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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:47:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf. Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for. For the record, I do actually think the viziam is a tad bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs.
No, do you realize the cost of the viziam? 86k, add that to your suit and you'll be lucky to break even isk wise after 2 deaths in a match. Don't be a fool, using the Viziam is a huge iskvsreward. |
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:13:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Y0UR NAME HERE wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Enkidu Camel wrote:Enkidu Camuel wrote:LR's are not OP, people need to realize that they're just IMBA, and also as everyone keeps stating: Snipers are the natural predator of a LR user, I am one of them and every time I shoot my LR in the open I need to keep my eyes open if I see the trails of the SR bullets flying close to me, if I got ambushed by several players I can dispatch one or two with my SMG, unless they have quick fingers or better weapons so you most likely going to lose a lot of CQC encounters, LR's guys have a great life unless you put them in CQC situations or under heavy sniper fire. Yes, exactly. Laser Rifles are OP against everything except for Sniper Rifles, SMGs, Pistols, Mass Drivers, Tac Rifles, Shotguns, and Grenades. They also don't deal well with ARs or HMGs inside 50m or so. Seriously though, they are so super OP vs ARs and HMGs at over 50m. Heck, there are certain times where the LR is definitely the best weapon for the job at hand, so they clearly need nerfed. It's a freaking laser, of course it has more range than any other mid range weapon, the laser is useless in CQC... lasers don't deserve the nerf hammer, they deserve a tweak to fix the IMBA issues, if the incoming nerf for the LR is true then that weapon will be totally ruined... of course, don't get confused, I'm just defending the sake of the game here not a single weapon, I like to use LR's but I'm good with AR's too, so I don't really care if the LR got totally nerfed... but the game is going to lose a weapon, I think the nerf for them is going to be too hard and I think that CCP better remove them in that case... because no one will use LR's again after that nerf. Which is precisely what the people calling for a nerf are looking for. For the record, I do actually think the viziam is a tad bit too powerful, but the standard LR and the ELM are both absolutely fine as they are. I'd say reduced the Viziam's damage output by 5-10% and everything is peachy. There is absolutely no good, compelling reason to nerf the lower tiered LRs. No, do you realize the cost of the viziam? 86k, add that to your suit and you'll be lucky to break even isk wise after 2 deaths in a match. Don't be a fool, using the Viziam is a huge iskvsreward. Don't use prototype weapons in instant battles unless you intend to lose money.
Who says I lose more then 2? After the one and I've gotten 10 or so kills I switch to my elm suit and finish the game. Point is it should have way more damage at the price and skill level as well as fitting costs. |
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Posted - 2013.01.26 03:18:00 -
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Kiiran-B wrote:I love how these people aren't allowed to voice an opinion because they're new.
It's unbalanced. It is just as effective against armour as it is against shield which shouldn't be the case.
I understand that laser rifles are rubbish up close but that's what a sidearm is for, and it kills that fast, it seems you shouldn't even worry about CQC encounters.
Have you used a laser rifle before? I def can see the damage difference between the shields and armor.
What's the issue and why do people cry about this all the time saying it eats my armor to fast? Its because your shield tanking, the exact thing an LR is made to eat
But but it kills my heavy just as fast.
Well kid, cuz the heavy is fat, easy to keep the LR on with no problem, before I "insta" pwn a heavy I'm at full heat build giving me great alpha.
Also you have to think current heavys are Amarr, some ships usually t2 or capitals have weird resistance, i.e the amarr heavy might actually have a bigger em hole, while the gallante has good em armor resistance but crappy thermal resistance.
The problem is we just don't know, we don't know the resists, we don't know like as is in eve if the bigger the suit the bigger the sig radius therefore taking more damage while smaller sigs would take less. |
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Posted - 2013.01.26 03:49:00 -
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You missed the part of my post about resistance, we know everything has different resists.
What we don't know is current resistance, like I said for all we know, the amarr heavy has a weak em resistance.
When I shoot a minmatar logistics suit, the armor actually takes longer to burn then a heavy. This isn't a balance problem this is a lack of Dev giving knowledge or resistance stats on suits.
It could also have something to do with signature radius, i.e with 1 clip I can take a drop ships shields to half with my viziam, but it takes longer on an LAV. |
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