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Tamuramu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 15	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:34:00 - [1] - Quote They can kill from across the map and it only takes a few seconds for them to kill you. This really need to be fixed.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:36:00 - [2] - Quote "a few seconds"? they must of been a new player. the higher end ones can kill in about a half a second.
Cowcerus Maximus Better Hide R Die 8	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:36:00 - [3] - Quote Though up close they do a very small amount of damage, they do more damage with longer range. I think they should do less against armor, but hey that's just me. It certain instances they can certainly seem overpowered. I won't even mention Beta ;)
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 363	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:36:00 - [4] - Quote No, they're not. Stop asking for nerfs that are not necessary. And wrong forum.
Panoscape BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 107	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:37:00 - [5] - Quote So can tanks, but it's an instant death. So can Sniper riffles, but it's an instant death. So can Orbital Strikes, but it's an instant death. Lasers are fine, they die to cqc.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:39:00 - [6] - Quote invalid post due to be a "newberry". What comes next? Tanks? HMG's? Shotguns? The scrambler pistol? We gone trough the whole beta and i can say that everything is now balanced and has a right to stay on the game and some stuff have a unqiue role which they exceed on.
Val'herik Dorn CrimeWave Syndicate 264	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:42:00 - [7] - Quote And so begins the newberry nerf rage. And on the first day CCP createx new eden and it has been generally regarded ss a bad idea by nublets everywhere.
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 967	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:42:00 - [8] - Quote Take a laser into a close range fight then tell me its OP.
Disposable Meat Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:43:00 - [9] - Quote Trying making a new char with a laser and see how easy it is to be "OP" with it. Sometimes people are just better than you. People calling for nerfs on things that they have no personal experience with is infuriating.
Tamuramu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 15	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:47:00 - [10] - Quote You guys assuming I am upset because I get killed a lot by the laser rifle. No it is because I get so many kills with the laser rifle it seems OPed. Laser Rifle > Sniper Rifle Laser Rifle > Assault Rifle Laser Rifle > Shotgun The only time I actually died when using the laser rifle is when a tank comes rolling in and kills me. Other then that I am pretty much a Killing machine.

Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:47:00 - [11] - Quote ** it guys, not worth it anymore, the QQ-ers got what they wanted. ***** idiots.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:48:00 - [12] - Quote Disposable Meat wrote: Trying making a new char with a laser and see how easy it is to be "OP" with it. Sometimes people are just better than you. People calling for nerfs on things that they have no personal experience with is infuriating. LOL I did this....it was easypeasy and laughable. I dont really like lasers that much as I prefer more CQC battles but it was still laughably easy....and that was with just standard laser. If the heatup was changed such that it overheated by after about 40-50 rounds (with only 1 skill lvl in it) then that would probably go along way to balancing it without even having to touch the other things like the increased damage over firing time. Some people are just too worried about protecting their gun from being properly balanced because they are afraid that CCP will bring the nerf hammer like they have done on most things. So instead they are willing to argue that there is no imbalance using arguments that have already time and time again been proven false.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1062	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:50:00 - [13] - Quote Tamuramu wrote: They can kill from across the map and it only takes a few seconds for them to kill you. This really need to be fixed. First of all- "across the map" is because ambush is tiny. They're very rare to see in skirmish and only seem to be used for point defense. They have 2 very clear weaknesses- They're terrible in CQC, and the laser is a neon arrow pointing out a target for every sniper and his brother.
