no

Sucks to be heavies but i smell a nerf so the 8 or 9 of you that are left get on the ban wagon and enjoy the ride.

viable

i wasnt talking about stats i dont care really, im talking about how he thinks. its on par with a random zion kid

nothing wrong with the way he thinks
ur own heavies have said heavy suits are meh ppl who specialize in these roles see the flaws better than most especially someone who plays both assault and heavy

heavies really arent all that tbqh

Actually, the base HMG deals 16 damage per shot, with the Proto HMG bumbing that up to 17.6.

Spot on about the RoF though.

The big problem is that HMGs have terrible deviation and damage drop off at range. They basically turn into shotguns unless you're able to keep it trained long enough for the anti-recoil to kick in, but even then you can't normally engage at proper efficiency.

i never said heavies are good, they are EASY. TOO EASY in fact and if you think otherwise you suck at fps. they mostlikely will get nefed cause of that

What got nerfed clown you butt hurt because a heavy is on the top of the leader boards?
i think so

A little like tanks if you've got some ISK?

The movement of an armor tank can be compared to a crippled turtle.

bad tank=**** while bad heavy=meat shield that hits back. if you think tanks are easy try using armor tanks, they are harder than shield tanks IMO

Clearly you haven't watched Zitro's armor tank....



I hate tank play, I've tried to enjoy it but I just don't. I prefer flying dropships over everything, but they suck face, and you STILL don't get any SP for flying them. So, I went heavy, in anticipation of players like you focusing on things like tanks.

Good call

What is that? A scout buff in the distance?

When I can run around with an HMG on my assault suit then the heavy's will be balanced.

Actually, the base HMG deals 16 damage per shot, with the Proto HMG bumbing that up to 17.6.

Spot on about the RoF though.

The big problem is that HMGs have terrible deviation and damage drop off at range. They basically turn into shotguns unless you're able to keep it trained long enough for the anti-recoil to kick in, but even then you can't normally engage at proper efficiency.

Not quite sure I believe you here because heavies are always attacking me back with the hog when I am a range with an at and hey do more DMV faster than I can with my supposed better range. In fact I they sometimes engage me when it's out of my ads effective range.

Did a test today with some corp mates in the back of the base just to see how HMG's vary from AR's. The results are both surprising and somewhat disturbing.

A basic HMG has a max range of 63 meters with level 1 heavy sharpshooter
An assaul HMG has a max range of 85 meters with level 1 heavy sharpshooter
A basic AR has a max range of 88 meters with level 1 light sharpshooter

In case you are wondering how I got the range I was shooting at, you can get these stats by checking the information that pops up at the center bottom of your screen when you aim your crosshair at people (including teammates.)

So, basically, a assault HMG has the same range as an AR. 3 meters difference. This is insanely imbalanced. An HMG is supposed to be great at close range, fair at mid range, useless at long range. But with this kind of range, it's just as deadly at mid range as it is at close range, and more deadly than an AR at any range that both weapons can reach due to the 2000 RPM that the HMG puts out. Anyone within 50 meters of an HMG , or 75 meters of an assault HMG can get mowed down by it just as easily as if they were point blank.

But you may say "but the HMG is far less accurate than the AR! It's bullet spread more than makes up for this!" Not true. The most accurate AR in the marketplace, the Allotek Burst AR, has an accuracy rating of 59.0. All HMG's except for the burst variants have an accuracy rating of 61.5, which makes them MORE ACCURATE THAN AN ASSAULT RIFLE. Yes, for about a quarter of a second, while the HMG is spinning up, the HMG spreads quite wildly. But after about a second of constant firing it has become more accurate than any assault rifle you can buy. And if you are using the assault variant, you can virtually reach just as far as any AR with the same skill level in sharpshooter (as I said, the AR is 3 meters further).

So, in summary, the HMG has virtually the same range as the AR, fires off 1250 more RPM, and has a greater accuracy rating than the top AR's on the market. This is too much for a weapon with such high damage output.

So now, let's hear the heavies start trying to convince me that the HMG isn't imbalanced. I welcome any legitimate responses.

What's the rof and damage of the standard AR?

*facepalm*

No no no...

What is with all this Heavies are OP talk? They are big targets and not impossible to take down. Yes they can win in a 1 vs 1 fight more often than not, but that is your fault then for being alone.

Sure it is intimidating to hear that HMG spin up near you, but it should be. It is a large guy in a Heavy Drop suit for crying out loud. His suit costs more than yours and should do more damage and soak up more damage. There is nothing wrong with this.

They move slowly and this itself is a good balance point. Heaves are an easy target when they try to run around too much. They pretty much have to stay in one location to stay alive.

Everyone just needs to quit whining and learn that each suit has its own strengths and weaknesses. Even Heavies have weaknesses, and they alone can not win a match.

There is always something in DUST that will be more powerful than any one suit type, and that is a group of players each using their particular suits advantages to their best.

I initially doubted this post but perhaps based on player accounts im starting to think it has merit

Are you talking about this?
I doubt they would bend heavies over any more than they have already, a nerf is the last thing the heavy dropsuit needs and I hope CCP sees that.

AR ROF 768 DMG 31

HMG ROF 2000 DMG 16

HMG firs 2.5 rounds for every ar round.......or approx 40 DMG in the same timeframe of a single ar shot.

I've been playing this game longer than most people, and probably have more knowledge when it comes to combat in this game than most people. The fact that the heavy suit can basically use every weapon in the game is a bit ridiculous. The fact that the HMG has the same effective range as an AR is ridiculous. The fact that a kid can head glitch in a heavy suit and a laser rifle is a bit ridiculous.

Heavy suits can easily turn the tide of any match especially with the Domination/Conquest (skirmish) all you have to do is camp on 2 points with heavy suits. Good luck trying to beat a group of heavy's camped on the OBJ's, or at your Clone reserve.

the counter are grenades against heavys on objectives. Cause they are too slow to evade them. Theres a reason why we have 2 sec fuse timers on grenades and damn slow heavys. Its the #1 thing that heavys are getting killed by and they hate them with a passion.

I've been playing this game longer than most people, and probably have more knowledge when it comes to combat in this game than most people. The fact that the heavy suit can basically use every weapon in the game is a bit ridiculous. The fact that the HMG has the same effective range as an AR is ridiculous. The fact that a kid can head glitch in a heavy suit and a laser rifle is a bit ridiculous.

Heavy suits can easily turn the tide of any match especially with the Domination/Conquest (skirmish) all you have to do is camp on 2 points with heavy suits. Good luck trying to beat a group of heavy's camped on the OBJ's, or at your Clone reserve.

*facepalm*

a loathing passion.