With your tank you have the chance to take out 20+ mercs and might not even lose your precious isk - that is what you pay for.

With AV we get to take out maybe 10 mercs if we're lucky and will definitely die several times because we don't have a primary weapon that can kill infantry (even if the FG can kill mercs, it's not gonna be a lot).

You pay for killing power - not invincibility.

Militia swarms and forge guns need to be removed or nerfed TBH.

Anything militia that can OHK should be removed in my opinion.

LOL this is the logic for pub games. I dont care about pubs. Most good players have good av that will demolish a tank. Im not talking about the noobs who try to stank still holding l1 and blow up my tank with a AR.

When you start rolling 1mill isk tanks then you can start complaining lol

Also i know plenty of tank drivers who completely own matches filled with AV... you know why? because when the enemy start switching to AV suddenly the rest of your team can steam roll them

Miltia doesnt bother me really but when the AV gets to advanced and past that its gets a little bit too much.

Wait, so you're losing your tank that easily in corp battles? Are you not coordinating with the other 7 people on your team?

Man, I could have sworn to god I read this thread seven times today...

I like how things are at the moment

people quote all these sp and isk relation to AV and tanks but at the end of the day it depends on who is using it

i run an advanced swarm and militia tanks i can take out easily as long as i dont stand in the open, otherwise the tank will shrewd me.

the same way that the advanced tanks where i struggle on my own, some of the pilots are idiots and goes down easy

No, but people shouldn't be able to just swap out to militia swarms and help the person with proto swarms imo.

Doing 1000+ damage with something that requires 0 sp, 0 ISK and 0 skill is ridiculous.

Man, I could have sworn to god I read this thread seven times today...

Tanks are cheep, My AV suit can cost as much as a tank :p

Great news everybody!

You no longer have to worry solely about broken proto swarm launchers!

Ive been running prototype forge guns. Im sure you're all pleased by this. my daily average is four tanks eaten, and many people randomly blapped.

So rest assured that prototype and militia swarms are no longer your greatest worry, for I have an Ishukone Assault Forge Gun.

And I am here to kill you.

Ok but your a trooper. You make a profit every game. My tank blows up ive lost around 400000 isk assuming i dont die again. Also i find it hard to believe your AV suit is that much. But either way it doesnt change anything.

This is the most gratifying fact in the game for me right now.

See a tank - blow it up - that loser elitist has to drop 400k to get it back.

actually, you know what. on second thought thank you. i destroyed 6 tanks yesterday (including one guy who ended up 35/2. both of those 2, me. so don't get the idea that it's easy), and it was amazing. my raw hatred for you all is an itch that is oh so satisfying to scratch. burn! all of you burn!

My only gripe on this is that with the plethora of resupply structures at this time, getting and keeping high level AV is not difficult. See a Tank, swap, kill, swap - paydirt. When resupply structures are paid for and brought onto the field, this may change.

To the OP Avoid this bu knowing where the Resupplies are, or blowing them up. Read the tacticas on the training forum and learn where your safe areas are. Know what tanks are for - moving with a coordianted force, and to draw pressure into a specific area of the map. Tanks are less denial and more bait, not an easy button for kills.

I now embrace you and call you brother. Let no vehicle driver feel safe.

DEATH TO ALL TANKS! DESTROY ALL DERPSHIPS! PILE THE LAV CORPSES AS OUR SACRIFICE TO THE GODS OF BATTLE!

Actually you can still use milita AV to kill any tank atm, ive killed Gunlogis and Mauraders no problem on my own against decent tankers and its cheap and easy to do

You're complaining because they don't have to spend as much to counter you, as you spend to counter the other 90% of the playerbase?

Considering tanks are only weak to heavy and av, yet counter EVERYONE else...

I think Tanks aren't expensive enough.

Personally - I like where it is.

And militia MUST have av. If it weren't there, tanks would be 100% pub stomp. You want this game to be a ghost town? Keep touting your elitist ideas.

i was having fun for that first week while all the tankers where still skilling up to get their tanks.

now i can't even have a gunfight anymore?

i didn't wanna be an AV guy but whatever, you all forced this upon me. consider your tank a GIANT target that you're drawing all around yourself. because that's how i see you all now.

really, in my eyes you're at the same level as a redline sniper. you're looking for a way to invincibly farm kills, and i'm sick of it.


actually, you know what. on second thought thank you. i destroyed 6 tanks yesterday (including one guy who ended up 35/2. both of those 2, me. so don't get the idea that it's easy), and it was amazing. my raw hatred for you all is an itch that is oh so satisfying to scratch. burn! all of you burn!

"Rage, rage, rage. I'm not raging, but rage, rage rage."

I love you guys.

Take out one of my LOLTanks (I have a couple of different variants), I can probably afford a replacement from the earnings I got in the match.

Take out one of my GOOD tanks, and it'll take me 2 - 3 matches to replace.

Take out a Prototype tank, and that's a good day's work down the drain.

Take out a decently-fitted Forge Gunner with your tank - just one - and he's probably lost more than it cost me to replace my LOLTank. Which, for the record, has over 5000EHP for under 200,000 ISK.

I'm not sure what the problem is here. Tanks are awesome. AV is designed to counter them, but if you're GOOD with your Tank, it requires skill on the enemy's part to actually kill you. They're more likely to put you out of action WITHOUT killing you than they are to actually blow you up... unless they're using those "squad tactics" you want them to, or you screw up.

