DUST Search - Laser Rifles are way too Over Powered.

semperfi1999 wrote:

Disposable Meat wrote:

Trying making a new char with a laser and see how easy it is to be "OP" with it.

Sometimes people are just better than you.

People calling for nerfs on things that they have no personal experience with is infuriating.

LOL I did this....it was easypeasy and laughable. I dont really like lasers that much as I prefer more CQC battles but it was still laughably easy....and that was with just standard laser. If the heatup was changed such that it overheated by after about 40-50 rounds (with only 1 skill lvl in it) then that would probably go along way to balancing it without even having to touch the other things like the increased damage over firing time.

Some people are just too worried about protecting their gun from being properly balanced because they are afraid that CCP will bring the nerf hammer like they have done on most things. So instead they are willing to argue that there is no imbalance using arguments that have already time and time again been proven false.

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Tamuramu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 15	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:34:00 - [1] - Quote They can kill from across the map and it only takes a few seconds for them to kill you. This really need to be fixed.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:36:00 - [2] - Quote "a few seconds"? they must of been a new player. the higher end ones can kill in about a half a second.
Cowcerus Maximus Better Hide R Die 8	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:36:00 - [3] - Quote Though up close they do a very small amount of damage, they do more damage with longer range. I think they should do less against armor, but hey that's just me. It certain instances they can certainly seem overpowered. I won't even mention Beta ;)
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 363	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:36:00 - [4] - Quote No, they're not. Stop asking for nerfs that are not necessary. And wrong forum.
Panoscape BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 107	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:37:00 - [5] - Quote So can tanks, but it's an instant death. So can Sniper riffles, but it's an instant death. So can Orbital Strikes, but it's an instant death. Lasers are fine, they die to cqc.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:39:00 - [6] - Quote invalid post due to be a "newberry". What comes next? Tanks? HMG's? Shotguns? The scrambler pistol? We gone trough the whole beta and i can say that everything is now balanced and has a right to stay on the game and some stuff have a unqiue role which they exceed on.
Val'herik Dorn CrimeWave Syndicate 264	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:42:00 - [7] - Quote And so begins the newberry nerf rage. And on the first day CCP createx new eden and it has been generally regarded ss a bad idea by nublets everywhere.
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 967	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:42:00 - [8] - Quote Take a laser into a close range fight then tell me its OP.
Disposable Meat Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:43:00 - [9] - Quote Trying making a new char with a laser and see how easy it is to be "OP" with it. Sometimes people are just better than you. People calling for nerfs on things that they have no personal experience with is infuriating.
Tamuramu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 15	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:47:00 - [10] - Quote You guys assuming I am upset because I get killed a lot by the laser rifle. No it is because I get so many kills with the laser rifle it seems OPed. Laser Rifle > Sniper Rifle Laser Rifle > Assault Rifle Laser Rifle > Shotgun The only time I actually died when using the laser rifle is when a tank comes rolling in and kills me. Other then that I am pretty much a Killing machine.

Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:47:00 - [11] - Quote ** it guys, not worth it anymore, the QQ-ers got what they wanted. ***** idiots.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:48:00 - [12] - Quote Disposable Meat wrote: Trying making a new char with a laser and see how easy it is to be "OP" with it. Sometimes people are just better than you. People calling for nerfs on things that they have no personal experience with is infuriating. LOL I did this....it was easypeasy and laughable. I dont really like lasers that much as I prefer more CQC battles but it was still laughably easy....and that was with just standard laser. If the heatup was changed such that it overheated by after about 40-50 rounds (with only 1 skill lvl in it) then that would probably go along way to balancing it without even having to touch the other things like the increased damage over firing time. Some people are just too worried about protecting their gun from being properly balanced because they are afraid that CCP will bring the nerf hammer like they have done on most things. So instead they are willing to argue that there is no imbalance using arguments that have already time and time again been proven false.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1062	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:50:00 - [13] - Quote Tamuramu wrote: They can kill from across the map and it only takes a few seconds for them to kill you. This really need to be fixed. First of all- "across the map" is because ambush is tiny. They're very rare to see in skirmish and only seem to be used for point defense. They have 2 very clear weaknesses- They're terrible in CQC, and the laser is a neon arrow pointing out a target for every sniper and his brother.
Cosorvin DUST University Ivy League 45	Posted - 2013.01.25 19:59:00 - [14] - Quote Panoscape wrote: So can tanks, but it's an instant death. So can Sniper riffles, but it's an instant death. So can Orbital Strikes, but it's an instant death. Lasers are fine, they die to cqc. Im somewhat new to this so I cant really support either stand points
Disposable Meat Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:00:00 - [15] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Disposable Meat wrote: Trying making a new char with a laser and see how easy it is to be "OP" with it. Sometimes people are just better than you. People calling for nerfs on things that they have no personal experience with is infuriating. LOL I did this....it was easypeasy and laughable. I dont really like lasers that much as I prefer more CQC battles but it was still laughably easy....and that was with just standard laser. If the heatup was changed such that it overheated by after about 40-50 rounds (with only 1 skill lvl in it) then that would probably go along way to balancing it without even having to touch the other things like the increased damage over firing time. Some people are just too worried about protecting their gun from being properly balanced because they are afraid that CCP will bring the nerf hammer like they have done on most things. So instead they are willing to argue that there is no imbalance using arguments that have already time and time again been proven false. I don't personally play with a laser, I just don't like it when people blindly rage for nerfs when they have no personal experience with something. That being said I tried lasers out and there are situations where they are ******* bullshit. Like that ambush level with all the rocks. Edit: I suppose I should mention that I don't think lasers are OP, they are far more situational than AR. I will admit I haven't been playing this game as long as most so I will defer to people who have been playing longer's judgement but I don't personally see them as OP.
Necrodermis GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 460	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:02:00 - [16] - Quote Cosorvin wrote: Im somewhat new to this so I cant really support either stand points i think it's the damage of the laser. it goes up exponentially as the beam is on the target. making the first 1/4 a second equal to a AR but at the 2/4-3/4ths of a second it seems to be a sniper round.
Cosorvin DUST University Ivy League 45	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:08:00 - [17] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: Cosorvin wrote: Im somewhat new to this so I cant really support either stand points i think it's the damage of the laser. it goes up exponentially as the beam is on the target. making the first 1/4 a second equal to a AR but at the 2/4-3/4ths of a second it seems to be a sniper round. Thats sums up the laser destroying me everytime I spawned in our one and only pit
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:08:00 - [18] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: Disposable Meat wrote: Trying making a new char with a laser and see how easy it is to be "OP" with it. Sometimes people are just better than you. People calling for nerfs on things that they have no personal experience with is infuriating. LOL I did this....it was easypeasy and laughable. I dont really like lasers that much as I prefer more CQC battles but it was still laughably easy....and that was with just standard laser. If the heatup was changed such that it overheated by after about 40-50 rounds (with only 1 skill lvl in it) then that would probably go along way to balancing it without even having to touch the other things like the increased damage over firing time. Some people are just too worried about protecting their gun from being properly balanced because they are afraid that CCP will bring the nerf hammer like they have done on most things. So instead they are willing to argue that there is no imbalance using arguments that have already time and time again been proven false. every weapon in the game (aside from Nova Knives) is laughably easy when used correctly at it's optimum range. By your logic, every gun in the game needs nerfed. Sounds to me like you just don't want any weapons that you don't regularly used nerfed into ineffectiveness.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1062	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:12:00 - [19] - Quote You son of a *****. Well, my fellow forumers, what shall we do about this one?
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:22:00 - [20] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: You son of a *****. Well, my fellow forumers, what shall we do about this one? +1

