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Tamuramu wrote:Jayquan18 wrote:If they were OP then it wouldn't be a disadvantage, witch is close range. The LR should not be nerfed in Accuracy nor in Clip size. Instead the damage should be tweaked. I have killed so many people in less then a few seconds with the LR. Sometimes they don't even have a chance to fire back before I kill them.
Sometimes people don't have a chance to fire back when I kill them with my SMG. Sometimes I kill fat suits with a single Breach Scrambler headshot. Nobody is calling either of those OP. |
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Baal Roo wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Disposable Meat wrote:Trying making a new char with a laser and see how easy it is to be "OP" with it.
Sometimes people are just better than you.
People calling for nerfs on things that they have no personal experience with is infuriating. LOL I did this....it was easypeasy and laughable. I dont really like lasers that much as I prefer more CQC battles but it was still laughably easy....and that was with just standard laser. If the heatup was changed such that it overheated by after about 40-50 rounds (with only 1 skill lvl in it) then that would probably go along way to balancing it without even having to touch the other things like the increased damage over firing time. Some people are just too worried about protecting their gun from being properly balanced because they are afraid that CCP will bring the nerf hammer like they have done on most things. So instead they are willing to argue that there is no imbalance using arguments that have already time and time again been proven false. every weapon in the game (aside from Nova Knives) is laughably easy when used correctly at it's optimum range. By your logic, every gun in the game needs nerfed. Sounds to me like you just don't want any weapons that you don't regularly used nerfed into ineffectiveness.
Considering you can just swipe over a target and do massive amounts of dmg (a knick from the viziam does 250-300 dmg) this is a little extreme. But hey if it doesnt get nerfed that just means most people will eventually move to it. I love how practically everyone said that ARs needed the nerf that they got (i agree with recoil but thats another matter) but heck no we should not touch the weapon that you prefer to use. |
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:48:00 -
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Tamuramu wrote:Jayquan18 wrote:If they were OP then it wouldn't be a disadvantage, witch is close range. The LR should not be nerfed in Accuracy nor in Clip size. Instead the damage should be tweaked. I have killed so many people in less then a few seconds with the LR. Sometimes they don't even have a chance to fire back before I kill them.
And this is different than EVERY OTHER GUN how exactly? Have you considered the possibilty that you're just not very good with the other weapons yet? Every weapon is more than capable of this same feat.
semperfi1999 wrote:Baal Roo wrote:
every weapon in the game (aside from Nova Knives) is laughably easy when used correctly at it's optimum range. By your logic, every gun in the game needs nerfed. Sounds to me like you just don't want any weapons that you don't regularly used nerfed into ineffectiveness.
Considering you can just swipe over a target and do massive amounts of dmg (a knick from the viziam does 250-300 dmg) this is a little extreme. But hey if it doesnt get nerfed that just means most people will eventually move to it. I love how practically everyone said that ARs needed the nerf that they got (i agree with recoil but thats another matter) but heck no we should not touch the weapon that you prefer to use.
Yes, if you perfectly time your swipe right at the end of the heat build, you do a bunch of damage... almost as much as a mid-level niper Rifle, and roughly as much as a shotgun of the same level. OTOH, if you aren't careful while doing so, you kill yourself... oh, and they have to be at the perfect optimal range... and you've been firing the laser for a few seconds already, giving everyone in the area a bead on EXACTLY where you are (it's quite literally a giant LASER POINTER on your position)... and it does **** damage at most other weapons best ranges... get the idea yet?
Also, I don't know why you keep insisting that anyone who doesn't agree with you on the LR must use it as their primary weapon. It's a ridiculous straw man, and just goes to show that you aren't ACTUALLY interested in having a discussion on the issue and considering the oposing viewpoint. I have 1 lvl of Laser Rifle, just like I have 1 lvl in almost every other weapon available (I've even got a level of nova knives) and I have probably used the LR for a combined total of 3 minutes so far this build. |
Enkidu Camuel
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LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. |
Disturbingly Bored
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The dark cloud wrote:invalid post due to be a "newberry". What comes next? Tanks? HMG's? Shotguns? The scrambler pistol?
Weapons and grenades are overpowered. The damage of all weapons should be reduced by 30%.
Vehicles and dropsuits are overpowered, too. They all need their shield and armor reduced by 30%.
Then we'll have balance! |
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:18:00 -
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ADSKI, how much are you laughing your ass of right now.. |
Baal Roo
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:29:00 -
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Enkidu Camuel wrote:LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire.
Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so.
Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. |
Octavian Vetiver
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:31:00 -
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Laser
Pros: Good range that matches with assault rifles, can build up to high damages
Cons: junk at close ranges, beam needs to be kept on target over a period of time, has to be heated to really do any damage, overheating will cause it to blow up killing it's user, makes a giant visible beacon for everyone
Anymore cons you want me to point out? |
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:33:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:invalid post due to be a "newberry". What comes next? Tanks? HMG's? Shotguns? The scrambler pistol?