In one of my LOLTanks, I always know why I died. If I'm killed solo, it's a mid-high tier Forge Gunner, or I got outplayed. Sometimes by a skilled player hitting me from an unexpected direction and sometimes because I made a stupid mistake or pushed my luck going out in the open without support. Other than those scenarios, I don't die to a solo AV player, even when running Militia gear.

Tanks shouldn't be an "I win" button. They should be a credible threat, but a beatable one. And right now, that's exactly what they are. Except Missile tanks. They need their weapons fixed up a little after the nerf (although I haven't played in a few days, so maybe that already happened?).

I have removed a few troll posts from this thread.

banning corp mates for low level trolling, jerk....

Go play cod if you want to act like a child.

I like how things are at the moment

people quote all these sp and isk relation to AV and tanks but at the end of the day it depends on who is using it

i run an advanced swarm and militia tanks i can take out easily as long as i dont stand in the open, otherwise the tank will shrewd me.

the same way that the advanced tanks where i struggle on my own, some of the pilots are idiots and goes down easy

False, scrubs puck up AV militia fits and shoot you from halfway across the map dipping in and out of cover, cant touch them but lock on range allows them to be assholes. The isk relation is a very real arguement. 0 destroys a 1mil investment. 0 sp destroys 1.6 mil sp investments. Complete and utter bullshit.

M1 abrams comes back after a battle gets hit with 72 RPGs needs its sights refitted, goes back into battle.

Madruger gets hit with three swarm launchers has to limp back and pray the fourth doesnt come.

This is why you make specializations. AV is a bit much, you get more bang for your buck. Yes you can kill 20+ players if nodda damn one pulls out a swarm from across the map.

False, scrubs puck up AV militia fits and shoot you from halfway across the map dipping in and out of cover, cant touch them but lock on range allows them to be assholes. The isk relation is a very real arguement. 0 destroys a 1mil investment. 0 sp destroys 1.6 mil sp investments. Complete and utter bullshit.

M1 abrams comes back after a battle gets hit with 72 RPGs needs its sights refitted, goes back into battle.

Madruger gets hit with three swarm launchers has to limp back and pray the fourth doesnt come.

This is why you make specializations. AV is a bit much, you get more bang for your buck. Yes you can kill 20+ players if nodda damn one pulls out a swarm from across the map.

Well in RL military (and I know this aint RL). But are bazookas more expensive than tanks? If not I guess it makes sense here.

Doesn't driving take more time and skill to train in than does holding an RPG??

:P


My input...Stop complaining and play. This is a TEAM orientated game. If you got killed by AV infantry...where was your team?

And if you can't afford it don't used it.

False, scrubs puck up AV militia fits and shoot you from halfway across the map dipping in and out of cover, cant touch them but lock on range allows them to be assholes. The isk relation is a very real arguement. 0 destroys a 1mil investment. 0 sp destroys 1.6 mil sp investments. Complete and utter bullshit.

M1 abrams comes back after a battle gets hit with 72 RPGs needs its sights refitted, goes back into battle.

Madruger gets hit with three swarm launchers has to limp back and pray the fourth doesnt come.

This is why you make specializations. AV is a bit much, you get more bang for your buck. Yes you can kill 20+ players if nodda damn one pulls out a swarm from across the map.

Militia swarms and forge guns need to be removed or nerfed TBH.

Anything militia that can OHK should be removed in my opinion.

After reading through this thread I find it funny that a lot of tank drivers demand that it take teamwork to take down their tank, yet they want to run solo through the battlefield and decimate all infantry. If you expect the other team to use teamwork to take down your precious tank, then you must use teamwork to keep your tank alive. Right now the balance between vehicles and AV is the best it has been in this beta.

Like i said backup what you say or dont

not gonna lie u prob fit some **** tanks if 3-4 militia swarms cause u to back up
**** my tank not even at 1M yet and can take a srs beatin

if ur losing a madrugar and surya to militia swarms then tankin aint for u sorry....

My tank would utterly destroy yours, sorry bro, and i was making a point. Ive seen your little corp pull out tanks, needs work. I think its cute seeing them run after one hit.

Militia doesnt need to be at 1200 damage scrubs need less.

lol this is gonna be good....

My tank would utterly destroy yours, sorry bro, and i was making a point. Ive seen your little corp pull out tanks, needs work. I think its cute seeing them run after one hit.

Militia doesnt need to be at 1200 damage scrubs need less.

M1 abrams comes back after a battle gets hit with 72 RPGs needs its sights refitted, goes back into battle.

Madruger gets hit with three swarm launchers has to limp back and pray the fourth doesnt come.

This is why you make specializations. AV is a bit much, you get more bang for your buck. Yes you can kill 20+ players if nodda damn one pulls out a swarm from across the map.

Could it be because multiple people know its true

An M1 Abrams can easily survive the impacts of 72 shaped charges without need of significant repair?

Methinks someone might be exaggerating overmuch...

Besides, a Swarm Launcher is not an RPG, it's more like a swarm of miniaturized FGM-148 Javelins.

How many Javelin missiles can an M1 Abrams take?

1 or 2 maybe- if the crew is lucky? Swarm Launchers shoot 4 or more at a time.