Im just checking to see if choice two is REALLLY what the majority of voters want. Because ive talked to some people who were a bit confused, an just chose the one with the most.

Just give us our WP to SP for kills whatever which way this lame ass weak sauce attempt to gimp in the mindful nannering attempt to equalize the suck with the 1337 dog and pony show goes. At least elevate my 16Kill game over 75 SPs. pfft.

Just give us our WP to SP for kills whatever which way this lame ass weak sauce attempt to gimp in the mindful nannering attempt to equalize the suck with the 1337 dog and pony show goes. At least elevate my 16Kill game over 75 SPs. pfft.

Just give us our WP to SP for kills whatever which way this lame ass weak sauce attempt to gimp in the mindful nannering attempt to equalize the suck with the 1337 dog and pony show goes. At least elevate my 16Kill game over 75 SPs. pfft.

without the ability to make big gains in a few days, new players will never ever catch up to seasoned ones in terms of SP.

doesn't matter much when maxed out guns only kill 1-2 bullets faster though.

well played, ccp.

those numbers assume all players involve maxed out on skill.

The variance between a newbie with an AR and a proto Duvolle with maxed proficiency and a rack of +damage mods in the highs is like night and day.

weapon table says vs 400 health, a max sp + 2 damage mod proto ar vs a no SP no damage mod basic AR will only be a 5 bullet difference.
noticeable, but not anything insane.

With option 5 new players would have the option to grind for a week and not be as far behind as option 2. I voted for 5 because it helps those who need/want the weekly cap and doesn't punish players for doing well. CCP should of just done a trial with option 5 and then do a vote.

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possibly. trick is, once you max out a dropsuit and all of the support skills relevant to said suit and weapon of choice, old players have little to no measurable advantage over you.

possibly. trick is, once you max out a dropsuit and all of the support skills relevant to said suit and weapon of choice, old players have little to no measurable advantage over you.

Edit: I don't really care if CCP picks 2 or 5, so long as it's one of those. I'm just playing devil's advocate. Plus option 2 I think works as a max to normal SP gains. it's the option 5 that adds the "per WP" cap. Unless I read it wrong.

Which would mean option 2 provides more consistently stable gains for new players than 5

With option 5 new players would have the option to grind for a week and not be as far behind as option 2. I voted for 5 because it helps those who need/want the weekly cap and doesn't punish players for doing well. CCP should of just done a trial with option 5 and then do a vote.

hey guys, just wanted to run an idea past u lot to do with SP capping.

ive noticed the daily sp cap and have hit it on occasion, however it seems slightly unfair to certain people, mainly refering to people with "lives" outside of gaming and with professional commitments.

instead of a daily SP cap, have a weekly SP cap ending/starting at downtime on fridays.

this way people with typical weekday work commitments and evening family commitments can boss it out over the weekend and not be restricted to what is essentially only approx 2/7ths the max SP u can gain per week.

so sp cap would be 7x what it is now, with a reset only once a week. rather than once a day.

That's exactly what this vote is for...

The weekly cap is winning just FYI

Most people seem to be thinking that the new players will be able to catch up if they decide to grind with the options that allow WP to Sp gain but this also would allow the veteran players to grind and get even farther. Even if a new player grinds by the logic of a veteran player being better for their gear the veteran will be gaining more WP per match because they will be doing better so not only will the new players not catch up they will actually begin to get left behind further.

Im just checking to see if choice two is REALLLY what the majority of voters want. Because ive talked to some people who were a bit confused, an just chose the one with the most.

Actually for the 28/32 of the player base (aprox) option 2 gives 'em more SP than option 5; if you read the description, the "increased soft cap" translates as 1000 SP per match, but the "no soft cap" translates as 1SP every WP now; i almost always get more than 1000 WP per match, but almost always only the 2-3 tops of each team does (at least in skirmish, since i don't play ambush i don't know) hence the 28/32 statistic I just made up.

So, option 5 is better for "good" players, option 2 is better for everyone else.

Im not worried about ISK. As they still have yet to incorporate Salvage and other game modes. Even if i was already at Proto level, i wouldnt be dissatisfied with current ISK payouts. I received almost 500k ISK today in my best match.

