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Deadeyes Anterie
Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.05 12:47:00 -
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I've never experienced a tank camp from the mountain before, but it proved to be match breaking. I'm wondering what the general thoughts are on what could have been done to counter him?
I still can't believe how badly screwed we got at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oar8vxI7V7w&feature=youtu.be |
Sir Meode
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
317
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Posted - 2013.02.05 12:51:00 -
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Ahh scrubbery at its best. |
Repe Susi
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
249
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Posted - 2013.02.05 12:53:00 -
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That is fantastic that you guys went hunting him. Too bad about that disconnect tho lol. |
Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
91
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Posted - 2013.02.05 12:54:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:I've never experienced a tank camp from the mountain before, but it proved to be match breaking. I'm wondering what the general thoughts are on what could have been done to counter him? I still can't believe how badly screwed we got at the end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oar8vxI7V7w&feature=youtu.be
You can go there where the tank is. You just need to pass some seconds in the red line, but then you just go from behind, package granades with a nanohive and done. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.05 12:55:00 -
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Sir Meode wrote:Ahh scrubbery at its best.
I'm just curious how you would have handled the tank?
I have a feeling this won't be the last time I encounter this situation. With dropships, tanks, forge guns, and missiles not working when he is on the hill it seems like kind of a problem. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.05 12:57:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:
You can go there where the tank is. You just need to pass some seconds in the red line, but then you just go from behind,
package granades with a nanohive and done.
We took a LAV up behind him and started fragging him, he just drove off the mountain :(, decided at that point to just focus WP for the airstrike. |
Yagihige
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:02:00 -
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You sure there's no chance to hit him with a forge gun? |
Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
91
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:07:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:
You can go there where the tank is. You just need to pass some seconds in the red line, but then you just go from behind,
package granades with a nanohive and done.
We took a LAV up behind him and started fragging him, he just drove off the mountain :(, decided at that point to just focus WP for the airstrike.
If you know how he plays, just talk with some friend and wait for him down in the ground. Update your granade skills, it's very usefull. A "sniper tank" it's kinda easy to kill, because they need time to get speed so you can spam at least 4 granades. Just with 1 one friend you can spam I don't know, at least 6, 7. I don't know how much granades do you need to destroy a Madrugar for example, but with 5/6 package granades, you can destroy a madrugar with 5000 armor (more or less).
If he goes down, just talk with some friend to wait for him with a forge gun, or a rocket launcher, or more grandes.
1 vs 1 against a tank, it's more difficult, but it can be possible too. You can use remote explosives too. If he's sniping, just drop it close to him, then spam granades. You can try different ways. Keep trying.
Sorry for the english. See you.
PS: proximity explosives works too. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:07:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:You sure there's no chance to hit him with a forge gun?
His absurd height advantage means any forge heavies within range are fully exposed to his particle cannon. A few heavies tried it, they all ended up incinerated. Even if one did knock some shield off he could reverse and be out of range in about a second to recharge, then roll out and pop more guys. It seems really strange that the only way to kill the tank is to run through their redline. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION
269
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:11:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:
You can go there where the tank is. You just need to pass some seconds in the red line, but then you just go from behind,
package granades with a nanohive and done.
We took a LAV up behind him and started fragging him, he just drove off the mountain :(, decided at that point to just focus WP for the airstrike. If you know how he plays, just talk with some friend and wait for him down in the ground. Update your granade skills, it's very usefull. A "sniper tank" it's kinda easy to kill, because they need time to get speed so you can spam at least 4 granades. Just with 1 one friend you can spam I don't know, at least 6, 7. I don't know how much granades do you need to destroy a Madrugar for example, but with 5/6 package granades, you can destroy a madrugar with 5000 armor (more or less). If he goes down, just talk with some friend to wait for him with a forge gun, or a rocket launcher, or more grandes. 1 vs 1 against a tank, it's more difficult, but it can be possible too. You can use remote explosives too. If he's sniping, just drop it close to him, then spam granades. You can try different ways. Keep trying. Sorry for the english. See you. PS: proximity explosives works too.
