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EternalRMG ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2013.01.25 21:15:00 - [1] - Quote ok ccp the rumors say that your planing to nerf the Laser rifle (damage range clip size...) If that is true PLEASE DONT DO IT the lLR is fine its **** at close range and it is a hard counter but if youre still willing to nerf it then do this -Give us more range (its a kitten laser A LASER KITTEN BEAM it has to have more range then a freaking AR) -Reduce the Damage (to counter the extra range) -make it overheat slower ( more time for pre-heating before 2 or 3 sec killing someone) - Bigger clip size ( TO counter the slower over heat)
SoTa PoP Clone Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2013.01.25 21:19:00 - [2] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: ok ccp the rumors say that your planing to nerf the Laser rifle (damage range clip size...) If that is true PLEASE DONT DO IT the lLR is fine its **** at close range and it is a hard counter but if youre still willing to nerf it then do this -Give us more range (its a kitten laser A LASER KITTEN BEAM it has to have more range then a freaking AR) -Reduce the Damage (to counter the extra range) -make it overheat slower ( more time for pre-heating before 2 or 3 sec killing someone) - Bigger clip size ( TO counter the slower over heat) From what I understand EvE lasers aren't long range?
EternalRMG ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2013.01.25 21:22:00 - [3] - Quote there are 2 types long range and close range (pulse laser i think theyre called)
The legend345 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 73	Posted - 2013.01.25 21:22:00 - [4] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: ok ccp the rumors say that your planing to nerf the Laser rifle (damage range clip size...) If that is true PLEASE DONT DO IT the lLR is fine its ** at close range and it is a hard counter but if youre still willing to nerf it then do this -Give us more range (its a kitten laser A LASER KITTEN BEAM it has to have more range then a freaking AR) -Reduce the Damage (to counter the extra range) -make it overheat slower ( more time for pre-heating before 2 or 3 sec killing someone) - Bigger clip size ( TO counter the slower over heat) if you lower the damage that give them to much time to get into cover. Leave the ** alone its fine.
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2013.01.25 21:32:00 - [5] - Quote beam lasers are "long" range, pulse lasers are "short" range. that being said, beam lasers actually have the WORST range out of any turrets long range type. (and pulse lasers have the best range out of short range types) it goes like this: Railgun (Hybrid) > Artillery (Projectile) > Beam (Lasers) > Pulse (Lasers) > Autocannons (Projectile) > Blasters (Hybrid) that being said, assault rifles ARE considered blasters (i would say the excuse for them outranging projectile smgs is a size thing. a big enough blaster can outrange a small enough anything else) so while it's perfectly reasonable to expect lasers to have better range than assault rifles from a canon perspective, you're ignoring the fact that blasters should have a huge DPS advantage. so eve->dust doesn't really translate 1:1
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2013.01.25 21:39:00 - [6] - Quote Whenever i shoot it it tells everyone where I am at
Vile Heathen Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 352	Posted - 2013.01.25 21:39:00 - [7] - Quote IRL, pulsed lasers have longer range (reduced blooming) than standard lasers.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2013.01.25 21:57:00 - [8] - Quote Assault rifles are actually plasma rifles. What fictional sci-fi weapon is supposed to have longer range, again? LRs kill people in about 2 seconds at very long ranges. They aren't hard to aim, and if you're out in the open they can drop you and your entire squad before anyone can "get in close" or whatever other solutions. LRs should be good at range, but they shouldn't be nearly instantly lethal once they've been firing a bit, either. Considering it's a weapon you don't need to compensate for in terms of recoil, and its heat mechanic is a very minor issue, it is fairly clearly in need of tuning at this point.