I know i would benefit from choice 5. Otherwise, i wouldn't try to convert people. lol
And anyways, im sure the SP will be revised several times, and alot more things will be introduced and SP wont be such a big deal.

Whatever happens though, it better be a weekly cap, or some sort of roll over. lol

With option 5 new players would have the option to grind for a week and not be as far behind as option 2. I voted for 5 because it helps those who need/want the weekly cap and doesn't punish players for doing well. CCP should of just done a trial with option 5 and then do a vote.

Lets assume 3 players start playing DUST 514 at the same time. We'll call them "Noob 1" to "Noob 3"

Noob 1 has several hours to play DUST every day. (hardcore)
Noob 2 has a solid session of 10 hours on Saturday, and a couple of hours on Sunday, but can't play the rest of the week. (regular)
Noob 3 only has a couple of hours to spare every week. (casual)

Now lets look what happens using option 2 from the poll:

Noob 1 (hardcore) hits the rolling daily cap, every day. Part of his playtime is spent with SP limits every day.
Noob 2 (regular) doesn't play every day, so the SP cap rolls over during the week, allowing them to approach - but maybe not hit - the cap every weekend. He'll probably earn a little bit less SP than the hardcore Noob 1, but not by much.
Noob 3 (casual) doesn't push his limits, and is a casual player, so he's always going to be falling behind anyway.

Lets see what happens with option 5:

Noob 1 (hardcore) races ahead, leaving everyone else in the dust (see what I did there? Terrible pun is terrible)
Noob 2 (regular) will fall behind during the week, and when he does get to play, will only lessen the gap a little bit, rather than actually feeling like he has any chance. After a couple of months, Noob 1 will outstrip him horribly.
Noob 3 (casual) is still a casual player, and not being held back too badly.

Now, lets compare two hardcore players who start playing the game 6 months apart. We'll call them "Experienced Player and Noob.

Using option 2:

Experienced Player hits the daily cap every day, and if he has a day or two off, the rolling cap gives him the previous day's cap on top of his current day.
Noob can play a similar amount, and get similar SP earnings, allowing him to keep pace with Experienced Player's SP earnings. As with Experienced Player, if Noob misses a day or two, those days' SP caps roll over to allow him to maintain his position with a longer-than-usual session if he wants to push for it.

Using Option 5:

Experienced Player gets to race forward unrestricted on SP. Missing a day means missing out on a day's worth of SP.
Noob has exactly the same advantages and restrictions. If he keeps up, his SP earning will allow him to keep pace with Experienced Player, still a LONG way behind, but not falling further behind. If he misses a day, however, that day's lost SP earnings will mean he falls further behind.

My vote for option 2 stands.

Must remember that new players will never catch the hardcore players. If we remove the softcap then the hardcore players will further increase the difference in total sps. Because as the new players grind, so will the already hardcore vets

Realistically speaking this option makes the most sense, and pleases all parties. The weekly cap keeps everybody somewhat on a level playing field. This is great for people who can't play everyday, and it alleviates DUST being a full time job. I believe once you hit your weekly cap 1 WP = 1 SP. This would allow your performance to be directly tied to how many skill points you get from the battle.

After hitting the weekly cap 1 WP= 1 SP, Allows for the hardcore players to feel as if they aren't being punished for playing a game that they enjoy. This also allows for newer players to somewhat catch up to everybody else if they not only put the time into the game, but also are somewhat decent at it.

however though when behind a redline you shouldn't get any WP's for any actions you perform, because hiding behind the redline destroys the pacing of the game, and generally speaking is a sissy thing to do.

The problem with the weekly cap is it ensures that newer players will NEVER be given the opportunity to catch up to people who have been playing longer, let alone have a somewhat even playing field. CCP needs to quit catering the game to a "casual" player-base that doesn't exist. Zipper did the same thing with MAG, and most of us know all too well what happened with that. In many ways, the weekly cap was broken, and linked progression directly with long you've played versus how good you actually are.

At the very least, Option 5 needs to be tested. It's the only option that not only rewards players for actually being good, but it allows for newer players to be given the opportunity to somewhat level the playing field, and somewhat close the gap between themselves and older players. Option 5 is "rollover" without CCP having to put "rollover" in the game.

