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Don Von Hulio
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:49:00 -
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Im just checking to see if choice two is REALLLY what the majority of voters want. Because ive talked to some people who were a bit confused, an just chose the one with the most. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:51:00 -
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Don Von Hulio wrote:Im just checking to see if choice two is REALLLY what the majority of voters want. Because ive talked to some people who were a bit confused, an just chose the one with the most.
not everyone is motivated in their choice by "the most SP" option because the cconsensus among beta testers has been that unrestricted SP gains is not good for the game in the long term. this seems to be echoed by many newberries. |
3 bird
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:56:00 -
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Yes, but as beta players we have a responsibility to not think sole about personal gain, but also of helping the Development team create the best game possible. So in terms of SP most of us believe limiting the amount a player could grind sp in a day would be best for the game and I myself agree.
It allows for a steady progression and limits the possibility for people to abuse the sp system. It also means that those who can play more than others don't get a massive advantage over those who can only play a few hours a week.
If you feel different then please speak up, why do you believe option 5, other than you personally being able to get more sp a day is the best option for the game.
Sorry if this sounds blunt im not trying to be just speaking my piece and hoping to hear you reasoning for thinking otherwise |
Don Von Hulio
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Posted - 2013.01.26 08:57:00 -
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Im just saying is all. Because they dont use the term daily and weekly cap in the post where it should be to help clarify. And they dont state which offers the most.
I just like 5 better because it further increases the reason to do well and use teamwork, even after you hit Weekly cap. I dont have a problem anyways if someone did advance way past me in SP. They way it is now is horrible an disguisting, if kept for too long it will increase the gap more everday and make it next to impossible for newcomers 3 days from now catch up, much less final release. Even with the better SP gain, the people who are waiting for final release are still going to have a hard time catching up. So, in that sense, at least for them a mechanic like choice 5 would be good up to a point i guess.
There should be a matchmaking system and it ultimately comes down to actual skill at that point. Im being stuck in game where everyone seems to have Type II armor, but i only have a Type II gun, but im not having any issues of staying alive (not trying to brag, just saying how i feel).
But, either choice is still better since they are both based off of a weekly cap... so you wont miss out on SP by not playing every single day. I would rather grind one long day than find time to do it every day. |
Three Double-A Batteries
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:00:00 -
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That thread reads like the small print of a questionable mobile phone contract. |
3 bird
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:33:00 -
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while in most mmos the higher level you are the more uber you are and in that instance, like you i would have picked option 5. But I don't believe ccp will let the gap between skilled and unskilled players open up that far. the idea being that someone new coming to the game, even after the game has been going for 5 years, will still be an effective member of the battle field. in the same way that a new player in eve, can jump into a large scale fight and still be active and welcome member to the team. he might not fly the best ships, but he has advantages that most older player have long since abandoned for bigger guns or faster ships.
So remembering that I don't believe ccp will let the gap become so vast new players don't have a chance, maybe you can understand why I picked option 2.
Also thanks for replying, so nice to get a reply instead of someone just moaning that they don't like it and its talking about things like this that will inevitably lead to Dust being a better game. |
mollerz
s1ck3r Corp
71
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:41:00 -
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Just give us our WP to SP for kills whatever which way this lame ass weak sauce attempt to gimp in the mindful nannering attempt to equalize the suck with the 1337 dog and pony show goes. At least elevate my 16Kill game over 75 SPs. pfft. |
3 bird
DUST University Ivy League
86
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:45:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Just give us our WP to SP for kills whatever which way this lame ass weak sauce attempt to gimp in the mindful nannering attempt to equalize the suck with the 1337 dog and pony show goes. At least elevate my 16Kill game over 75 SPs. pfft.
Sorry what, don't spend much time on forums so i really haven't a clue what you just said :S
Any chance you could elaborate? |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:45:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Just give us our WP to SP for kills whatever which way this lame ass weak sauce attempt to gimp in the mindful nannering attempt to equalize the suck with the 1337 dog and pony show goes. At least elevate my 16Kill game over 75 SPs. pfft.
1/10
or you're stupid.
I'm still trying to decide which. |
Three Double-A Batteries
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:46:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Just give us our WP to SP for kills whatever which way this lame ass weak sauce attempt to gimp in the mindful nannering attempt to equalize the suck with the 1337 dog and pony show goes. At least elevate my 16Kill game over 75 SPs. pfft. Please never stop posting. I think I love you. |
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King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:47:00 -
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without the ability to make big gains in a few days, new players will never ever catch up to seasoned ones in terms of SP.
doesn't matter much when maxed out guns only kill 1-2 bullets faster though.
well played, ccp. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:54:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:without the ability to make big gains in a few days, new players will never ever catch up to seasoned ones in terms of SP.
doesn't matter much when maxed out guns only kill 1-2 bullets faster though.
well played, ccp.
those numbers assume all players involve maxed out on skill.
