DUST Search - I know why I am dying so much

Fox Gaden wrote:

I am one of those people who bought a PS3 to play Dust. I have never played on a consul before and have not played a FPS since 1993.

In the last two days I have had several matches where I faced skilled FPS players. The experience was impressive/daunting/scarey but most of all very humbling. (For instance, in my only Corp battle to date we went up against What The French. WTF was certainly my reaction to meeting them in battle. LOL)

A good player with an assault rifle can kill me at their maximum range in the time it takes me to line up a shot with a sniper rifle. And I sport an assault suit with upgraded shield and armour skills, not one of those paper scout suits.

I use cover, and study tactics. I try to play this game smart. But non of that matters when it takes 3 seconds to line up a shot and I am playing against people who can line up their shot as fast as they can move their weapon.

On the up side, I am way better with the controllers than I was when I started about a week before Open Bata. So I think what I need is just practice, practice, Practice! Luckily my wife is going to be away for the next 3 weeks on training. Blink

Now, the points I want to make (all be they random and divers):

- This game does require skill, the kind you canGÇÖt buy in a book using ISK. I know, because I donGÇÖt have it. (Yet?)

- I am an expert at dying, yet I have not encountered a weapon yet that I thought was overpowered. I have been able to figure out how to deal with each one I have encountered... in theory. In practice a girl-scout with a sling shot could probably take me in a straight up fire fight, but I did not make this thread to cry for a nerf to slingshots. Lol

- I have encountered players who are worse than I am. I sure hope they donGÇÖt post nerf threads.

- The frustration of being killed 5 times in a row by the same guy with a laser riffle all goes away when you come over a hill with a sniper rifle and see laser riffle guy standing with his back to you. Give me 10 seconds to aim and even I can get a head shot. Twisted

- Finally, as horrible as I am, I have been thoroughly enjoying this game and the people in it. I would like to tip my hat to the skilled FPS players that I have faced in battle and who have shown me a level of skill I can aspire to.

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Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:15:00 - [31] - Quote Quote: I know this only too well. Sad Dam those side stepping bastards! And the bunny hopping scouts! REALY! About the only way I can hit them is if I miss and they jump into my bullet. Vs bunny hoppers, don't aim where they are in the air, aim where they are going to be landing because when they lift off they cant change their trajectory and it gives you a second or so extra to line up because it takes less setup then trying to track a bunny.
usrevenge2 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 64	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:49:00 - [32] - Quote just get good at the game. I been playing shooters for a long time once you are decent at one shooter you can usually be decent at others.
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative 47	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:55:00 - [33] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I have never played on a consul before and have not played a FPS since 1993. Being born in 1992, this comment makes me feel young.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2013.02.05 23:08:00 - [34] - Quote If i could have add a hundred likes to that thread i would have done it. I was very pleased to know that a Dust University was created a while back and that's typically the type of players i was expecting to see in it. Imo, one dumb stubborn individual ready to ***** at the game for every death or difficulty will never consider joining a teaching corporation as he already knows everything about everything... On the other hand, a player smart enough to take a step back and go "hey, i'm gonna need a hand there" deserves to have the opportunity to learn. So bottom line, congrats on the work there to Dust-Uni. And kudos to the OP for offering such a refreshing post. Oh and to Dust-uni leaders, please do contact me via mail in game to set some specific games.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 72	Posted - 2013.02.06 07:57:00 - [35] - Quote Halador Osiris wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: I have never played on a consul before and have not played a FPS since 1993. Being born in 1992, this comment makes me feel young. Being born in 1977 this comment makes me feel old :p...:/
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2013.02.06 08:01:00 - [36] - Quote TC, welcome to Dust. I just wish all new players (and a few vets) had your attitude.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.02.06 08:16:00 - [37] - Quote Kovak Therim wrote: TC, welcome to Dust. I just wish all new players (and a few vets) had your attitude. Hear, hear.
crazy space 1 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.02.06 08:18:00 - [38] - Quote there should be a matchmaking system..... they said there is one but... yeah... no
Umbat Boki Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2013.02.06 08:22:00 - [39] - Quote If you play with controller, you can consider buying third-party pro controller (xbox like). It'll increase your efficiency in FPS-es.
Wilco75 DUST University Ivy League 11	Posted - 2013.02.06 11:33:00 - [40] - Quote Fox, great post and great thread overall. Nice to see so many supportive responses from experienced players. I was beginning to get tired of all the machismo BS attitude that flared up when we went into open beta. I've been playing since last summer and I'm still dying, lol. Like you I haven't played so many fps games, was never my thing. But Dust is so different somehow, I'm determined to get better. I'm determined to become a real asset to my corp as well and it was first when I joined D-uni and started running with squads that certain things started to make sense. Heck I even learned a thing or two from your OP. thanks for that. Thank you for braving the flames to tell us about your experience thus far. There are many ways to play this thing ,I think. It is, after all, just a game (oh yes I didGÇª) There are new players joining all the time that run circles around me and there are players ,like myself, that have been here for a while, but take time to get good. Now I can survive with style more often than not (though nobody is ever around to see this happen) and am constantly honing the techniques and tactics I learn from others. I look forward to squading up some time.

SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.06 11:35:00 - [41] - Quote You Dust U. guys seem like a pretty awesome bunch. Great thread. +1 We should arrange some more corp matches.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 163	Posted - 2013.02.06 13:17:00 - [42] - Quote I tried using the controller/mouse combination last night. The mouse did give me more precise control of my aim and allowed me to aim more quickly. At mid range I could line up head shots or track moving targets much more easily, and at sniping rang it made it much easier to line up a target. Unfortunately, the mouse sensitivity was not set as high as I am used to and I could not turn fast enough to track a target in close quarter combat, or to quickly scan the horizon for snipers. I also found that my left hand did not know what my right hand was doing. I was fine until I started moving, then I kept running into walls and getting lost. I would probably do better if I used a keyboard with the mouse. If I stuck with the controller/mouse combination I would probably get used to it with a bit of practice. However, one of the things I like most about Dust is the fluid feel of movement using the two sticks on the ergonomically layed out controller. I feel like I have complete control of my movement. I can run in a straight line while looking left, right, or even turning around without altering my direction of travel. My left thumb knows what my right thumb is doing and automatically compensates. The buttons are layed out in a way that I can hit the right button every time. No hitting the wrong key or losing your place on your keyboard. Also my PS3 is in my living room and I already have enough remotes and controllers laying around without adding a keyboard, and to use one effectively I would probably need to have a flat surface to lay it on. This adds to the clutter in a room I donGÇÖt want to look cluttered. Finally, my PS3 only has 2 USB slots so if I use a mouse and headset I have to shuffle USB connections before and after I play in order to keep my headset and control charged. I think I would rather just try to get good with the PS3 controller. It seems that with practice I should be able to approach the accuracy of the mouse with it. It is all about stopping your swing at the exact right moment so that you land on your target the first time without having to jerk back and forth to fine toon your aim. If I am going to be playing for a long stretch I might setup my wireless thumb ball mouse on the coffee table beside me so I can reach down and fine-toon the occasional challenging sniper shot. But I donGÇÖt think I want to become dependent on the mouse.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 163	Posted - 2013.02.06 13:31:00 - [43] - Quote Thanks guys for all the positive responses. It looks like I hit a nerve, in a good way. I just wanted to relate my take on this game and suddenly it seem I have become a role model. I am honoured. Halador Osiris wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: I have never played on a consul before and have not played a FPS since 1993. Being born in 1992, this comment makes me feel young. It gets worse... I played Pong on an original Pong consol in 1982.
fred orpaul Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 211	Posted - 2013.02.06 13:35:00 - [44] - Quote Soldier of Mawat wrote: I appluad your attitude sir. I'm glad you haven't gotten frustrated and given up on this game. Keep at it, one day you will be one of those skilled players who will be killing some poor guy over and over again. he said it, also if you are not a console gamer the switch it KB/M is well worth it.
Talruum Tezztarozza Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 73	Posted - 2013.02.06 13:40:00 - [45] - Quote I cry as soon as I finish reading OP. Why not use KB/M ?? ^^" I am also those who grab PS3 for Dust as well and never play any FPS on console before. I also threw the controller/ headbutt to the wall numerous time during the first two days I started playing this game. I tried and tried. It was like no, impossible, I can't play FPS on console. I simply can't AIM at anything AT ALL. As I'm on the verge of rage quitting. I saw a mouse/keyboard in an option. I suddenly grabbed some random USB keyboard and mouse lying around, plug it in, problem solved :) Try it. even your two decades old FPS experience will be of help.