Cosorvin DUST University Ivy League 45	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:59:00 - [14] - Quote Panoscape wrote: So can tanks, but it's an instant death. So can Sniper riffles, but it's an instant death. So can Orbital Strikes, but it's an instant death. Lasers are fine, they die to cqc. Im somewhat new to this so I cant really support either stand points
Disposable Meat Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:00:00 - [15] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Disposable Meat wrote: Trying making a new char with a laser and see how easy it is to be "OP" with it. Sometimes people are just better than you. People calling for nerfs on things that they have no personal experience with is infuriating. LOL I did this....it was easypeasy and laughable. I dont really like lasers that much as I prefer more CQC battles but it was still laughably easy....and that was with just standard laser. If the heatup was changed such that it overheated by after about 40-50 rounds (with only 1 skill lvl in it) then that would probably go along way to balancing it without even having to touch the other things like the increased damage over firing time. Some people are just too worried about protecting their gun from being properly balanced because they are afraid that CCP will bring the nerf hammer like they have done on most things. So instead they are willing to argue that there is no imbalance using arguments that have already time and time again been proven false. I don't personally play with a laser, I just don't like it when people blindly rage for nerfs when they have no personal experience with something. That being said I tried lasers out and there are situations where they are ******* bullshit. Like that ambush level with all the rocks. Edit: I suppose I should mention that I don't think lasers are OP, they are far more situational than AR. I will admit I haven't been playing this game as long as most so I will defer to people who have been playing longer's judgement but I don't personally see them as OP.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:02:00 - [16] - Quote Cosorvin wrote: Im somewhat new to this so I cant really support either stand points i think it's the damage of the laser. it goes up exponentially as the beam is on the target. making the first 1/4 a second equal to a AR but at the 2/4-3/4ths of a second it seems to be a sniper round.
Cosorvin DUST University Ivy League 45	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:08:00 - [17] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: Cosorvin wrote: Im somewhat new to this so I cant really support either stand points i think it's the damage of the laser. it goes up exponentially as the beam is on the target. making the first 1/4 a second equal to a AR but at the 2/4-3/4ths of a second it seems to be a sniper round. Thats sums up the laser destroying me everytime I spawned in our one and only pit
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:08:00 - [18] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Disposable Meat wrote: Trying making a new char with a laser and see how easy it is to be "OP" with it. Sometimes people are just better than you. People calling for nerfs on things that they have no personal experience with is infuriating. LOL I did this....it was easypeasy and laughable. I dont really like lasers that much as I prefer more CQC battles but it was still laughably easy....and that was with just standard laser. If the heatup was changed such that it overheated by after about 40-50 rounds (with only 1 skill lvl in it) then that would probably go along way to balancing it without even having to touch the other things like the increased damage over firing time. Some people are just too worried about protecting their gun from being properly balanced because they are afraid that CCP will bring the nerf hammer like they have done on most things. So instead they are willing to argue that there is no imbalance using arguments that have already time and time again been proven false. every weapon in the game (aside from Nova Knives) is laughably easy when used correctly at it's optimum range. By your logic, every gun in the game needs nerfed. Sounds to me like you just don't want any weapons that you don't regularly used nerfed into ineffectiveness.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1062	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:12:00 - [19] - Quote You son of a *****. Well, my fellow forumers, what shall we do about this one?
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:22:00 - [20] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: You son of a *****. Well, my fellow forumers, what shall we do about this one? +1

4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 650	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:23:00 - [21] - Quote Tamuramu wrote: They can kill from across the map and it only takes a few seconds for them to kill you. This really need to be fixed. Just like a OB... We should nerf them next.
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 50	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:30:00 - [22] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: You son of a *****. Well, my fellow forumers, what shall we do about this one? What can we do? If CCP is going to nerf because of QQ then who's really at fault? The QQers always exist and their behavior keeps getting reinforced. If laser rifles are getting nerfed to uselessness maybe we should worry less about complaints (unless somebody has a plan to eliminate whiners) and more about CCP preemptively omni-nerfing things.
Vile Heathen Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 352	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:35:00 - [23] - Quote Players who use lasers proficiently are smart enough to use complex damage mods and put ranks into sharpshooter. Said laser operator will also likely lose against an AR operator who also has complex mods, sharpshooter, as well as AR operation to reduce recoil. Quit your whining and be smarter with your SP.
The legend345 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 73	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:36:00 - [24] - Quote Tamuramu wrote: They can kill from across the map and it only takes a few seconds for them to kill you. This really need to be fixed. SAY WHAT!? A LONG RANGE WEAPON KILLS YOU FAST LONG RANGE? OMFG people are so pathetic.
Tamuramu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 15	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:37:00 - [25] - Quote You people continue to fail to understand why nerfs happen. In order for a weapon to be considered balance it must a pros and cons. When the Pros of a weapon outweigh the cons then there is a problem. Example: Sniper Rifle: Pros: High damage, High Accuracy Cons: Low Rate of Fire, Small Clips, Long reload time Shotgun: Pros: High damage, great hip fire accuracy Cons: Terrible range, Terrible Accuracy at long range. People who complain about nerfs don't understand the reason for nerfs.