Thanks for the advice, I guess when a tank is that well protected that it takes 3-4x the people to take it down passing through the enemy red line it seems like a map problem. Most of the time you can ignore a really powerful tank and still have some hope of winning on other objectives. When the tank can target every objective at the same time from one location, and the only way to kill him is to come up behind him fully exposed (look what happened to the guy before me on the hill) it seems like a pretty big advantage for one side. |
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:13:00 -
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It's the redline that causes this problem. Tank or infantry sniper makes no difference, to be getting kills in a "safe" area is a byproduct of **** poor map design. |
Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
91
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:15:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:
You can go there where the tank is. You just need to pass some seconds in the red line, but then you just go from behind,
package granades with a nanohive and done.
We took a LAV up behind him and started fragging him, he just drove off the mountain :(, decided at that point to just focus WP for the airstrike. If you know how he plays, just talk with some friend and wait for him down in the ground. Update your granade skills, it's very usefull. A "sniper tank" it's kinda easy to kill, because they need time to get speed so you can spam at least 4 granades. Just with 1 one friend you can spam I don't know, at least 6, 7. I don't know how much granades do you need to destroy a Madrugar for example, but with 5/6 package granades, you can destroy a madrugar with 5000 armor (more or less). If he goes down, just talk with some friend to wait for him with a forge gun, or a rocket launcher, or more grandes. 1 vs 1 against a tank, it's more difficult, but it can be possible too. You can use remote explosives too. If he's sniping, just drop it close to him, then spam granades. You can try different ways. Keep trying. Sorry for the english. See you. PS: proximity explosives works too. Thanks for the advice, I guess when a tank is that well protected that it takes 3-4x the people to take it down passing through the enemy red line it seems like a map problem. Most of the time you can ignore a really powerful tank and still have some hope of winning on other objectives. When the tank can target every objective at the same time from one location, and the only way to kill him is to come up behind him fully exposed (look what happened to the guy before me on the hill) it seems like a pretty big advantage for one side.
Well, you must think that he invests his sp and isk in tanks. Yeah, it's powerfull, but he takes more risk if he loses his tank. So, a 80 000 ISK suit can't kill easy a 500 000 ISK tank, I mean, it's not ok if you can do it with 1 granade. |
Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
91
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:16:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:It's the redline that causes this problem. Tank or infantry sniper makes no difference, to be getting kills in a "safe" area is a byproduct of **** poor map design.
In this case, you can go where the tank is.
Edited: but yes, some maps have "interesting" red line designs |
Deadeyes Anterie
Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION
269
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:19:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:
Well, you must think that he invests his sp and isk in tanks. Yeah, it's powerfull, but he takes more risk if he loses his tank. So, a 80 000 ISK suit can't kill easy a 500 000 ISK tank, I mean, it's not ok if you can do it with 1 granade.
My issue is with the map, not with his tank. I have no issues with tanks on other maps, mostly because they can't shoot into every single objective while being well protected by the map at the same time. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
208
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:20:00 -
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My only advice ... you're not going to kill a tank with that assault rifle !
You were there ... in range with cover ... you just needed some swarm skills ... advanced swarm with 2x enhanced damage mods fits on a type 1 suit with a militia cpu enhancer and an armor plate ... it's cheap, does a hella damage and 3 of them in a LAV would have popped any HAV currently fielded before he reached the bottom of that hill you watched him descend.
Also your OB could have hit him anywhere you wanted there was only one point along his route to under the MCC that he could have changed direction ... lead the target and it'll come down center mass ... especially on that sharp bend near the end where he had to slow down.
Good job posting this HAV sniper position ... now they'll all be up there ... saving grace is we also see how to attack ... just need the right tools for the job ! |
Deadeyes Anterie
Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION
269
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:21:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:It's the redline that causes this problem. Tank or infantry sniper makes no difference, to be getting kills in a "safe" area is a byproduct of **** poor map design. In this case, you can go where the tank is. Edited: but yes, some maps have "interesting" red line designs
I don't think it's possible to get a tank up there for the northern team. (20 sec climing that hill would be really close) Having a tank on that mountain will at the very least draw 2-3 players off the battlefield to deal with it, and in the meantime wreck havok on all the objectives. If only one team can take advantage of that it seems a bit unfair. |
Snagman 313
Carbon 7
41
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:22:00 -
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I used to deal with this quite a bit during the pre missle nerf days. My own way of dealing with them is to load a militia armour tank with a Lg rail turret and just hit him from across the map. Either you'll destroy him (unlikely) or you'll drive him back into cover or out of his position, the latter is preferable as the tanker will usually expose himself as he then comes to hunt you down.