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2013.02.06 14:14:00 - [46] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I am one of those people who bought a PS3 to play Dust. I have never played on a consul before and have not played a FPS since 1993. In the last two days I have had several matches where I faced skilled FPS players. The experience was impressive/daunting/scarey but most of all very humbling. (For instance, in my only Corp battle to date we went up against What The French. WTF was certainly my reaction to meeting them in battle. LOL) A good player with an assault rifle can kill me at their maximum range in the time it takes me to line up a shot with a sniper rifle. And I sport an assault suit with upgraded shield and armour skills, not one of those paper scout suits. I use cover, and study tactics. I try to play this game smart. But non of that matters when it takes 3 seconds to line up a shot and I am playing against people who can line up their shot as fast as they can move their weapon. On the up side, I am way better with the controllers than I was when I started about a week before Open Bata. So I think what I need is just practice, practice, Practice! Luckily my wife is going to be away for the next 3 weeks on training. Now, the points I want to make (all be they random and divers): - This game does require skill, the kind you canGÇÖt buy in a book using ISK. I know, because I donGÇÖt have it. (Yet?) - I am an expert at dying, yet I have not encountered a weapon yet that I thought was overpowered. I have been able to figure out how to deal with each one I have encountered... in theory. In practice a girl-scout with a sling shot could probably take me in a straight up fire fight, but I did not make this thread to cry for a nerf to slingshots. - I have encountered players who are worse than I am. I sure hope they donGÇÖt post nerf threads. - The frustration of being killed 5 times in a row by the same guy with a laser riffle all goes away when you come over a hill with a sniper rifle and see laser riffle guy standing with his back to you. Give me 10 seconds to aim and even I can get a head shot. - Finally, as horrible as I am, I have been thoroughly enjoying this game and the people in it. I would like to tip my hat to the skilled FPS players that I have faced in battle and who have shown me a level of skill I can aspire to. Well said, Fox Gaden, and well fought. For what it's worth, i'm in exactly the same boat as you. Bought my PS3 for DUST, never used a controller before in my life. The learning process has been interesting....and painful lol =) I bought my PS3 before getting beta access and to practice up before hitting DUST i bought a used copy of MAG. Epic spastic antics ensued. I was so bad peeps would basically auto-kick me on sight from the most lowly pub matches. I was called many, many different forms of loser in team chat, in several different lanuages. And I can't say i blame them, tbh. Things have gotten better but there's still a looooooong way to go before I've learned my fps chops. I've(very recently) been where you are right now - you're still working on turning all your clear-headed thinking into muscle memory, and the only answer for that is time-in-combat. But it comes, and if you keep on pushing yourself into situations that are just on the outer edge of what your skills can handle, improvements happen steadily, even if it is a little bruising to the ego =P Looking forward to seeing you on the battlefield, and looking forward to the day you're sending serious pawnage my way. Die well.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2013.02.06 14:36:00 - [47] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Thanks guys for all the positive responses. It looks like I hit a nerve, in a good way. I just wanted to relate my take on this game and suddenly it seem I have become a role model. I am honoured. Halador Osiris wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: I have never played on a consul before and have not played a FPS since 1993. Being born in 1992, this comment makes me feel young. It gets worse... I played Pong on an original Pong consol in 1982. lol - you and me both. And the first computer i ever programmed i had to build first(you know circuit board, resistors, caps, etc). I remember when calculators were a new thing....sigh =P
Corban Lahnder ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2013.02.06 15:54:00 - [48] - Quote What? Maturity? Insight? On these forums?! HERESY! Hes a witch burn him!

