years experience in EVE, where new players at a tremendous SP disadvantage and an insane ISK advantage can end up being relatively big players engaging in EVE's 'endgame' at the highest level within a couple of years. If a player isn't so ambitious as that, the time required to participate as a grunt in the nullsec endgame is even shorter than that.

And before we get all the needless and pointless cries of 'DUST is not EVE!!', which are most certainly disingenuous, the two games are windows into the same universe. Something as fundamental as skill training needs to be consistent across these two games, and consistent with any new games that CCP sets in New Eden in the future.

Its funny to see entitlement being thrown at someone that plays a lot when its the overwhelming sense of entitlement working class people have that caused them to vote for a system where people that can play a lot are slowed down, jokes on them though, casual players will be lucky to even hit the cap each week.

Except most of the people arguing for a cap would benefit more personally from no-cap. The difference is that we understand that it's more important for the longevity of the game to have a cap, plain and simple. It doesn't matter if all of us with 2,000,000+ SP could grind to 10,000,000 if we're the only ones playing the damn game. The game has to stay competitive for th semi-casuals so that we have a game to actually play.

Thanks everybody who voted for option #2