The variance between a newbie with an AR and a proto Duvolle with maxed proficiency and a rack of +damage mods in the highs is like night and day. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:57:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:King Kobrah wrote:without the ability to make big gains in a few days, new players will never ever catch up to seasoned ones in terms of SP.
doesn't matter much when maxed out guns only kill 1-2 bullets faster though.
well played, ccp. those numbers assume all players involve maxed out on skill. The variance between a newbie with an AR and a proto Duvolle with maxed proficiency and a rack of +damage mods in the highs is like night and day. weapon table says vs 400 health, a max sp + 2 damage mod proto ar vs a no SP no damage mod basic AR will only be a 5 bullet difference. noticeable, but not anything insane. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:59:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:King Kobrah wrote:without the ability to make big gains in a few days, new players will never ever catch up to seasoned ones in terms of SP.
doesn't matter much when maxed out guns only kill 1-2 bullets faster though.
well played, ccp. those numbers assume all players involve maxed out on skill. The variance between a newbie with an AR and a proto Duvolle with maxed proficiency and a rack of +damage mods in the highs is like night and day. weapon table says vs 400 health, a max sp + 2 damage mod proto ar vs a no SP no damage mod basic AR will only be a 5 bullet difference. noticeable, but not anything insane.
Now consider the no skill AR recoil will cause you to miss a crapton more. the proto already has less recoil with a further reduction from the AR skill.
More accuracy = more bullets hit in a burst = faster kills by wide margins at longer ranges.
EDIT: Oh yeah, wait till you see officer guns in action. You'd think CCP gave the guy shooting you Finger of God in a can. |
Yay Adski
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:00:00 -
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With option 5 new players would have the option to grind for a week and not be as far behind as option 2. I voted for 5 because it helps those who need/want the weekly cap and doesn't punish players for doing well. CCP should of just done a trial with option 5 and then do a vote. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:02:00 -
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Yay Adski wrote:With option 5 new players would have the option to grind for a week and not be as far behind as option 2. I voted for 5 because it helps those who need/want the weekly cap and doesn't punish players for doing well. CCP should of just done a trial with option 5 and then do a vote.
possibly. trick is, once you max out a dropsuit and all of the support skills relevant to said suit and weapon of choice, old players have little to no measurable advantage over you.
Edit: I don't really care if CCP picks 2 or 5, so long as it's one of those. I'm just playing devil's advocate. Plus option 2 I think works as a max to normal SP gains. it's the option 5 that adds the "per WP" cap. Unless I read it wrong.
Which would mean option 2 provides more consistently stable gains for new players than 5 |
mollerz
s1ck3r Corp
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:07:00 -
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Three Double-A Batteries wrote:mollerz wrote:Just give us our WP to SP for kills whatever which way this lame ass weak sauce attempt to gimp in the mindful nannering attempt to equalize the suck with the 1337 dog and pony show goes. At least elevate my 16Kill game over 75 SPs. pfft. Please never stop posting. I think I love you.
hey babay |
Don Von Hulio
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:09:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Yay Adski wrote:With option 5 new players would have the option to grind for a week and not be as far behind as option 2. I voted for 5 because it helps those who need/want the weekly cap and doesn't punish players for doing well. CCP should of just done a trial with option 5 and then do a vote. possibly. trick is, once you max out a dropsuit and all of the support skills relevant to said suit and weapon of choice, old players have little to no measurable advantage over you.
Once the matchmaking gets sorted out, seasoned players wont see many noobs anyways, unless it builds teams solely based off of one stat. At least in quickmatches.
Im sure there will be more skills, weapons, more everything as the months go by. Its just right now... ga'dang, its depressing to say the least. And im sure the SP will be revised several times through out the games life. |
Yay Adski
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:09:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Yay Adski wrote:With option 5 new players would have the option to grind for a week and not be as far behind as option 2. I voted for 5 because it helps those who need/want the weekly cap and doesn't punish players for doing well. CCP should of just done a trial with option 5 and then do a vote. possibly. trick is, once you max out a dropsuit and all of the support skills relevant to said suit and weapon of choice, old players have little to no measurable advantage over you. Edit: I don't really care if CCP picks 2 or 5, so long as it's one of those. I'm just playing devil's advocate. Plus option 2 I think works as a max to normal SP gains. it's the option 5 that adds the "per WP" cap. Unless I read it wrong. Which would mean option 2 provides more consistently stable gains for new players than 5 5 is the one where after you hit the cap you get whatever you earn in wp. 2 limits that to 1k even if you had an amazing game. That's why if newer plays come in they'll hit the cap in a day (maybe 2) and then be getting 1k sp per game max, which isn't as much as people make it out to be. |
Ruyan Aldent
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:22:00 -
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Most people seem to be thinking that the new players will be able to catch up if they decide to grind with the options that allow WP to Sp gain but this also would allow the veteran players to grind and get even farther. Even if a new player grinds by the logic of a veteran player being better for their gear the veteran will be gaining more WP per match because they will be doing better so not only will the new players not catch up they will actually begin to get left behind further. |
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Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:29:00 -
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you show me a FNG that can get 1000 wp or more in a game, without the help of his corp, and I'll show you a surprisedface.jpg. I am thoroughly convinced the only ones who'd benefit from a wp=sp equation are the few of us in "successful" corps, and hell, sometimes WE don't even break 1k.