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 338	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:05:00 - [9] - Quote Blarg
RedBleach LeSanglant Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 136	Posted - 2013.01.26 19:57:00 - [10] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Assault rifles are actually plasma rifles. What fictional sci-fi weapon is supposed to have longer range, again? LRs kill people in about 2 seconds at very long ranges. They aren't hard to aim, and if you're out in the open they can drop you and your entire squad before anyone can "get in close" or whatever other solutions. LRs should be good at range, but they shouldn't be nearly instantly lethal once they've been firing a bit, either. Considering it's a weapon you don't need to compensate for in terms of recoil, and its heat mechanic is a very minor issue, it is fairly clearly in need of tuning at this point. Death comes to those who don't use strategy or look both ways before crossing the open terrain. A sniper on the team takes them out quite nicely. They freeze on overheat like an HMG, Remove 40-60% of my shields at full health on an overheat, Suck at mid-close range, and use almost 1/4 of their ammo per controlled shot. They are specialized weapons and should remain that way. I would only use one if I have a drain-able nanohive. Leave it as is, or buff the hell out of it. That will teach everyone to complain, then bring it back to the original stats and watch everyone smile again.

Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2013.01.27 00:28:00 - [11] - Quote RedBleach LeSanglant wrote: Death comes to those who don't use strategy or look both ways before crossing the open terrain. A sniper on the team takes them out quite nicely. They freeze on overheat like an HMG, Remove 40-60% of my shields at full health on an overheat, Suck at mid-close range, and use almost 1/4 of their ammo per controlled shot. They are specialized weapons and should remain that way. I would only use one if I have a drain-able nanohive. Leave it as is, or buff the hell out of it. That will teach everyone to complain, then bring it back to the original stats and watch everyone smile again. I advocate nerfs for sniper rifles as well. I'm aware of how overpowered those weapons also are, and have been making threads about how I feel CCP ought to change them since sometime this summer. It's only enemies who are very close to the LR that are hard to hit. Even minimally intelligent LR users will simply avoid being the first person into terrain where there could be someone hiding around the corner. The issue of the weapon being bad at close ranges doesn't justify them being incredibly powerful at medium and long ranges, as it is easy enough to make close-range fighting a rare event as a LR user. The good news is that CCP isn't always afraid of the crying that accompanies needed balance changes. A number of months ago we had swarm launches that could one-shot most people as well as destroy vehicles. CCP nerfed them, even though people like you insisted they were balanced, because of X and Y limitations, and whatever variation of that misplaced patronization about using proper strategy and tactics so that you don't die to these weapons. Laser rifles will be nerfed, and Dust will be a better game for it, just as it improved once swarm launchers were nerfed against infantry.
Shouper of BHD Better Hide R Die 37	Posted - 2013.01.27 00:35:00 - [12] - Quote the nerf is of itself OP becuse the LR didn`t need such a nerf, but the weapon upgrades (and stackign in genrial) needed to be put where THERE ACTULYL ARE PENULTYS NOT CLAIMS OF PENULTYS BUT 0% REDUCTION. (sorry for caps, i do get carried away but I tend to notice some people skip things and I try to make the direct point noticable). Also there was a thread for this allready. the meduim auto matics: long range: AR meduim range: LR short range: most likely the SAR (Scrabler assualt Rifle) heres some info about the SAR: https://dust514.com/media/videos/developer-diary-weapons-in-dust-514/ skip to 3:35. https://dust514.com/media/wallpapers/testers-tournament-unlock-1-5/
Don Von Hulio UnReaL. 90	Posted - 2013.01.27 00:40:00 - [13] - Quote IRL we dont have laser rifles used to kill people.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2013.01.27 00:47:00 - [14] - Quote like another said in another post, there's like 2 ppl a match w/ laser rifles now there will be none
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 229	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:03:00 - [15] - Quote Sobriety Denied wrote: like another said in another post, there's like 2 ppl a match w/ laser rifles now there will be none they will extinguish just like large missile turrets....
Tau5 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:14:00 - [16] - Quote I hate when people misinterpret their lack of skill as a "real" balance issue. After this they'll be saying Mass Drivers have a "real" problem.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 441	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:22:00 - [17] - Quote Tau5 wrote: I hate when people misinterpret their lack of skill as a "real" balance issue. After this they'll be saying Mass Drivers have a "real" problem. Sshhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Damn it don't start it, I'm warning you foo!