Jayquan18 The Southern Legion 42	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:41:00 - [26] - Quote If they were OP then it wouldn't be a disadvantage, witch is close range.
Disposable Meat Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:41:00 - [27] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: Cosorvin wrote: Im somewhat new to this so I cant really support either stand points i think it's the damage of the laser. it goes up exponentially as the beam is on the target. making the first 1/4 a second equal to a AR but at the 2/4-3/4ths of a second it seems to be a sniper round. The first quarter of a second is not equal to AR, it's significantly less. If you read the stats I think it's starting shot is equal to the dmg advertised in the weapon info.
Tamuramu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 15	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:45:00 - [28] - Quote Jayquan18 wrote: If they were OP then it wouldn't be a disadvantage, witch is close range. The LR should not be nerfed in Accuracy nor in Clip size. Instead the damage should be tweaked. I have killed so many people in less then a few seconds with the LR. Sometimes they don't even have a chance to fire back before I kill them.
The legend345 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 73	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:48:00 - [29] - Quote 4447 wrote: Tamuramu wrote: They can kill from across the map and it only takes a few seconds for them to kill you. This really need to be fixed. Just like a OB... We should nerf them next. seriously this would have the same logic.
The legend345 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 73	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:49:00 - [30] - Quote Tamuramu wrote: Jayquan18 wrote: If they were OP then it wouldn't be a disadvantage, witch is close range. The LR should not be nerfed in Accuracy nor in Clip size. Instead the damage should be tweaked. I have killed so many people in less then a few seconds with the LR. Sometimes they don't even have a chance to fire back before I kill them. :O was it at range? sounds similar to the hmg at close range, the headshot of a sniper.

Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:51:00 - [31] - Quote Tamuramu wrote: Jayquan18 wrote: If they were OP then it wouldn't be a disadvantage, witch is close range. The LR should not be nerfed in Accuracy nor in Clip size. Instead the damage should be tweaked. I have killed so many people in less then a few seconds with the LR. Sometimes they don't even have a chance to fire back before I kill them. Sometimes people don't have a chance to fire back when I kill them with my SMG. Sometimes I kill fat suits with a single Breach Scrambler headshot. Nobody is calling either of those OP.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.01.25 21:05:00 - [32] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: semperfi1999 wrote: Disposable Meat wrote: Trying making a new char with a laser and see how easy it is to be "OP" with it. Sometimes people are just better than you. People calling for nerfs on things that they have no personal experience with is infuriating. LOL I did this....it was easypeasy and laughable. I dont really like lasers that much as I prefer more CQC battles but it was still laughably easy....and that was with just standard laser. If the heatup was changed such that it overheated by after about 40-50 rounds (with only 1 skill lvl in it) then that would probably go along way to balancing it without even having to touch the other things like the increased damage over firing time. Some people are just too worried about protecting their gun from being properly balanced because they are afraid that CCP will bring the nerf hammer like they have done on most things. So instead they are willing to argue that there is no imbalance using arguments that have already time and time again been proven false. every weapon in the game (aside from Nova Knives) is laughably easy when used correctly at it's optimum range. By your logic, every gun in the game needs nerfed. Sounds to me like you just don't want any weapons that you don't regularly used nerfed into ineffectiveness. Considering you can just swipe over a target and do massive amounts of dmg (a knick from the viziam does 250-300 dmg) this is a little extreme. But hey if it doesnt get nerfed that just means most people will eventually move to it. I love how practically everyone said that ARs needed the nerf that they got (i agree with recoil but thats another matter) but heck no we should not touch the weapon that you prefer to use.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.25 21:48:00 - [33] - Quote Tamuramu wrote: Jayquan18 wrote: If they were OP then it wouldn't be a disadvantage, witch is close range. The LR should not be nerfed in Accuracy nor in Clip size. Instead the damage should be tweaked. I have killed so many people in less then a few seconds with the LR. Sometimes they don't even have a chance to fire back before I kill them. And this is different than EVERY OTHER GUN how exactly? Have you considered the possibilty that you're just not very good with the other weapons yet? Every weapon is more than capable of this same feat. semperfi1999 wrote: Baal Roo wrote: every weapon in the game (aside from Nova Knives) is laughably easy when used correctly at it's optimum range. By your logic, every gun in the game needs nerfed. Sounds to me like you just don't want any weapons that you don't regularly used nerfed into ineffectiveness. Considering you can just swipe over a target and do massive amounts of dmg (a knick from the viziam does 250-300 dmg) this is a little extreme. But hey if it doesnt get nerfed that just means most people will eventually move to it. I love how practically everyone said that ARs needed the nerf that they got (i agree with recoil but thats another matter) but heck no we should not touch the weapon that you prefer to use. Yes, if you perfectly time your swipe right at the end of the heat build, you do a bunch of damage... almost as much as a mid-level niper Rifle, and roughly as much as a shotgun of the same level. OTOH, if you aren't careful while doing so, you kill yourself... oh, and they have to be at the perfect optimal range... and you've been firing the laser for a few seconds already, giving everyone in the area a bead on EXACTLY where you are (it's quite literally a giant LASER POINTER on your position)... and it does **** damage at most other weapons best ranges... get the idea yet? Also, I don't know why you keep insisting that anyone who doesn't agree with you on the LR must use it as their primary weapon. It's a ridiculous straw man, and just goes to show that you aren't ACTUALLY interested in having a discussion on the issue and considering the oposing viewpoint. I have 1 lvl of Laser Rifle, just like I have 1 lvl in almost every other weapon available (I've even got a level of nova knives) and I have probably used the LR for a combined total of 3 minutes so far this build.
