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Deadeyes Anterie
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Posted - 2013.02.05 12:47:00 -
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I've never experienced a tank camp from the mountain before, but it proved to be match breaking. I'm wondering what the general thoughts are on what could have been done to counter him?
I still can't believe how badly screwed we got at the end.
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Deadeyes Anterie
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Posted - 2013.02.05 12:55:00 -
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Sir Meode wrote:Ahh scrubbery at its best.
I'm just curious how you would have handled the tank?
I have a feeling this won't be the last time I encounter this situation. With dropships, tanks, forge guns, and missiles not working when he is on the hill it seems like kind of a problem. |
Deadeyes Anterie
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Posted - 2013.02.05 12:57:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:
You can go there where the tank is. You just need to pass some seconds in the red line, but then you just go from behind,
package granades with a nanohive and done.
We took a LAV up behind him and started fragging him, he just drove off the mountain :(, decided at that point to just focus WP for the airstrike. |
Deadeyes Anterie
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:07:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:You sure there's no chance to hit him with a forge gun?
His absurd height advantage means any forge heavies within range are fully exposed to his particle cannon. A few heavies tried it, they all ended up incinerated. Even if one did knock some shield off he could reverse and be out of range in about a second to recharge, then roll out and pop more guys. It seems really strange that the only way to kill the tank is to run through their redline. |
Deadeyes Anterie
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:11:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:
You can go there where the tank is. You just need to pass some seconds in the red line, but then you just go from behind,
package granades with a nanohive and done.
We took a LAV up behind him and started fragging him, he just drove off the mountain :(, decided at that point to just focus WP for the airstrike. If you know how he plays, just talk with some friend and wait for him down in the ground. Update your granade skills, it's very usefull. A "sniper tank" it's kinda easy to kill, because they need time to get speed so you can spam at least 4 granades. Just with 1 one friend you can spam I don't know, at least 6, 7. I don't know how much granades do you need to destroy a Madrugar for example, but with 5/6 package granades, you can destroy a madrugar with 5000 armor (more or less). If he goes down, just talk with some friend to wait for him with a forge gun, or a rocket launcher, or more grandes. 1 vs 1 against a tank, it's more difficult, but it can be possible too. You can use remote explosives too. If he's sniping, just drop it close to him, then spam granades. You can try different ways. Keep trying. Sorry for the english. See you. PS: proximity explosives works too.
Thanks for the advice, I guess when a tank is that well protected that it takes 3-4x the people to take it down passing through the enemy red line it seems like a map problem. Most of the time you can ignore a really powerful tank and still have some hope of winning on other objectives. When the tank can target every objective at the same time from one location, and the only way to kill him is to come up behind him fully exposed (look what happened to the guy before me on the hill) it seems like a pretty big advantage for one side. |
Deadeyes Anterie
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:19:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:
Well, you must think that he invests his sp and isk in tanks. Yeah, it's powerfull, but he takes more risk if he loses his tank. So, a 80 000 ISK suit can't kill easy a 500 000 ISK tank, I mean, it's not ok if you can do it with 1 granade.
My issue is with the map, not with his tank. I have no issues with tanks on other maps, mostly because they can't shoot into every single objective while being well protected by the map at the same time. |
Deadeyes Anterie
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:21:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:It's the redline that causes this problem. Tank or infantry sniper makes no difference, to be getting kills in a "safe" area is a byproduct of **** poor map design. In this case, you can go where the tank is. Edited: but yes, some maps have "interesting" red line designs
I don't think it's possible to get a tank up there for the northern team. (20 sec climing that hill would be really close) Having a tank on that mountain will at the very least draw 2-3 players off the battlefield to deal with it, and in the meantime wreck havok on all the objectives. If only one team can take advantage of that it seems a bit unfair. |
Deadeyes Anterie
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:25:00 -
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Snagman 313 wrote:I used to deal with this quite a bit during the pre missle nerf days. My own way of dealing with them is to load a militia armour tank with a Lg rail turret and just hit him from across the map. Either you'll destroy him (unlikely) or you'll drive him back into cover or out of his position, the latter is preferable as the tanker will usually expose himself as he then comes to hunt you down.