Gunner Needed The Southern Legion 111	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:24:00 - [18] - Quote just leave them alone they are fine right now.If they get nerfed the way people are saying then they will just become crappy AR's, and we have enough AR players as it is. Also I specked into lasers hard foe my closed beta bonus time, it would suck for all this time to be wasted on something Ill never use again.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2013.01.27 11:45:00 - [19] - Quote They'll never be ARs, because they have no damage degradation, and they're not very good close-up. Pretty well the opposite of ARs. They sort of compete directly with tactical ARs, but that's an issue that exists currently anyway. Reducing their power would make them useful still, just maybe not so brainlessly useful. Seriously, a weapon with no dispersion, no recoil, a huge magazine, only somewhat limiting heat build-up, and no damage degradation... you can't really expect it to just melt faces like it currently does.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2013.01.27 12:24:00 - [20] - Quote Tau5 wrote: I hate when people misinterpret their lack of skill as a "real" balance issue. After this they'll be saying Mass Drivers have a "real" problem. Mass drivers do have a real problem.....6 explosive sprays before a reload and good fire rate is ridiculous

The legend345 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 73	Posted - 2013.01.27 13:03:00 - [21] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Tau5 wrote: I hate when people misinterpret their lack of skill as a "real" balance issue. After this they'll be saying Mass Drivers have a "real" problem. Mass drivers do have a real problem.....6 explosive sprays before a reload and good fire rate is ridiculous No. Your just a cry baby.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2013.01.27 13:46:00 - [22] - Quote I kittening HATE laser rifles. And Mass Drivers, I kittening hate those too. But for the love of Mordu, puh-leeeeeeeze din't nerf them CCP. They can be beat with almost any other weapon, if a little brains are applied to the problem. I've found lately that hunting down and sneaking up on the LR users is even more satisfying than popping up over a hill and terminating snipers, but not until I've made sure they've noticed me so that they have enough time to finish pooping their dropsuits.
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 125	Posted - 2013.01.27 13:48:00 - [23] - Quote The legend345 wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Tau5 wrote: I hate when people misinterpret their lack of skill as a "real" balance issue. After this they'll be saying Mass Drivers have a "real" problem. Mass drivers do have a real problem.....6 explosive sprays before a reload and good fire rate is ridiculous No. Your just a cry baby. very informative. Did you think that up all by yourself? Mass Drivers, as many of your overlords from the Imperfects have pointed out in numerous posts, are lol worthy. They would at least make more sense if the magazine number is reduced rather than the current situation of creating another form of grenade spam and are used tactically, and CCP introduces different forms of ammo e.g. the possibility of flux grenades - with changes to splash damage.
Rifter7 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 12	Posted - 2013.02.17 03:29:00 - [24] - Quote just stopping by to leave my opinion on the matter. noticed the threads a bit old but its the closest one to this topic under search. hope ccp isn't considering this. they're very niche weapons and aren't very good at anything else, and because of that should be good at what they do. if ccp does decide to make a change i hope it's a slight tweak and not a heavy handed nerf.. otherwise there will be some disappointed new AR players on the field.
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.02.17 03:37:00 - [25] - Quote Where are people getting this idea that they're going to nerf the Laser Rifle? First: The LR is fine and really shouldn't be messed with. Second: CCP hasn't even mentioned the LR in forever.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2013.02.17 03:53:00 - [26] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: ok ccp the rumors say that your planing to nerf the Laser rifle (damage range clip size...) If that is true PLEASE DONT DO IT the lLR is fine its **** at close range and it is a hard counter but if youre still willing to nerf it then do this -Give us more range (its a kitten laser A LASER KITTEN BEAM it has to have more range then a freaking AR) -Reduce the Damage (to counter the extra range) -make it overheat slower ( more time for pre-heating before 2 or 3 sec killing someone) - Bigger clip size ( TO counter the slower over heat) You do know that they also plan on implementing more laser rifle types? A close ranged Laser rifle? A long ranged laser rifle? A burst laser rifle? A specialist laser rifle? I remember seeing somewhere that they had planned on adding more laser rifles, so we will probably see some of these in the future. So if you want a laser rifle with more range, but reduced damage, then they'll probably have a tactical laser rifle for you.


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