In regards to active boosters, they will actually perform their job, and allow people to do more faster. Currently all the active booster really does it raise your daily SP cap a bit. However once hitting the cap with 1 WP = 1 SP it will actually feel as if you are getting your moneys worth out of the active booster. Thus people will ultimately spend more money on the active boosters. I don't think people realize that by voting for option 2 they are allowing CCP to rob them out of the purpose of their active booster which is to do more faster, versus paying to raise an SP cap.

Realistically speaking this option makes the most sense, and pleases all parties. The weekly cap keeps everybody somewhat on a level playing field. This is great for people who can't play everyday, and it alleviates DUST being a full time job. I believe once you hit your weekly cap 1 WP = 1 SP. This would allow your performance to be directly tied to how many skill points you get from the battle.

After hitting the weekly cap 1 WP= 1 SP, Allows for the hardcore players to feel as if they aren't being punished for playing a game that they enjoy. This also allows for newer players to somewhat catch up to everybody else if they not only put the time into the game, but also are somewhat decent at it.

however though when behind a redline you shouldn't get any WP's for any actions you perform, because hiding behind the redline destroys the pacing of the game, and generally speaking is a sissy thing to do.

The problem with the weekly cap is it ensures that newer players will NEVER be given the opportunity to catch up to people who have been playing longer, let alone have a somewhat even playing field. CCP needs to quit catering the game to a "casual" player-base that doesn't exist. Zipper did the same thing with MAG, and most of us know all too well what happened with that. In many ways, the weekly cap was broken, and linked progression directly with long you've played versus how good you actually are.

At the very least, Option 5 needs to be tested. It's the only option that not only rewards players for actually being good, but it allows for newer players to be given the opportunity to somewhat level the playing field, and somewhat close the gap between themselves and older players. Option 5 is "rollover" without CCP having to put "rollover" in the game.

In regards to active boosters, they will actually perform their job, and allow people to do more faster. Currently all the active booster really does it raise your daily SP cap a bit. However once hitting the cap with 1 WP = 1 SP it will actually feel as if you are getting your moneys worth out of the active booster. Thus people will ultimately spend more money on the active boosters. I don't think people realize that by voting for option 2 they are allowing CCP to rob them out of the purpose of their active booster which is to do more faster, versus paying to raise an SP cap.

Realistically speaking this option makes the most sense, and pleases all parties. The weekly cap keeps everybody somewhat on a level playing field. This is great for people who can't play everyday, and it alleviates DUST being a full time job. I believe once you hit your weekly cap 1 WP = 1 SP. This would allow your performance to be directly tied to how many skill points you get from the battle.

In regards to active boosters, they will actually perform their job, and allow people to do more faster. Currently all the active booster really does it raise your daily SP cap a bit. However once hitting the cap with 1 WP = 1 SP it will actually feel as if you are getting your moneys worth out of the active booster. Thus people will ultimately spend more money on the active boosters. I don't think people realize that by voting for option 2 they are allowing CCP to rob them out of the purpose of their active booster which is to do more faster, versus paying to raise an SP cap.

you forgot to add noob 4 (new player to dust) : playing everyday

with option 2, noob 4 will never even have a chance to catch up to noob 1 cause of the sp limits

with option 5, noob 4 will have a slight chance to catch up to noob 1 by playing better and getting more wp, since this game is about skill right?

My first example showed 3 players starting at the same time. My second example was almost exactly the scenario you're describing.

I've edited out the first scenario from your quote, so it only includes where I already covered that scenario.

With option 5, missing a day (sick, feel like playing something else, holiday, etc.) means you automatically fall behind. With option 2, you get a chance to "catch up" on a missed day with some extra playtime on a subsequent day within the rollover period.

Most people seem to be thinking that the new players will be able to catch up if they decide to grind with the options that allow WP to Sp gain but this also would allow the veteran players to grind and get even farther. Even if a new player grinds by the logic of a veteran player being better for their gear the veteran will be gaining more WP per match because they will be doing better so not only will the new players not catch up they will actually begin to get left behind further.

Im just checking to see if choice two is REALLLY what the majority of voters want. Because ive talked to some people who were a bit confused, an just chose the one with the most.