We gone trough the whole beta and i can say that everything is now balanced and has a right to stay on the game and some stuff have a unqiue role which they exceed on.
yea i knew this would happen, hopefully CCP has backbone to these noobs or else they will turn it into paintball in space where the top player has 12 kills avaerage and everyone uses an AR/pistol, oh wait they'll get those nerfed also |
Enkidu Camuel
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Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed.
It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case because no one will use LR's again after that nerf. |
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:40:00 -
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Lasers are not OP. Did you consider that maybe the guy was using an elm or a viziam? And what was youre suit. Militia? Standard.
Of coarse it will destroy you quickly. The same way that advanced AR will.
I use the lasers now and i used them before the last build. They are hard to use. I get way more assists than actual kills. More often they run out of the way before i can get through their armor |
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:44:00 -
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Tamuramu wrote:Jayquan18 wrote:If they were OP then it wouldn't be a disadvantage, witch is close range. The LR should not be nerfed in Accuracy nor in Clip size. Instead the damage should be tweaked. I have killed so many people in less then a few seconds with the LR. Sometimes they don't even have a chance to fire back before I kill them.
those many ppl you killed were probably caught out in the open, had they been in cover it would've been different. i get fried by lasers when i'm in open range, which compells me to call a counter sniper, or make one of my own, or meet one in a chat, or i could call a dropship and drop in behind the laser, instead of crying here on the forums i could man up and deal with the problem without making a QQ post.
for the record i'm a masshole or AR. no the laser does not need nerf, nor the shotgun, nor the HMG. yea they get one thing nerfed and then they jump on this bandwagon and they feel empowered to get everything nerfed instead of man up and fight.
i've already seen what they did the the creodron- the "tweaks" they did totally mothballed the gun.. everyone thinks "oh awesome something getting nerfed and we will have a win button now" but the cycle of nerfing never ends, ther are unforeseen consequences when devs nerf and then the noobs who cried for nerf are soon crying for another one because they didnt foresee the results of the first nerf which caused something else to become OP which they will soon be QQing about and this goes on and on just check BF3 for example. |
Baal Roo
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:46:00 -
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Enkidu Camuel wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf.
Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for.
For the record, I do actually think the viziam is a tad bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs. |
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Raise the overheating speed 40-25%, fixed 
Icy Tiger wrote:Let me set this straight. The Viziam is a f***ing prototype gun. If a proto gun isn't OP, then wtf is it doing?
QFT now bring all other prototype guns back to the way they were  |
Icy Tiger
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Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf. Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for. For the record, I do, actually think the viziam is a bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs.
Let me set this straight. The Viziam is a f***ing prototype gun. If a proto gun isn't OP, then wtf is it doing? |
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:50:00 -
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made a thread regarding this and other things to do with weapons
please add to it and talk it up if you agree so that it will get the support it needs for ccp to listen to us and not the newberries for once
its not letting me post the link? |
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Icy Tiger wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf. Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for. For the record, I do, actually think the viziam is a bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs. Let me set this straight. The Viziam is a f***ing prototype gun. If a proto gun isn't OP, then wtf is it doing?
I think I generally agree with you, and I'm of the opinion that the game is pretty close to balanced right now. However, I've seen a few run downs of the actual damage numbers, and it seems that when they nerfed all the other proto weapons they didn't even touch the viziam. Resulting in a more pronounced jump from the ELM to the Viziam than any other Adv -> Proto. This alone is the ONLY reason I say the viziam could do with a minor nerf. If it helps to ease the tide of the nerfhorde, then it's a compromise I think the more level headed of us should be willing to concede. |
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:55:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:
I think I generally agree with you, and I'm of the opinion that the game is pretty close to balanced right now. However, I've seen a few run downs of the actual damage numbers, and it seems that when they nerfed all the other proto weapons they didn't even touch the viziam. Resulting in a more pronounced jump from the ELM to the Viziam than any other Adv -> Proto. This alone is the ONLY reason I say the viziam could do with a minor nerf. If it helps to ease the tide of the nerfhorde, then it's a compromise I think the more level headed of us should be willing to concede.
But why nerf this gun? Why not buff the others? |
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:58:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Baal Roo wrote:
I think I generally agree with you, and I'm of the opinion that the game is pretty close to balanced right now. However, I've seen a few run downs of the actual damage numbers, and it seems that when they nerfed all the other proto weapons they didn't even touch the viziam. Resulting in a more pronounced jump from the ELM to the Viziam than any other Adv -> Proto. This alone is the ONLY reason I say the viziam could do with a minor nerf. If it helps to ease the tide of the nerfhorde, then it's a compromise I think the more level headed of us should be willing to concede.