1000 sp cap is more than plenty to keep people playing, while still preventing them from advancing too fast. well.. really, it should be a 500 SP cap, but whatever. I just don't want to be able to unlock everything in a year. at any rate, with a 1000 SP cap, I think the vast majority of people won't hardly realise they've hit the cap! |
The-Kurgan
Tgrad Mercs
4
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:34:00 -
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hey guys, just wanted to run an idea past u lot to do with SP capping.
ive noticed the daily sp cap and have hit it on occasion, however it seems slightly unfair to certain people, mainly refering to people with "lives" outside of gaming and with professional commitments.
instead of a daily SP cap, have a weekly SP cap ending/starting at downtime on fridays.
this way people with typical weekday work commitments and evening family commitments can boss it out over the weekend and not be restricted to what is essentially only approx 2/7ths the max SP u can gain per week.
so sp cap would be 7x what it is now, with a reset only once a week. rather than once a day. |
Scurvy Granger
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
75
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:37:00 -
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Yay Adski wrote:With option 5 new players would have the option to grind for a week and not be as far behind as option 2. I voted for 5 because it helps those who need/want the weekly cap and doesn't punish players for doing well. CCP should of just done a trial with option 5 and then do a vote. I don't know how people are thinking like this...
A newbie joins and grinds all week to try to catch up to vets...the vets are grinding too, they already have better gear, they are constantly gaining more SP, either way you swing it the newbies will NEVER catch up to the veterans unless the veterans take a break from the game.
If you want to justify no cap that is not a proper justification because everyone can take advantage of the no cap, not just newberries. Option 2 slows down the overall speed of teching up but doesn't have anything to do with how fast newberries will catch up to veterans, same for option 5.
The question is do you want to get all the good stuff in the first couple of months by being able to grind constantly or do you want to stretch it out a bit further by having a cap?
Newberries will get to have one good setup fairly quickly with 5, but the vets will either have leftover SP to spend when new things are released, or will have all skills and be able to change tactics very easily.
option 5 = Faster
option 2 = Slower |
Scurvy Granger
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:38:00 -
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The-Kurgan wrote:hey guys, just wanted to run an idea past u lot to do with SP capping.
ive noticed the daily sp cap and have hit it on occasion, however it seems slightly unfair to certain people, mainly refering to people with "lives" outside of gaming and with professional commitments.
instead of a daily SP cap, have a weekly SP cap ending/starting at downtime on fridays.
this way people with typical weekday work commitments and evening family commitments can boss it out over the weekend and not be restricted to what is essentially only approx 2/7ths the max SP u can gain per week.
so sp cap would be 7x what it is now, with a reset only once a week. rather than once a day. That's exactly what this vote is for...
The weekly cap is winning just FYI |
The-Kurgan
Tgrad Mercs
4
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:40:00 -
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Scurvy Granger wrote:The-Kurgan wrote:hey guys, just wanted to run an idea past u lot to do with SP capping.
ive noticed the daily sp cap and have hit it on occasion, however it seems slightly unfair to certain people, mainly refering to people with "lives" outside of gaming and with professional commitments.
instead of a daily SP cap, have a weekly SP cap ending/starting at downtime on fridays.
this way people with typical weekday work commitments and evening family commitments can boss it out over the weekend and not be restricted to what is essentially only approx 2/7ths the max SP u can gain per week.
so sp cap would be 7x what it is now, with a reset only once a week. rather than once a day. That's exactly what this vote is for... The weekly cap is winning just FYI
ohh sweet! soz for my ignorance! LOL where do i vote? |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:40:00 -
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Ruyan Aldent wrote:Most people seem to be thinking that the new players will be able to catch up if they decide to grind with the options that allow WP to Sp gain but this also would allow the veteran players to grind and get even farther. Even if a new player grinds by the logic of a veteran player being better for their gear the veteran will be gaining more WP per match because they will be doing better so not only will the new players not catch up they will actually begin to get left behind further. +1 I think most posters that used this argument for #5 being the best option aren't being honest. They want it because they want the upper hand through SP rather than just skill. Each game you play still nets the same potential amount of ISK, and once your using advanced suits, modules, and weapons, ISK will become the incentive to play. |
Don Von Hulio
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:48:00 -
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Im not worried about ISK. As they still have yet to incorporate Salvage and other game modes. Even if i was already at Proto level, i wouldnt be dissatisfied with current ISK payouts. I received almost 500k ISK today in my best match.