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 136	Posted - 2013.02.06 16:29:00 - [49] - Quote Team Dead signing in. I feel the same way as OP does. Dying to left and right, but hey, I have improved, my ratio has gone from 0.23 to 0.50 now, so I can't be all that terrible (or all new mercs are bad making me look good... future will tell). /c

Raech Marcia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.02.06 19:12:00 - [50] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Halador Osiris wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: I have never played on a consul before and have not played a FPS since 1993. Being born in 1992, this comment makes me feel young. Being born in 1977 this comment makes me feel old :p...:/ Well that must make me the grandaddy of u all at 1970 ...+¬p+¬e them was the days.... Zx81's never had these problems LOL

Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 71	Posted - 2013.02.06 23:16:00 - [51] - Quote This is the kind of positivity that we've tried to encourage in DUST University and Fox is a credit to that positivity. o7 We're never going to be the most deadly corp out there, or the most feared. But what we are determined to be is the best thought of. Once the roles mechanics are sorted out and we can put in place a bigger staff, the plan is run it like our sister corp EVE University. In the meantime its just me running it at the moment. So if any corps want to arrange a match , just check into the Chat.D-UNI channel and, if I'm online and send me a message. We also schedule corp Matches from 18.00 Eve time to 08.00, every two hours on Monday to Thursday's and every 90 minutes Friday to Sunday between the same hours, so check them out I usually set them up before going to work between 7.00 eve time and 8.00 eve time. Ohhh to have roles in the build other than CEO and director. I can then delegate.
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis 300	Posted - 2013.02.06 23:49:00 - [52] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: This is the kind of positivity that we've tried to encourage in DUST University and Fox is a credit to that positivity. o7 I think Dust University is a pretty cool guy. Eh, is completely realistic about gameplay experiences, doesn't QQ, and doesnGÇÖt afraid of anything.
Death Scyhe Duni DUST University Ivy League 27	Posted - 2013.02.14 21:02:00 - [53] - Quote Great post Fox. You are getting better from what ive seen. Its been fun to be in corp matches with you.
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2013.02.14 21:25:00 - [54] - Quote Raech Marcia wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Halador Osiris wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: I have never played on a consul before and have not played a FPS since 1993. Being born in 1992, this comment makes me feel young. Being born in 1977 this comment makes me feel old :p...:/ Well that must make me the grandaddy of u all at 1970 ...+¬p+¬e them was the days.... Zx81's never had these problems LOL While I've got nothing on you guys from the 70's I must confess that every time I go counter-sniping I'm constantly thinking "Sniper, no sniping! Sniper, no Sniping!"
Selendri Kosta That's Unfortunate 0	Posted - 2013.02.21 11:03:00 - [55] - Quote Just played a game against you before the downtime. Running around with your mass driver. You got me once ya jerk! :P Haha, anyways, good to see you're still sticking with the game. Keep with it!
Jantha Grahrk Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:41:00 - [56] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I am one of those people who bought a PS3 to play Dust. I have never played on a consul before and have not played a FPS since 1993. In the last two days I have had several matches where I faced skilled FPS players. The experience was impressive/daunting/scarey but most of all very humbling. (For instance, in my only Corp battle to date we went up against What The French. WTF was certainly my reaction to meeting them in battle. LOL) A good player with an assault rifle can kill me at their maximum range in the time it takes me to line up a shot with a sniper rifle. And I sport an assault suit with upgraded shield and armour skills, not one of those paper scout suits. I use cover, and study tactics. I try to play this game smart. But non of that matters when it takes 3 seconds to line up a shot and I am playing against people who can line up their shot as fast as they can move their weapon. On the up side, I am way better with the controllers than I was when I started about a week before Open Bata. So I think what I need is just practice, practice, Practice! Luckily my wife is going to be away for the next 3 weeks on training. Now, the points I want to make (all be they random and divers): - This game does require skill, the kind you canGÇÖt buy in a book using ISK. I know, because I donGÇÖt have it. (Yet?) - I am an expert at dying, yet I have not encountered a weapon yet that I thought was overpowered. I have been able to figure out how to deal with each one I have encountered... in theory. In practice a girl-scout with a sling shot could probably take me in a straight up fire fight, but I did not make this thread to cry for a nerf to slingshots. - I have encountered players who are worse than I am. I sure hope they donGÇÖt post nerf threads. - The frustration of being killed 5 times in a row by the same guy with a laser riffle all goes away when you come over a hill with a sniper rifle and see laser riffle guy standing with his back to you. Give me 10 seconds to aim and even I can get a head shot. - Finally, as horrible as I am, I have been thoroughly enjoying this game and the people in it. I would like to tip my hat to the skilled FPS players that I have faced in battle and who have shown me a level of skill I can aspire to. I salute you, Fox. I relate to every letter of what you have wrote!
BASSMEANT ZionTCD 204	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:50:00 - [57] - Quote "This game does require skill, the kind you canGÇÖt buy in a book using ISK. I know, because I donGÇÖt have it. (Yet?)" gotta say if you aren't trolling, you deserve some respect for that. THAT right there is the number one problem with the console gaming community: they think they are equal to everyone. they aren't. you can't go up against someone who has been playing team based shoooters for 10 years and think you're gonna be equal to them. just ain't never gonna happen. you can play for 10 years but unless that guy quits... he is now 20 years experienced vs your 10. so the devs come along and put training wheels in place to keep the casuals from finding out what you posted. red lines, FF off, V2K off, nerf, nerf, pussify. all those things and more are training wheels for the masses. they go a long way toward creating the illusion of player balance. of course the vages will claim that's not true... until you turn all those things on and then the vages will run screaming to the forums about how "they can't handle the truth" and need more protection from the ass kickings they are getting. keep playing and you'll get better. blame the game and you'll never change. 1 thing though: put down the sniper rifle. it's useless and you're useless to your team when you use it. get better at cutting your response time down. but don't do it with a sniper rifle. it's a waste of time. Peace B
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 2	Posted - 2013.04.23 18:01:00 - [58] - Quote Play and learn. Don't go solo. Try medic and shadow. But most important is pick a role and stick to it. Get awesome in it. Don't try for doing everything. FPS Vets didn't get good over night. You want to snipe? Then Snipe, At the objective's. COVER objectives. I secure and hold with my shotty and c4s. But it's always a big help if after my c4 eats a few, that I have to only worry about one target instead of two.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 618	Posted - 2013.04.23 18:22:00 - [59] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: It gets worse... I played Pong on an original Pong consol in 1982. Played it too, but that was a few years later. Also, as a sniper use mouse+DS3 combo if you want to do well. However if you want to get good at handling the DS3 then sniping is actually a rather good way of building the muscle memory required to do fine-adjustments and in general aim.
Maken Tosch OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT 2098	Posted - 2013.04.23 18:36:00 - [60] - Quote Finally, someone who understands the concept of adapt or die.



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