Enkidu Camuel Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:10:00 - [34] - Quote LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire.
Disturbingly Bored Universal Allies Inc. 93	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:16:00 - [35] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: invalid post due to be a "newberry". What comes next? Tanks? HMG's? Shotguns? The scrambler pistol? Weapons and grenades are overpowered. The damage of all weapons should be reduced by 30%. Vehicles and dropsuits are overpowered, too. They all need their shield and armor reduced by 30%. Then we'll have balance!
DEADPOOL5241 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 235	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:18:00 - [36] - Quote ADSKI, how much are you laughing your ass of right now..
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:29:00 - [37] - Quote Enkidu Camuel wrote: LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed.
Octavian Vetiver Dog Nation United Relativity Alliance 152	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:31:00 - [38] - Quote Laser Pros: Good range that matches with assault rifles, can build up to high damages Cons: junk at close ranges, beam needs to be kept on target over a period of time, has to be heated to really do any damage, overheating will cause it to blow up killing it's user, makes a giant visible beacon for everyone Anymore cons you want me to point out?
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 433	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:33:00 - [39] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: invalid post due to be a "newberry". What comes next? Tanks? HMG's? Shotguns? The scrambler pistol? We gone trough the whole beta and i can say that everything is now balanced and has a right to stay on the game and some stuff have a unqiue role which they exceed on. yea i knew this would happen, hopefully CCP has backbone to these noobs or else they will turn it into paintball in space where the top player has 12 kills avaerage and everyone uses an AR/pistol, oh wait they'll get those nerfed also
Enkidu Camuel Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 69	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:37:00 - [40] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Enkidu Camuel wrote: LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case because no one will use LR's again after that nerf.

Magpie Raven ZionTCD Legacy Rising 161	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:40:00 - [41] - Quote Lasers are not OP. Did you consider that maybe the guy was using an elm or a viziam? And what was youre suit. Militia? Standard. Of coarse it will destroy you quickly. The same way that advanced AR will. I use the lasers now and i used them before the last build. They are hard to use. I get way more assists than actual kills. More often they run out of the way before i can get through their armor
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 433	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:44:00 - [42] - Quote Tamuramu wrote: Jayquan18 wrote: If they were OP then it wouldn't be a disadvantage, witch is close range. The LR should not be nerfed in Accuracy nor in Clip size. Instead the damage should be tweaked. I have killed so many people in less then a few seconds with the LR. Sometimes they don't even have a chance to fire back before I kill them. those many ppl you killed were probably caught out in the open, had they been in cover it would've been different. i get fried by lasers when i'm in open range, which compells me to call a counter sniper, or make one of my own, or meet one in a chat, or i could call a dropship and drop in behind the laser, instead of crying here on the forums i could man up and deal with the problem without making a QQ post. for the record i'm a masshole or AR. no the laser does not need nerf, nor the shotgun, nor the HMG. yea they get one thing nerfed and then they jump on this bandwagon and they feel empowered to get everything nerfed instead of man up and fight. i've already seen what they did the the creodron- the "tweaks" they did totally mothballed the gun.. everyone thinks "oh awesome something getting nerfed and we will have a win button now" but the cycle of nerfing never ends, ther are unforeseen consequences when devs nerf and then the noobs who cried for nerf are soon crying for another one because they didnt foresee the results of the first nerf which caused something else to become OP which they will soon be QQing about and this goes on and on just check BF3 for example.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:46:00 - [43] - Quote Enkidu Camuel wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Enkidu Camuel wrote: LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf. Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for. For the record, I do actually think the viziam is a tad bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2049	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:48:00 - [44] - Quote Raise the overheating speed 40-25%, fixed Icy Tiger wrote: Let me set this straight. The Viziam is a f***ing prototype gun. If a proto gun isn't OP, then wtf is it doing? QFT now bring all other prototype guns back to the way they were
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:48:00 - [45] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Enkidu Camuel wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Enkidu Camuel wrote: LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf. Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for. For the record, I do, actually think the viziam is a bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs. Let me set this straight. The Viziam is a f***ing prototype gun. If a proto gun isn't OP, then wtf is it doing?
