In WW2... or any war... tanks didnt go rushing into a mass of enemies thinking they could take on the world, they held positions and moved up as infantry took territory in front of them. Some people may call these -real- tank drivers of past and present as pussies, but its more in line of being smart and not wanting to die (and actually fulfilling their role)


Maybe more tank drivers should be less stupid? All the good ones are cautious and dont over extend.

In WW2... or any war... tanks didnt go rushing into a mass of enemies thinking they could take on the world, they held positions and moved up as infantry took territory in front of them. Some people may call these -real- tank drivers of past and present as pussies, but its more in line of being smart and not wanting to die (and actually fulfilling their role)


Maybe more tank drivers should be less stupid? All the good ones are cautious and dont over extend.

Yes, that is how it should be. It's also how you have to drive a tank in DUST. In regards to your first sentence, current M1 Abrams in the US Army stroll down the streets of the Middle East and just absorb RPG's without much problems.

yes. also your soma isn't "well tanked" if it can't take a militia swarm.

i think the simplest possible solution is to remove the AV starter fit. 99% of problem solved right there. swarms/forges don't get nerfed, god tanks don't make a return, and the tank becomes feared again.

you have a dedicated AV fit, congrats i will fear you. you don't? SOL buddy.

AV nades could be harder to get, there should be sacrifice to combat effectiveness to run something a tank needs to worry about. perhaps they should take tons of cpu of pg? (i don't like the nerf word)

yes. also your soma isn't "well tanked" if it can't take a militia swarm.

i think the simplest possible solution is to remove the AV starter fit. 99% of problem solved right there. swarms/forges don't get nerfed, god tanks don't make a return, and the tank becomes feared again.

you have a dedicated AV fit, congrats i will fear you. you don't? SOL buddy.

AV nades could be harder to get, there should be sacrifice to combat effectiveness to run something a tank needs to worry about. perhaps they should take tons of cpu of pg? (i don't like the nerf word)

Yeah, but even Abrams wont go push the line of a heavy fire fight, they will at most go forward with the troops, they never go ahead.

yes. also your soma isn't "well tanked" if it can't take a militia swarm.

i think the simplest possible solution is to remove the AV starter fit. 99% of problem solved right there. swarms/forges don't get nerfed, god tanks don't make a return, and the tank becomes feared again.

you have a dedicated AV fit, congrats i will fear you. you don't? SOL buddy.

AV nades could be harder to get, there should be sacrifice to combat effectiveness to run something a tank needs to worry about. perhaps they should take tons of cpu of pg? (i don't like the nerf word)

I feel like they should remove the AV Starter kit too. If people want to kill tanks, they should just be required to stop on by to the market any buy the stuff themselves instead of having an easy access to free Swarm Launchers. And just in all honesty, remove AV Grenades. Replace them with AT mines or something. A grenade that can go through tank armor? Please.

Wow.

If you are getting killed by AV grenades it's because you are doing CQB with infantry.

Your squad is also not protecting you.

You should lose those fights.

Everything else is OP, why not have the tanks scale up with the rest of everything?

Umm no? they let the common man or logi at least attempt to take out a tank.

but once people get the higher tier tanks it wont make much of a difference if someone is lobbing grenades at them because they will be able to out rep or out last the nade thrower.

tiny sticks to scare away big mean tanks... working as intended.

Are you referring to paper thin militia tanks?

thanks feel like big heavies.

and that really is all there is to them. just a different class of weapon takes to destroy them and there is definitely no shortage in that.

i do like being immune to snipers, even though they still constantly shoot at my tank anyway.

hard part is keeping them under 200k so i still make isk a match because i know i will lose the tank.

I heard something about removing AV equipment for starters...Wtf? No. Just stahp. STAHP.


Seriously. AV stuff is there to give some kinda defense against tanks and dropships if they come along. You know how messed up the game would be if there was no starter AV stuff? Lots.

I heard something about removing AV equipment for starters...Wtf? No. Just stahp. STAHP.


Seriously. AV stuff is there to give some kinda defense against tanks and dropships if they come along. You know how messed up the game would be if there was no starter AV stuff? Lots.

I heard something about removing AV equipment for starters...Wtf? No. Just stahp. STAHP.


Seriously. AV stuff is there to give some kinda defense against tanks and dropships if they come along. You know how messed up the game would be if there was no starter AV stuff? Lots.

Obviously half of you don't fully grasp what I was saying.

Tanks should act like Tanks are supposed to. Killing infantry, securing positions, etc. The one problem many tank drivers have isn't about 'positioning' or 'staying safe'. It is that a 50k SP scrub who started playing 15 minutes ago has access to weaponry that can kill even the most skilled tank drivers.

It is NOT about, "OMG YOU IDIOT DONT GET CAUGHT BY INFANTRY LOL BAD TANK DRIVER QUIT NOW"

Its the fact that tanks, for the most part, do not leave an impression. They have far too many counters for the amount of SP people dump into them.

Finally someone asking for a buff instead of a nerf. That said I am not sure if tanks need much work. They were quite powerful and dominated the battlefield before. They still do damage, but it is now possible to take them out.

Also I find there are powerful tanks and some people do know how to fit them to make them quite hard to destroy. That said there is an attack plan for everything, so everything can be taken down by something else with the right preparation.