I know i would benefit from choice 5. Otherwise, i wouldn't try to convert people. lol And anyways, im sure the SP will be revised several times, and alot more things will be introduced and SP wont be such a big deal.
Whatever happens though, it better be a weekly cap, or some sort of roll over. lol |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.01.26 10:58:00 -
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Lets assume 3 players start playing DUST 514 at the same time. We'll call them "Noob 1" to "Noob 3"
Noob 1 has several hours to play DUST every day. (hardcore) Noob 2 has a solid session of 10 hours on Saturday, and a couple of hours on Sunday, but can't play the rest of the week. (regular) Noob 3 only has a couple of hours to spare every week. (casual)
Now lets look what happens using option 2 from the poll:
Noob 1 (hardcore) hits the rolling daily cap, every day. Part of his playtime is spent with SP limits every day. Noob 2 (regular) doesn't play every day, so the SP cap rolls over during the week, allowing them to approach - but maybe not hit - the cap every weekend. He'll probably earn a little bit less SP than the hardcore Noob 1, but not by much. Noob 3 (casual) doesn't push his limits, and is a casual player, so he's always going to be falling behind anyway.
Lets see what happens with option 5:
Noob 1 (hardcore) races ahead, leaving everyone else in the dust (see what I did there? Terrible pun is terrible) Noob 2 (regular) will fall behind during the week, and when he does get to play, will only lessen the gap a little bit, rather than actually feeling like he has any chance. After a couple of months, Noob 1 will outstrip him horribly. Noob 3 (casual) is still a casual player, and not being held back too badly.
Now, lets compare two hardcore players who start playing the game 6 months apart. We'll call them "Experienced Player and Noob.
Using option 2:
Experienced Player hits the daily cap every day, and if he has a day or two off, the rolling cap gives him the previous day's cap on top of his current day. Noob can play a similar amount, and get similar SP earnings, allowing him to keep pace with Experienced Player's SP earnings. As with Experienced Player, if Noob misses a day or two, those days' SP caps roll over to allow him to maintain his position with a longer-than-usual session if he wants to push for it.
Using Option 5:
Experienced Player gets to race forward unrestricted on SP. Missing a day means missing out on a day's worth of SP. Noob has exactly the same advantages and restrictions. If he keeps up, his SP earning will allow him to keep pace with Experienced Player, still a LONG way behind, but not falling further behind. If he misses a day, however, that day's lost SP earnings will mean he falls further behind.
My vote for option 2 stands. |
Lasarte Ioni
Noob Gaming
72
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Posted - 2013.01.26 12:42:00 -
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Don Von Hulio wrote:Im just checking to see if choice two is REALLLY what the majority of voters want. Because ive talked to some people who were a bit confused, an just chose the one with the most.
Actually for the 28/32 of the player base (aprox) option 2 gives 'em more SP than option 5; if you read the description, the "increased soft cap" translates as 1000 SP per match, but the "no soft cap" translates as 1SP every WP now; i almost always get more than 1000 WP per match, but almost always only the 2-3 tops of each team does (at least in skirmish, since i don't play ambush i don't know) hence the 28/32 statistic I just made up.
So, option 5 is better for "good" players, option 2 is better for everyone else. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
165
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Posted - 2013.01.26 14:12:00 -
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Lasarte Ioni wrote:Don Von Hulio wrote:Im just checking to see if choice two is REALLLY what the majority of voters want. Because ive talked to some people who were a bit confused, an just chose the one with the most. Actually for the 28/32 of the player base (aprox) option 2 gives 'em more SP than option 5; if you read the description, the "increased soft cap" translates as 1000 SP per match, but the "no soft cap" translates as 1SP every WP now; i almost always get more than 1000 WP per match, but almost always only the 2-3 tops of each team does (at least in skirmish, since i don't play ambush i don't know) hence the 28/32 statistic I just made up. So, option 5 is better for "good" players, option 2 is better for everyone else. YOU might want to read the description again. #2 gives players the chance to earn 1SP for 1WP to a maximum of a 1000SP/game. #5 just doesn't have a limit, so it's your ability to get WPs that dictates your SP return. Both choices will have the same weekly cap. Most mediocre players WPs after a match are under a 1000, so #2 just limits the distance between them and the elite.
Here's the link to the vote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52633&find=unread |
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