But why nerf this gun? Why not buff the others?
Because it's easier to fix 1 gun to match the others than it is to buff all the others to match the 1. Furthermore, they already intentionally nerfed all the others, so why would we assume they would be in a hurry to put them back the way they were?
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Tamuramu wrote:You guys assuming I am upset because I get killed a lot by the laser rifle. No it is because I get so many kills with the laser rifle it seems OPed.
Laser Rifle > Sniper Rifle, at range of 60-90m
Laser Rifle > Assault Rifle, at range of 60-90m
Laser Rifle > Shotgun, at range of 60-90m
The only time I actually died when using the laser rifle is when a tank comes rolling in and kills me. Other then that I am pretty much a Killing machine.
Fixed it for you! |
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Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf. Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for. For the record, I do actually think the viziam is a tad bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs.
No, do you realize the cost of the viziam? 86k, add that to your suit and you'll be lucky to break even isk wise after 2 deaths in a match. Don't be a fool, using the Viziam is a huge iskvsreward. |
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf. Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for. For the record, I do actually think the viziam is a tad bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs. No, do you realize the cost of the viziam? 86k, add that to your suit and you'll be lucky to break even isk wise after 2 deaths in a match. Don't be a fool, using the Viziam is a huge iskvsreward.
Don't use prototype weapons in instant battles unless you intend to lose money.
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Baal Roo wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camel wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf. Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for. For the record, I do actually think the viziam is a tad bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs. No, do you realize the cost of the viziam? 86k, add that to your suit and you'll be lucky to break even isk wise after 2 deaths in a match. Don't be a fool, using the Viziam is a huge iskvsreward. Don't use prototype weapons in instant battles unless you intend to lose money.
Who says I lose more then 2? After the one and I've gotten 10 or so kills I switch to my elm suit and finish the game. Point is it should have way more damage at the price and skill level as well as fitting costs. |
Meknow Intaki
Northwind Alliance
11
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:15:00 -
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Death beams suck  |
Zat Earthshatter
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:24:00 -
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Basically, the LR is in a good place - it works best on open maps like Manus Peak where you can get the 60-90m range to max-out damage. Close-in maps like the "Biomass" Skim Junction don't see nearly as many due to effective range issues - you see more ARs in these zones.
If you are being killed by the LR, then you have two options:
>pull out a sniper, and stay at a very long range where he can't reach you.
>Call in your free LAV, then get close to the LR user. At close range, the LR damage is almost nil, letting you pop him with a standard AR. Bonus points if you can kill him with the turret. Do watch for his sidearm, however.
>DO NOT continue to engage him at the range he's killing you at, or he will kill you again.
If you fight a particular weapon in its butter zone, "you're gonna have a bad time!" |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:25:00 -
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Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Baal Roo wrote:
Don't use prototype weapons in instant battles unless you intend to lose money.
Who says I lose more then 2? After the one and I've gotten 10 or so kills I switch to my elm suit and finish the game. Point is it should have way more damage at the price and skill level as well as fitting costs.
I disagree, and I don't see where you have made an argument to back up your opinion here. As far as I can tell, your reasoning is "just cuz". Care to elaborate on why prototype gear should be viable for pick up pub matches? |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
CRONOS.
229
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:35:00 -
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Tamuramu wrote:They can kill from across the map and it only takes a few seconds for them to kill you. This really need to be fixed.
please...please.... look at what they did to missile turrets! whenever you see a laser rifle just hide, call in a free onikuma, get closer and smash the laser user. But I'm pretty sure you didn't know that lasers sucks at short range so you won't ask for a nerf anymore (...oh well, i hope)
and please, remember missile turrets (may they rest in peace) |
Lavirac JR
DUST University
Ivy League
129
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:35:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:Take a laser into a close range fight then tell me its OP.
Yeah, just shotgun scouted one, use cover to get close to him and the rest of the short distance just rushed him straight on... Funny him trying to kill me with that in close range (BTW, I was in flipping endurance fitted scout armor, very low HP) |
lDocHollidayl
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
171
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:38:00 -
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Actually it is only about 90 meters. Then at 100 it is 0 efficiency. Oh, and anything 50 meters and under gives an insanely low damage.
+1 for doing your home work and using facts
NUB |
Kiiran-B
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
46
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Posted - 2013.01.26 03:07:00 -
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I love how these people aren't allowed to voice an opinion because they're new.
It's unbalanced. It is just as effective against armour as it is against shield which shouldn't be the case.
I understand that laser rifles are rubbish up close but that's what a sidearm is for, and it kills that fast, it seems you shouldn't even worry about CQC encounters.
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