4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 650	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:23:00 - [21] - Quote Tamuramu wrote: They can kill from across the map and it only takes a few seconds for them to kill you. This really need to be fixed. Just like a OB... We should nerf them next.
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 50	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:30:00 - [22] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: You son of a *****. Well, my fellow forumers, what shall we do about this one? What can we do? If CCP is going to nerf because of QQ then who's really at fault? The QQers always exist and their behavior keeps getting reinforced. If laser rifles are getting nerfed to uselessness maybe we should worry less about complaints (unless somebody has a plan to eliminate whiners) and more about CCP preemptively omni-nerfing things.
Vile Heathen Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 352	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:35:00 - [23] - Quote Players who use lasers proficiently are smart enough to use complex damage mods and put ranks into sharpshooter. Said laser operator will also likely lose against an AR operator who also has complex mods, sharpshooter, as well as AR operation to reduce recoil. Quit your whining and be smarter with your SP.
The legend345 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 73	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:36:00 - [24] - Quote Tamuramu wrote: They can kill from across the map and it only takes a few seconds for them to kill you. This really need to be fixed. SAY WHAT!? A LONG RANGE WEAPON KILLS YOU FAST LONG RANGE? OMFG people are so pathetic.
Tamuramu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 15	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:37:00 - [25] - Quote You people continue to fail to understand why nerfs happen. In order for a weapon to be considered balance it must a pros and cons. When the Pros of a weapon outweigh the cons then there is a problem. Example: Sniper Rifle: Pros: High damage, High Accuracy Cons: Low Rate of Fire, Small Clips, Long reload time Shotgun: Pros: High damage, great hip fire accuracy Cons: Terrible range, Terrible Accuracy at long range. People who complain about nerfs don't understand the reason for nerfs.
Jayquan18 The Southern Legion 42	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:41:00 - [26] - Quote If they were OP then it wouldn't be a disadvantage, witch is close range.
Disposable Meat Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:41:00 - [27] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: Cosorvin wrote: Im somewhat new to this so I cant really support either stand points i think it's the damage of the laser. it goes up exponentially as the beam is on the target. making the first 1/4 a second equal to a AR but at the 2/4-3/4ths of a second it seems to be a sniper round. The first quarter of a second is not equal to AR, it's significantly less. If you read the stats I think it's starting shot is equal to the dmg advertised in the weapon info.
Tamuramu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 15	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:45:00 - [28] - Quote Jayquan18 wrote: If they were OP then it wouldn't be a disadvantage, witch is close range. The LR should not be nerfed in Accuracy nor in Clip size. Instead the damage should be tweaked. I have killed so many people in less then a few seconds with the LR. Sometimes they don't even have a chance to fire back before I kill them.
The legend345 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 73	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:48:00 - [29] - Quote 4447 wrote: Tamuramu wrote: They can kill from across the map and it only takes a few seconds for them to kill you. This really need to be fixed. Just like a OB... We should nerf them next. seriously this would have the same logic.
The legend345 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 73	Posted - 2013.01.25 20:49:00 - [30] - Quote Tamuramu wrote: Jayquan18 wrote: If they were OP then it wouldn't be a disadvantage, witch is close range. The LR should not be nerfed in Accuracy nor in Clip size. Instead the damage should be tweaked. I have killed so many people in less then a few seconds with the LR. Sometimes they don't even have a chance to fire back before I kill them. :O was it at range? sounds similar to the hmg at close range, the headshot of a sniper.



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