In such a situation it's imperative that you are AV armed and some of your team is as well and on comms. Mainly because there is a good chance he is a better tanker than you are if you are in this situation. So hit him a bit with your cheap tank then about halfway through the slog BAIL, I cannot stress this enough if you are an AV skilled player at all leave the tank he will keep shooting it. The enemy players who tend to use the above tactic usually follow this trend and the tank also gives you some handy cover for you to finish him off from.
Also before people ask why I used Armour tanks in the pre missile nerf days, simple I'm a heavy with lot's of sp in armour more for them to chew through, and now it's even more useful.
I hope this helps you a bit,
Snag |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:24:00 -
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Snagman 313 wrote:I used to deal with this quite a bit during the pre missle nerf days. My own way of dealing with them is to load a militia armour tank with a Lg rail turret and just hit him from across the map. Either you'll destroy him (unlikely) or you'll drive him back into cover or out of his position, the latter is preferable as the tanker will usually expose himself as he then comes to hunt you down.
In such a situation it's imperative that you are AV armed and some of your team is as well and on comms. Mainly because there is a good chance he is a better tanker than you are if you are in this situation. So hit him a bit with your cheap tank then about halfway through the slog BAIL, I cannot stress this enough if you are an AV skilled player at all leave the tank he will keep shooting it. The enemy players who tend to use the above tactic usually follow this trend and the tank also give you some handy cover.
Also before people ask why I used Armour tanks in the pre missile nerf days, simple I'm a heavy with lot's of sp in armour more for them to chew through, and now it's even more useful.
I hope this helps you a bit,
Snag
If you don't have a good tank you will get one shot by those rails. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION
269
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:25:00 -
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Snagman 313 wrote:I used to deal with this quite a bit during the pre missle nerf days. My own way of dealing with them is to load a militia armour tank with a Lg rail turret and just hit him from across the map. Either you'll destroy him (unlikely) or you'll drive him back into cover or out of his position, the latter is preferable as the tanker will usually expose himself as he then comes to hunt you down.
In such a situation it's imperative that you are AV armed and some of your team is as well and on comms. Mainly because there is a good chance he is a better tanker than you are if you are in this situation. So hit him a bit with your cheap tank then about halfway through the slog BAIL, I cannot stress this enough if you are an AV skilled player at all leave the tank he will keep shooting it. The enemy players who tend to use the above tactic usually follow this trend and the tank also gives you some handy cover for you to finish him off from.
Also before people ask why I used Armour tanks in the pre missile nerf days, simple I'm a heavy with lot's of sp in armour more for them to chew through, and now it's even more useful.
I hope this helps you a bit,
Snag
In retrospect we should have had some kind of Anti-Armor waiting below in case he fled the hill. It was the first time dealing with the situation and it was a bit sloppy. Thanks for the good advice. We had a nanohive, and all had AV nades he would have been down at about the same speed as if we were AV Heavies. The hole in our plan was him fleeing. |
Brush Master
HavoK Core
163
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:37:00 -
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Bad Furry, Trolling with his tank since 2012 rofl. Know whats funny? he runs with militia level tanks (for now haha) with the highest powered guns lol. I've had good times both killing his tanks and running with him. Nice vid. I'm sure he will find this thread, if not I'll be sure to mention it. Good times |
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Deadeyes Anterie
Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION
269
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:40:00 -
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Brush Master wrote:Bad Furry, Trolling with his tank since 2012 rofl. Know whats funny? he runs with militia level tanks (for now haha) with the highest powered guns lol. I've had good times both killing his tanks and running with him. Nice vid. I'm sure he will find this thread, if not I'll be sure to mention it. Good times
Yeah no Ill will towards the guy, I would have been a lot happier if we fried him a few seconds before downtime though |
TonythaTIGGA
Amat Al'Mawat Militia
10
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:40:00 -
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facepalm*
I never should have introduced him to that....
