With your tank you have the chance to take out 20+ mercs and might not even lose your precious isk - that is what you pay for.

With AV we get to take out maybe 10 mercs if we're lucky and will definitely die several times because we don't have a primary weapon that can kill infantry (even if the FG can kill mercs, it's not gonna be a lot).

You pay for killing power - not invincibility.

Militia swarms and forge guns need to be removed or nerfed TBH.

Anything militia that can OHK should be removed in my opinion.

When you start rolling 1mill isk tanks then you can start complaining lol

Also i know plenty of tank drivers who completely own matches filled with AV... you know why? because when the enemy start switching to AV suddenly the rest of your team can steam roll them

I like how things are at the moment

people quote all these sp and isk relation to AV and tanks but at the end of the day it depends on who is using it

i run an advanced swarm and militia tanks i can take out easily as long as i dont stand in the open, otherwise the tank will shrewd me.

the same way that the advanced tanks where i struggle on my own, some of the pilots are idiots and goes down easy

No, but people shouldn't be able to just swap out to militia swarms and help the person with proto swarms imo.

Doing 1000+ damage with something that requires 0 sp, 0 ISK and 0 skill is ridiculous.

Man, I could have sworn to god I read this thread seven times today...

Tanks are cheep, My AV suit can cost as much as a tank :p

Great news everybody!

You no longer have to worry solely about broken proto swarm launchers!

Ive been running prototype forge guns. Im sure you're all pleased by this. my daily average is four tanks eaten, and many people randomly blapped.

So rest assured that prototype and militia swarms are no longer your greatest worry, for I have an Ishukone Assault Forge Gun.

And I am here to kill you.

You're complaining because they don't have to spend as much to counter you, as you spend to counter the other 90% of the playerbase?

Considering tanks are only weak to heavy and av, yet counter EVERYONE else...

I think Tanks aren't expensive enough.

Personally - I like where it is.

And militia MUST have av. If it weren't there, tanks would be 100% pub stomp. You want this game to be a ghost town? Keep touting your elitist ideas.

i was having fun for that first week while all the tankers where still skilling up to get their tanks.

now i can't even have a gunfight anymore?

i didn't wanna be an AV guy but whatever, you all forced this upon me. consider your tank a GIANT target that you're drawing all around yourself. because that's how i see you all now.

really, in my eyes you're at the same level as a redline sniper. you're looking for a way to invincibly farm kills, and i'm sick of it.


actually, you know what. on second thought thank you. i destroyed 6 tanks yesterday (including one guy who ended up 35/2. both of those 2, me. so don't get the idea that it's easy), and it was amazing. my raw hatred for you all is an itch that is oh so satisfying to scratch. burn! all of you burn!

"Rage, rage, rage. I'm not raging, but rage, rage rage."

I love you guys.

Take out one of my LOLTanks (I have a couple of different variants), I can probably afford a replacement from the earnings I got in the match.

Take out one of my GOOD tanks, and it'll take me 2 - 3 matches to replace.

Take out a Prototype tank, and that's a good day's work down the drain.

Take out a decently-fitted Forge Gunner with your tank - just one - and he's probably lost more than it cost me to replace my LOLTank. Which, for the record, has over 5000EHP for under 200,000 ISK.

I'm not sure what the problem is here. Tanks are awesome. AV is designed to counter them, but if you're GOOD with your Tank, it requires skill on the enemy's part to actually kill you. They're more likely to put you out of action WITHOUT killing you than they are to actually blow you up... unless they're using those "squad tactics" you want them to, or you screw up.

In one of my LOLTanks, I always know why I died. If I'm killed solo, it's a mid-high tier Forge Gunner, or I got outplayed. Sometimes by a skilled player hitting me from an unexpected direction and sometimes because I made a stupid mistake or pushed my luck going out in the open without support. Other than those scenarios, I don't die to a solo AV player, even when running Militia gear.

Tanks shouldn't be an "I win" button. They should be a credible threat, but a beatable one. And right now, that's exactly what they are. Except Missile tanks. They need their weapons fixed up a little after the nerf (although I haven't played in a few days, so maybe that already happened?).

banning corp mates for low level trolling, jerk....

False, scrubs puck up AV militia fits and shoot you from halfway across the map dipping in and out of cover, cant touch them but lock on range allows them to be assholes. The isk relation is a very real arguement. 0 destroys a 1mil investment. 0 sp destroys 1.6 mil sp investments. Complete and utter bullshit.

M1 abrams comes back after a battle gets hit with 72 RPGs needs its sights refitted, goes back into battle.

Madruger gets hit with three swarm launchers has to limp back and pray the fourth doesnt come.

This is why you make specializations. AV is a bit much, you get more bang for your buck. Yes you can kill 20+ players if nodda damn one pulls out a swarm from across the map.

After reading through this thread I find it funny that a lot of tank drivers demand that it take teamwork to take down their tank, yet they want to run solo through the battlefield and decimate all infantry. If you expect the other team to use teamwork to take down your precious tank, then you must use teamwork to keep your tank alive. Right now the balance between vehicles and AV is the best it has been in this beta.