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G Sacred 2100142574 Rubber Chicken Bombers 73	Posted - 2013.01.19 18:13:00 - [1] - Quote The title says it all. My friend and I have been going back and forth about which is more important. Obviously they both have a role in the game. If you see someone with 50,000 WP but 25 Kills and 3 Deaths, you know they are boosting. Personally I believe WP are more important than your K/D ratio. WP reflect how much of a team player you are. (this is assuming you are not boosting) If you are running around, hacking objectives, reviving/healing people, giving them ammo, and killing when you get the chance, your going to end up with a kitten ton of WP. This shows that you are trying to win the match by helping your team. My friend (who I'm not going to name for the sake of saving him hate mail) believes that your K/D ratio represents the same thing, that being how much you help your team. He is a tank driver (now some people know who he is) and focuses on killing as many people as he can. I told him that doing so is great if your defending an objective, but he refuted my point by stating he is aggressive with his tank and moves in to clear out an objective. Both roles are needed in a match otherwise you wouldn't be able to win. We have, in the friendliest way possible, called each other point-whores(me) and kill-whores(him). So I turn to all of you to hear your opinion. Which is more important in a match, brute force or teamwork? Discuss.
Logi Bro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 836	Posted - 2013.01.19 18:16:00 - [2] - Quote WP/D ratio. I would say more, but it just kinda seems obvious to me. CCP has already acknowledged that WP is more important than kills by changing the scoreboard at the end of the match to show people ranked by their total WP, not their total kills.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2013.01.19 18:18:00 - [3] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: WP/D ratio. I would say more, but it just kinda seems obvious to me. CCP has already acknowledged that WP is more important than kills by changing the scoreboard at the end of the match to show people ranked by their total WP, not their total kills. Yep. Don't know why that ratio hasn't been adopted yet.
Cody Sietz Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 63	Posted - 2013.01.19 18:20:00 - [4] - Quote WP. I dont care about K/D. Just so long as my team wins (unless its ambush of course)
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1904	Posted - 2013.01.19 18:20:00 - [5] - Quote I don't really pay much attention to either. Both are far too easy to manipulate, though WP specifically. If I see someone with a massive WP pool, my first and only thought is "booster"
Ner'Zul Nexhawk Talos Incorporated 153	Posted - 2013.01.19 18:21:00 - [6] - Quote Personally, I agree with your opinion. WP is far more important for me, considering also that I am a Logi person and therefore die a lot. However, I still get to the top of the leaderboard through healing, reviving, etc. However, I agree that if you help your teammates clear out an objective using brute force, it is also a contribution. It might be difficult to determine which is better, but in Skirmish I find teamwork and support more crucial than KDR. Especially if a person with high KDR was sniping behind the redline.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2013.01.19 18:22:00 - [7] - Quote Doesn't this thread already exist?
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1904	Posted - 2013.01.19 18:23:00 - [8] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Doesn't this thread already exist? You act like we have a search button
Greiskind-Aleph Doomheim 0	Posted - 2013.01.19 18:29:00 - [9] - Quote It's not "either-or" - KDR or WP - they're two sides of the same coin. Good players are going to have high KDR/low WP or high WP/low KDR depending on how they play - straight assault or support. The BEST players are going to be high KDR/high WP. Both "brute force" and "teamwork" are required to dominate - we've seen matches where the top players were 26/2 but their team lost. And without teammates putting out a decent KDR, even the most coordinated team will lose the match. So both stats need to be considered.
James-5955 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2013.01.19 18:31:00 - [10] - Quote I don't like picking between stats because I feel it's a collective of all stats that's important. WP are rewarded for doing anything useful though, so I'll pick that as the more important one. However I still think that being able to hold a decent/good KDR is still very important, if you can push and objective and kill more than you die, and your whole team can do it.. then that objective is yours. Assuming that KDR is actually earned by PTFOing and not farming noobs while ignoring the objectives. I don't think it's smart to compare a player to another using KDR because obviously their roles could be different and that has a large effect on K/D. I wouldn't expect a logi who focuses on repairing a heavy, reviving teammates and keeping everyones ammo supply up to have a KDR as good as the heavies or assaults that are focused more on killing and hacking.