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Deadeyes Anterie
Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION
269
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:41:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Brush Master wrote:Bad Furry, Trolling with his tank since 2012 rofl. Know whats funny? he runs with militia level tanks (for now haha) with the highest powered guns lol. I've had good times both killing his tanks and running with him. Nice vid. I'm sure he will find this thread, if not I'll be sure to mention it. Good times
Yeah no Ill will towards the guy, I would have been a lot happier if we fried him a few seconds before downtime though
His team all owe him that victory that's for sure. |
Brush Master
HavoK Core
163
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:58:00 -
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btw, what device did you use to record the video. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Crimson Ravens Talons RISE of LEGION
269
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Posted - 2013.02.05 14:06:00 -
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hauppauge hd pvr
It broke about 4 months in, they replace it with a new one (I paid shipping) but was still happy. I can only record in 720p though because I have a cheap TV. It would look better if you had a real 1080p HD TV.
It's nice for recording and really easy on the PC since it does all the processing in unit. |
Snagman 313
Carbon 7
41
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Posted - 2013.02.05 14:47:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Snagman 313 wrote:I used to deal with this quite a bit during the pre missle nerf days. My own way of dealing with them is to load a militia armour tank with a Lg rail turret and just hit him from across the map. Either you'll destroy him (unlikely) or you'll drive him back into cover or out of his position, the latter is preferable as the tanker will usually expose himself as he then comes to hunt you down.
In such a situation it's imperative that you are AV armed and some of your team is as well and on comms. Mainly because there is a good chance he is a better tanker than you are if you are in this situation. So hit him a bit with your cheap tank then about halfway through the slog BAIL, I cannot stress this enough if you are an AV skilled player at all leave the tank he will keep shooting it. The enemy players who tend to use the above tactic usually follow this trend and the tank also give you some handy cover.
Also before people ask why I used Armour tanks in the pre missile nerf days, simple I'm a heavy with lot's of sp in armour more for them to chew through, and now it's even more useful.
I hope this helps you a bit,
Snag If you don't have a good tank you will get one shot by those rails.
If the rails are not on my side I destroy them, just SOP.
It doesn't always help out our team but it removes the enemies chance of using them as well and gives me a chance to use my 'rubbish' militia tanks.
regards
Snag |
Snagman 313
Carbon 7
41
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Posted - 2013.02.05 14:50:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Snagman 313 wrote:I used to deal with this quite a bit during the pre missle nerf days. My own way of dealing with them is to load a militia armour tank with a Lg rail turret and just hit him from across the map. Either you'll destroy him (unlikely) or you'll drive him back into cover or out of his position, the latter is preferable as the tanker will usually expose himself as he then comes to hunt you down.
In such a situation it's imperative that you are AV armed and some of your team is as well and on comms. Mainly because there is a good chance he is a better tanker than you are if you are in this situation. So hit him a bit with your cheap tank then about halfway through the slog BAIL, I cannot stress this enough if you are an AV skilled player at all leave the tank he will keep shooting it. The enemy players who tend to use the above tactic usually follow this trend and the tank also gives you some handy cover for you to finish him off from.
Also before people ask why I used Armour tanks in the pre missile nerf days, simple I'm a heavy with lot's of sp in armour more for them to chew through, and now it's even more useful.
I hope this helps you a bit,
Snag In retrospect we should have had some kind of Anti-Armor waiting below in case he fled the hill. It was the first time dealing with the situation and it was a bit sloppy. Thanks for the good advice. We had a nanohive, and all had AV nades he would have been down at about the same speed as if we were AV Heavies. The hole in our plan was him fleeing.
Well the game has a harsh learning curve and now you are a lot better equipped to deal with it next time. I'm glad that I could help if only a bit. As a wise man once said 'Experience is only something you get AFTER you need it'.
All the best lads!!
Snag |
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GM Vegas
Game Masters C C P Alliance
308
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Posted - 2013.02.05 14:56:00 -
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That was some good stuff! .. Damn downtime! :p |
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Richard Sebire
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.02.05 14:59:00 -
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What map is this red line exploit on? Which corner? |
SCAT mania
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
76
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Posted - 2013.02.05 15:06:00 -
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Richard Sebire wrote:What map is this red line exploit on? Which corner? would this be called an exploit or just good strategy? its not like it was impossible for both teams to get up there. |
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