Obviously half of you don't fully grasp what I was saying.

Tanks should act like Tanks are supposed to. Killing infantry, securing positions, etc. The one problem many tank drivers have isn't about 'positioning' or 'staying safe'. It is that a 50k SP scrub who started playing 15 minutes ago has access to weaponry that can kill even the most skilled tank drivers.

It is NOT about, "OMG YOU IDIOT DONT GET CAUGHT BY INFANTRY LOL BAD TANK DRIVER QUIT NOW"

Its the fact that tanks, for the most part, do not leave an impression. They have far too many counters for the amount of SP people dump into them.

Anyone who says av gernades are fine is a moron who has never touched vehicles or just hates them all together. Second if militia swarms can go across the map so a forge gun should also or limit it to similar distances.

And for the kid having trouble with a soma, get your mechanics level to 5 FIRST and for most. Then get armor upgrades to level 1 and armor reps too. After that get armor hardener to level 1 and use the active hardeners! After that go for large blasters to lvl 2 and use scattered blaster. This is part of tanking for dummies! <--- this book is in no way related to Mr. Zitro's Survival Guide

Not just Militia tanks. Those are basically on par with Rookie ships in EVE. I have seen Gunloggi's melt from just being poked at by infantry.

5000+ EHP tank

I can do that with a Sica.

Are you counting your reps in the EHP for the scenario, though? Because if not, they probably add about 500 to your total when you're up against 2 Militia Swarms.

Which isn't a lot, especially if you're an Armour tank. Shield Tanks fare much better in dealing with Swarms. But we get slaughtered by Flux Grenades and Laser Rifles, so it balances out.

I love tanks. I really do. I have one problem about them though.

They aren't OP.

You are all probably thinking, "Wow what a tard, wanting OP tanks!"
Everything else is OP, why not have the tanks scale up with the rest of everything?

Lets think about it for a minute. A tank should be an Infantry Support vehicle. It should make a presence on the battlefield, forcing infantry to take cover and call in their own tanks to kill you.

During WWII the Sherman tank was meant to keep infantry huddled up in a corner until they can call in some air support or have a Tiger take it out. That is how tanks should be handled, like they were originally designed. Every German soldier didn't have an Anti-Tank rocket, why should everyone in DUST? I felt like this was the same problem in Battlefield. There is just no incentive to get into a tank knowing everybody and their grandmother have access to a powerful Anti-Tank solution immediately upon respawning.

The tanks in DUST have two problems: they have no splash damage and they die WAY too quickly by infantry, the one thing they are supposed to suppress. Even a well tanked Soma can die to a single newbie with a Militia Swarm Launcher or Militia AV Grenades.

"Well try to not get in a bad position to get hit with AV Grenades," some of you may say. That isn't the point. People should be saying, "Oh my God they have a tank," instead of ,"Sweet Jesus a full tank! Free Points!"

Now onto tank damage. Its big, but only against other vehicles. Sure, you can just keep popping jeeps with a 80GJ Railgun but I feel that is NOT what a tank should be meant for. Just killing Jeeps. So I would like to see splash damage. Not necessarily from the Railgun, but from the Blaster too.

The Railguns I can see having low splash damage. Its a solid chunk of non explosive metal streaking to its target.

Blasters on the other hand need to change. Having to hit someone square in the chest 4-6 times with a Large tank mounted weapon seems completely idiotic. It's a Large Blaster, not a machine gun. Blasters in the EVE universe fire "globs" of superheated plasma at a target. It should at least have some splash damage.

But that is just my two cents. I understand half of you will disagree with me, but as a Tank driver I just want to express my ideas.

I put forward a suggestion in a thread I made a few weeks back to redo our current HAVs to be Tank Destroyers, and release the MAV as a "tank", since you used WWII as an example.

OP, you're just not a smart tank driver. I drive a completely Militia fit tank and effectively get average 20 kills and 2-3 deaths per match. Sometimes I go 30-1. If you're dying as much as you say you are, you're doing it wrong.

Part of driving a good tank is having a good team that you can rely on to watch other fields of view. If you have no targets, let your front gunner spot them for you. Use your turret to get your rear right and your top turret to get your rear left.

When it comes to killing infantry, I think the blaster turret is well balanced. You SHOULD NOT be able to kill infantry in 1-2 shots. THAT would be OP. Also, work on your driving skills/situational awarenees. Having a mental layout of the place can help you avoid being blown up as you can be rather evasive. By the the enemy team is sick of fighting my tank, half of them are fit up with AV fits. The best part about that, is I let the Blueberries do their jobs. I don't get bloodthirsty and try to make that next kill (well, sometimes I do, and it usually gets me killed, but it's rare). Being that the enemy team is half AV, that allows your team of assault and heavies. Those boys will tear up the AV if you let them.

As far as tanks go, if you get a REALLY high KDR, that's because the enemy team won't stop and buckle down to take you out. If you're against a skilled team, you'll need to rely on your blueberries more, accept the fact you won't get many kills as you're the biggest target on the field, and be happy with the 8+ kills that you do get. Your role is EXTREME suppressive cover fire. Quit QQing and start driving better and recognizing your role.

Sincerely,
Caldari Militia Blaster Tank Pilot
Avg K/D 20/2