theschizogenious KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:50:00 - [46] - Quote made a thread regarding this and other things to do with weapons please add to it and talk it up if you agree so that it will get the support it needs for ccp to listen to us and not the newberries for once its not letting me post the link?
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:51:00 - [47] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Enkidu Camuel wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Enkidu Camuel wrote: LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf. Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for. For the record, I do, actually think the viziam is a bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs. Let me set this straight. The Viziam is a f***ing prototype gun. If a proto gun isn't OP, then wtf is it doing? I think I generally agree with you, and I'm of the opinion that the game is pretty close to balanced right now. However, I've seen a few run downs of the actual damage numbers, and it seems that when they nerfed all the other proto weapons they didn't even touch the viziam. Resulting in a more pronounced jump from the ELM to the Viziam than any other Adv -> Proto. This alone is the ONLY reason I say the viziam could do with a minor nerf. If it helps to ease the tide of the nerfhorde, then it's a compromise I think the more level headed of us should be willing to concede.
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:55:00 - [48] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: I think I generally agree with you, and I'm of the opinion that the game is pretty close to balanced right now. However, I've seen a few run downs of the actual damage numbers, and it seems that when they nerfed all the other proto weapons they didn't even touch the viziam. Resulting in a more pronounced jump from the ELM to the Viziam than any other Adv -> Proto. This alone is the ONLY reason I say the viziam could do with a minor nerf. If it helps to ease the tide of the nerfhorde, then it's a compromise I think the more level headed of us should be willing to concede. But why nerf this gun? Why not buff the others?
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.25 22:58:00 - [49] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Baal Roo wrote: I think I generally agree with you, and I'm of the opinion that the game is pretty close to balanced right now. However, I've seen a few run downs of the actual damage numbers, and it seems that when they nerfed all the other proto weapons they didn't even touch the viziam. Resulting in a more pronounced jump from the ELM to the Viziam than any other Adv -> Proto. This alone is the ONLY reason I say the viziam could do with a minor nerf. If it helps to ease the tide of the nerfhorde, then it's a compromise I think the more level headed of us should be willing to concede. But why nerf this gun? Why not buff the others? Because it's easier to fix 1 gun to match the others than it is to buff all the others to match the 1. Furthermore, they already intentionally nerfed all the others, so why would we assume they would be in a hurry to put them back the way they were?
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 248	Posted - 2013.01.26 00:36:00 - [50] - Quote Tamuramu wrote: You guys assuming I am upset because I get killed a lot by the laser rifle. No it is because I get so many kills with the laser rifle it seems OPed. Laser Rifle > Sniper Rifle, at range of 60-90m Laser Rifle > Assault Rifle, at range of 60-90m Laser Rifle > Shotgun, at range of 60-90m The only time I actually died when using the laser rifle is when a tank comes rolling in and kills me. Other then that I am pretty much a Killing machine. Fixed it for you!

Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 445	Posted - 2013.01.26 00:47:00 - [51] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Enkidu Camuel wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Enkidu Camuel wrote: LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf. Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for. For the record, I do actually think the viziam is a tad bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs. No, do you realize the cost of the viziam? 86k, add that to your suit and you'll be lucky to break even isk wise after 2 deaths in a match. Don't be a fool, using the Viziam is a huge iskvsreward.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.26 02:10:00 - [52] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Enkidu Camuel wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Enkidu Camuel wrote: LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf. Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for. For the record, I do actually think the viziam is a tad bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs. No, do you realize the cost of the viziam? 86k, add that to your suit and you'll be lucky to break even isk wise after 2 deaths in a match. Don't be a fool, using the Viziam is a huge iskvsreward. Don't use prototype weapons in instant battles unless you intend to lose money.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 445	Posted - 2013.01.26 02:13:00 - [53] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Enkidu Camel wrote: Enkidu Camuel wrote: LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf. Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for. For the record, I do actually think the viziam is a tad bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs. No, do you realize the cost of the viziam? 86k, add that to your suit and you'll be lucky to break even isk wise after 2 deaths in a match. Don't be a fool, using the Viziam is a huge iskvsreward. Don't use prototype weapons in instant battles unless you intend to lose money. Who says I lose more then 2? After the one and I've gotten 10 or so kills I switch to my elm suit and finish the game. Point is it should have way more damage at the price and skill level as well as fitting costs.
Meknow Intaki Northwind Alliance 11	Posted - 2013.01.26 02:15:00 - [54] - Quote Death beams suck
Zat Earthshatter Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 304	Posted - 2013.01.26 02:24:00 - [55] - Quote Basically, the LR is in a good place - it works best on open maps like Manus Peak where you can get the 60-90m range to max-out damage. Close-in maps like the "Biomass" Skim Junction don't see nearly as many due to effective range issues - you see more ARs in these zones. If you are being killed by the LR, then you have two options: >pull out a sniper, and stay at a very long range where he can't reach you. >Call in your free LAV, then get close to the LR user. At close range, the LR damage is almost nil, letting you pop him with a standard AR. Bonus points if you can kill him with the turret. Do watch for his sidearm, however. >DO NOT continue to engage him at the range he's killing you at, or he will kill you again. If you fight a particular weapon in its butter zone, "you're gonna have a bad time!"
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.26 02:25:00 - [56] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Don't use prototype weapons in instant battles unless you intend to lose money. Who says I lose more then 2? After the one and I've gotten 10 or so kills I switch to my elm suit and finish the game. Point is it should have way more damage at the price and skill level as well as fitting costs. I disagree, and I don't see where you have made an argument to back up your opinion here. As far as I can tell, your reasoning is "just cuz". Care to elaborate on why prototype gear should be viable for pick up pub matches?
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 229	Posted - 2013.01.26 02:35:00 - [57] - Quote Tamuramu wrote: They can kill from across the map and it only takes a few seconds for them to kill you. This really need to be fixed. please...please.... look at what they did to missile turrets! whenever you see a laser rifle just hide, call in a free onikuma, get closer and smash the laser user. But I'm pretty sure you didn't know that lasers sucks at short range so you won't ask for a nerf anymore (...oh well, i hope) and please, remember missile turrets (may they rest in peace)
Lavirac JR DUST University Ivy League 129	Posted - 2013.01.26 02:35:00 - [58] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Take a laser into a close range fight then tell me its OP. Yeah, just shotgun scouted one, use cover to get close to him and the rest of the short distance just rushed him straight on... Funny him trying to kill me with that in close range (BTW, I was in flipping endurance fitted scout armor, very low HP)
lDocHollidayl Imperfects Negative-Feedback 171	Posted - 2013.01.26 02:38:00 - [59] - Quote Actually it is only about 90 meters. Then at 100 it is 0 efficiency. Oh, and anything 50 meters and under gives an insanely low damage. +1 for doing your home work and using facts NUB
Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 46	Posted - 2013.01.26 03:07:00 - [60] - Quote I love how these people aren't allowed to voice an opinion because they're new. It's unbalanced. It is just as effective against armour as it is against shield which shouldn't be the case. I understand that laser rifles are rubbish up close but that's what a sidearm is for, and it kills that fast, it seems you shouldn't even worry about CQC encounters.

Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 445	Posted - 2013.01.26 03:18:00 - [61] - Quote Kiiran-B wrote: I love how these people aren't allowed to voice an opinion because they're new. It's unbalanced. It is just as effective against armour as it is against shield which shouldn't be the case. I understand that laser rifles are rubbish up close but that's what a sidearm is for, and it kills that fast, it seems you shouldn't even worry about CQC encounters. Have you used a laser rifle before? I def can see the damage difference between the shields and armor. What's the issue and why do people cry about this all the time saying it eats my armor to fast? Its because your shield tanking, the exact thing an LR is made to eat But but it kills my heavy just as fast. Well kid, cuz the heavy is fat, easy to keep the LR on with no problem, before I "insta" pwn a heavy I'm at full heat build giving me great alpha. Also you have to think current heavys are Amarr, some ships usually t2 or capitals have weird resistance, i.e the amarr heavy might actually have a bigger em hole, while the gallante has good em armor resistance but crappy thermal resistance. The problem is we just don't know, we don't know the resists, we don't know like as is in eve if the bigger the suit the bigger the sig radius therefore taking more damage while smaller sigs would take less.
Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 46	Posted - 2013.01.26 03:43:00 - [62] - Quote Y0UR NAME HERE wrote: Kiiran-B wrote: I love how these people aren't allowed to voice an opinion because they're new. It's unbalanced. It is just as effective against armour as it is against shield which shouldn't be the case. I understand that laser rifles are rubbish up close but that's what a sidearm is for, and it kills that fast, it seems you shouldn't even worry about CQC encounters. Have you used a laser rifle before? I def can see the damage difference between the shields and armor. What's the issue and why do people cry about this all the time saying it eats my armor to fast? Its because your shield tanking, the exact thing an LR is made to eat But but it kills my heavy just as fast. Well kid, cuz the heavy is fat, easy to keep the LR on with no problem, before I "insta" pwn a heavy I'm at full heat build giving me great alpha. Also you have to think current heavys are Amarr, some ships usually t2 or capitals have weird resistance, i.e the amarr heavy might actually have a bigger em hole, while the gallante has good em armor resistance but crappy thermal resistance. The problem is we just don't know, we don't know the resists, we don't know like as is in eve if the bigger the suit the bigger the sig radius therefore taking more damage while smaller sigs would take less. I used it before the wipe and it actually wasn't bad. Obviously wasn't killing people left and right but I got a few kills easily enough. I don't see a problem with it melting shields it's what it's made for. But it shouldn't melt 600 odd armor on a heavy just as easy even if the heavy is slow, it isn't what the weapon is made to do. Does what it's supposed to do with extreme effect and also does the opposite of what it's supposed to with extreme effect = unbalanced.
Y0UR NAME HERE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 445	Posted - 2013.01.26 03:49:00 - [63] - Quote You missed the part of my post about resistance, we know everything has different resists. What we don't know is current resistance, like I said for all we know, the amarr heavy has a weak em resistance. When I shoot a minmatar logistics suit, the armor actually takes longer to burn then a heavy. This isn't a balance problem this is a lack of Dev giving knowledge or resistance stats on suits. It could also have something to do with signature radius, i.e with 1 clip I can take a drop ships shields to half with my viziam, but it takes longer on an LAV.
Fazel Mercader Infinite Outcomes 2	Posted - 2013.01.26 04:25:00 - [64] - Quote I admit this weapon is pretty powerful. But I dont kill players just as the first to post stated. Takes me awhile. Mind you I am playing from Aus so i gotta consider lag =)
Crazy Mistah Jay Prima Gallicus 11	Posted - 2013.01.27 18:47:00 - [65] - Quote I'm not a PGM in DUST 514, but i'm not a beginner at all, but i've generally see a lot of guys kills me fastly with the first Laser Rifle (maybe in 2-3 seconds, sometimes less), because they have kills me too fastly than i can't take cover, and i've a friend who have testing this weapon and he loved it because he can killed a lot of peoples with this LR (he have agree, like me or other friends, than this weapon is too powerfull). I know, and i agree than this weapon must stay powerfull against shields or at more range than Assault Rifle, but i think that shame this weapon is more powerfull than an HMG against infantry armor (a standard LR can kill me faster at long range than a standard HMG at closer distance, it's just crazy). And i smile when i see some peoples here who makes apologize of LR, because i've already see some of them used it, and have used it a lot of months before the last reset, and generally with an heavy dropsuit PS : i think a weapon can be balancing for have interesting use without cheating use (we are in beta at all )


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