In such a situation it's imperative that you are AV armed and some of your team is as well and on comms. Mainly because there is a good chance he is a better tanker than you are if you are in this situation. So hit him a bit with your cheap tank then about halfway through the slog BAIL, I cannot stress this enough if you are an AV skilled player at all leave the tank he will keep shooting it. The enemy players who tend to use the above tactic usually follow this trend and the tank also gives you some handy cover for you to finish him off from.
Also before people ask why I used Armour tanks in the pre missile nerf days, simple I'm a heavy with lot's of sp in armour more for them to chew through, and now it's even more useful.
I hope this helps you a bit,
Snag
In retrospect we should have had some kind of Anti-Armor waiting below in case he fled the hill. It was the first time dealing with the situation and it was a bit sloppy. Thanks for the good advice. We had a nanohive, and all had AV nades he would have been down at about the same speed as if we were AV Heavies. The hole in our plan was him fleeing. |
Deadeyes Anterie
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:40:00 -
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Brush Master wrote:Bad Furry, Trolling with his tank since 2012 rofl. Know whats funny? he runs with militia level tanks (for now haha) with the highest powered guns lol. I've had good times both killing his tanks and running with him. Nice vid. I'm sure he will find this thread, if not I'll be sure to mention it. Good times
Yeah no Ill will towards the guy, I would have been a lot happier if we fried him a few seconds before downtime though |
Deadeyes Anterie
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:41:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Brush Master wrote:Bad Furry, Trolling with his tank since 2012 rofl. Know whats funny? he runs with militia level tanks (for now haha) with the highest powered guns lol. I've had good times both killing his tanks and running with him. Nice vid. I'm sure he will find this thread, if not I'll be sure to mention it. Good times
Yeah no Ill will towards the guy, I would have been a lot happier if we fried him a few seconds before downtime though
His team all owe him that victory that's for sure. |
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Deadeyes Anterie
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Posted - 2013.02.05 14:06:00 -
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hauppauge hd pvr
It broke about 4 months in, they replace it with a new one (I paid shipping) but was still happy. I can only record in 720p though because I have a cheap TV. It would look better if you had a real 1080p HD TV.
It's nice for recording and really easy on the PC since it does all the processing in unit. |
Deadeyes Anterie
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Posted - 2013.02.05 15:49:00 -
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slap26 wrote:Another tank would have tore him up, particularly because for some reason dust tanks don't have any gun depression, so he would have to pull forward giving the opposing tanker a clean shot while he would have to deal with cover.
So it's possible to get a tank through the redline? I'm not a tank driver, but I do know they tend to be pretty damn slow uphill. The LAV took about 12 seconds to get through the redline, then again I did spin out a bit. |
Deadeyes Anterie
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Posted - 2013.02.05 16:00:00 -
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Makes sense Slap, I didn't really think about how he would actually be at a disadvantage in a tank fight because he can't naturally aim below the tank, well he could still retreat I suppose so nobody wins, but then you have him suppressed from coming back out to shoot. Guess it's about time I start training some tank skills. |
Deadeyes Anterie
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Posted - 2013.02.05 16:14:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:
He could just blast the other tank as it's being dropped off. He can see the entire map, remember?
I think if you called the tank in your own redline you would be pretty safe. He could hit all of the map that was being contested, however there were some building in the northern spawn that would probably be relatively safe to bring it in at. Still a big time suck to deal with him. I think tank on the ridge is a dominant strategy for the map, even if it is dealt with you are taking more soldiers off the active objective battlefield.
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Deadeyes Anterie
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Posted - 2013.04.11 08:47:00 -
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This two month old thread is still alive!?!
Haha it's not really a problem, I've learned quite a few good ways to counter this in the last 2 months. |
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