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2013.01.19 18:34:00 - [11] - Quote None is really more important than the other. Someone who is 2-5 but is hacking objectives and installations like a mad man and is at the top of the leaderboard has significantly altered the game. However, on the other hand, someone who is 22-3 and is at the top of the leaderboards is also impacting the game by helping deplete clones and keeping enemies away from hacking/rehacking objectives. And that's in a skirmish because in ambush KD ratio is all that matters.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 215	Posted - 2013.01.19 18:35:00 - [12] - Quote Obvious answer is both and depends on game mode. For ambush K/D trumps WP, but even there WP are important for getting orbitals. As a logi WP/D is my measure of usefullness it is a direct correlation to my effectiveness to run support. However one can have both a high KD and WP. As a logi i often run SL rack up my own WP and earn commission off my best gun or rotate commands based on what i see. Ill generally rack up a lot of WP in terms of resupply/rez/rep and kill assits and then i make it up on the back end with orbital. However i generally dont help anyone but my squad since they are the only one who can effectively communicate with me. But sometimes if a teammate is nearby i will help them with the 3 R's of logibroing. With regards to skirmish again K/D trumps WP when you need to capture objective not much you can do if you can't stay alive. But WP again matters a means to obtain OBs. Really WP/D is the true and only stat that matters as it determine ones usefulness overall.
Tailss Prower Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 26	Posted - 2013.01.19 18:44:00 - [13] - Quote Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote: Personally, I agree with your opinion. WP is far more important for me, considering also that I am a Logi person and therefore die a lot. However, I still get to the top of the leaderboard through healing, reviving, etc. However, I agree that if you help your teammates clear out an objective using brute force, it is also a contribution. It might be difficult to determine which is better, but in Skirmish I find teamwork and support more crucial than KDR. Especially if a person with high KDR was sniping behind the redline. I agree with this guy however i'd be the one behind the redline that he was talking about because I see that more as a support role sniping in the back so WP and K/D don't matter to me as long as I can help the team out and get some fun kills I'm good to go
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2013.01.19 18:45:00 - [14] - Quote Well, as a Heavy the only way I really get points is through kills... so I guess both?
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 283	Posted - 2013.01.19 18:52:00 - [15] - Quote G Sacred 2100142574 wrote: The title says it all... This is good, but what is best in Dust? A good team, war points, a high K/D ratio, and the wind in your helmet Wrong. To crush their LAVs, see their Drop ships spiral out of the sky and watch their nerf posts appear on the forums. Blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne. Destruction for destructions sake is the only worthy goal in Dust. Rargh.
Doc Kok Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 74	Posted - 2013.01.19 19:16:00 - [16] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Doesn't this thread already exist? You act like we have a search button We do..
Duo H Maxwell SyNergy Gaming 38	Posted - 2013.01.19 19:21:00 - [17] - Quote lolpubs. Only thing that matters is W/L in corp matches.
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 312	Posted - 2013.01.19 19:26:00 - [18] - Quote I actually put win/loss above both. KDR and WP just represent your personal actions in a shallow way. Sometimes people just know when to make a tactical action that turns a battle around or know how to keep the enemy distracted. This does not always translate into a high score.
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2013.01.19 21:22:00 - [19] - Quote Good KD, lots of WP. AND WINNING.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1904	Posted - 2013.01.19 21:24:00 - [20] - Quote Doc Kok wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Doesn't this thread already exist? You act like we have a search button We do.. - My point - Your head

Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.01.19 22:11:00 - [21] - Quote Profit/Loss and W/L. war points and KDR are both completely irrelevant statistics.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2013.01.19 22:34:00 - [22] - Quote KDR is okay for assessing the quality of a sniper, as the only thing a sniper is liable to do is shoot and be shot. And their main value to a team comes from their ability to get kills. Unfortunately, as sniping is very safe, it's hard to distinguish between a sniper who goes 20/0 and a sniper who goes 2/0 each time over the course of 10 games, so even then, KDR isn't an absolutely useful metric. And yeah, WP can be too easily manipulated via boosting. In general there are no useful metrics in this game. Maybe kills total, to see how big a nerd someone is, if they have thousands of kills over the course of a week and a bit, since the last wipe.
Necandi Brasil Conspiratus Immortalis 245	Posted - 2013.01.19 22:38:00 - [23] - Quote Even thought I pay more atention to my KDR, I think WP is way more important...
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 165	Posted - 2013.01.19 22:53:00 - [24] - Quote KDR has little meaning. WP shows experience, which in itself is useful. I'd prefer the stats to be measured by minutes in match if anything - that's a decent indicator of efficiency and "being where you need to be".
G Sacred 2100142574 Rubber Chicken Bombers 73	Posted - 2013.01.20 00:37:00 - [25] - Quote Wow I'm surprised at the response I've gotten. I need to have my friend read this.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2013.01.20 01:36:00 - [26] - Quote As long as my KDR is positive, War Points and ISK are all that matter.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 92	Posted - 2013.01.20 02:41:00 - [27] - Quote what they need to do is introduce something i like to call a "meta score" basically it gives you a dividend out of a 100, and based off how well you do in each of the games major stats (K/D WP/D W/L) you rank between 1 and 100. If someone has a meta score of 100, then that means there an all around god at the game. The standard that the "meta score" would be using would have to be set by CCP at some number, but in my opinion if someone has a 3 to 1 KD, 200 to 1 WP/D, and a 2 to 1 W/L then they should have a reasonably high meta score, if not a 100. Of course those stats are up to debate but its whatever. Also, in case you guys didn't know this idea is a complete knock off of the system they have in place in Battlefield bad company 2. In addition to this system they could even add an option where it devides into 3 smaller meta scores that show specifically how good someone is out a 100 in each specific stat. IE: someone might have a 5.0 K/D giving them a 100 in that, but they also might only have 100 WP/D and a 1.0 W/L thus giving them the respective meta scores of 100, 50, and 50 (based off my standard) which would therefore give them a total meta score of around 67 - 70
Jay Sterling IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 13	Posted - 2013.02.01 10:08:00 - [28] - Quote K/D ratio because it reflects my personal skill vs other players - and it's more fun. WP seem to be more dependent on the team as a whole, and you can't necessarily chose your team. However, when DUST has a proper role in the Eve universe, WINNING will be more important - I expect that will be the difference between a big payout and nothing at all.
Returner Tekki ZionTCD Legacy Rising 24	Posted - 2013.02.01 10:24:00 - [29] - Quote G Sacred wrote: So whats more important to you? War Points or K/D Ratio? Winning is all I care about, if I only have 100WP and 5/5 K/D but we win then I'm happy.
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 74	Posted - 2013.02.01 10:33:00 - [30] - Quote If you have a really good K/D then your WP are going to by high anyway right? I mean It alot easyer to get 30 kills in 1 match then it is to get 30 hacks and since they both reward the same amount of WP it would seem both are equally viable to winning right? Personally I think It depends on what roll you are but WINNING should be the only concern



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