DUST Search - Radar is so unbelievably screwed up...

DJINN leukoplast wrote:

Kamiya Musume wrote:

DJINN leukoplast wrote:

DJINN Marauder wrote:

Shooting yes. I don't believe throwing grenades or hacking should make you show up on the radar though.

Hacking is disputed... by throwing nades? Nope, a player needs to be revealed to the ENTIRE other team if they throw a nade or shoot. All part of the risk of revealing yourself by interacting with the enemy via lethal force.

This is FPS gameplay 101, no excuses for it not being implemented.

yes, yes.
Because *you know everything*

stop forcing your opinions on everyone, because that is all they are; OPINIONS.

Yup, which explains every other online developer who didn't listen to me and failed miserably. Take a look at Starhawk, all of them (forum morons included) were against me like you all are... heh, take a look at that games sales ... LOL. SH has been out for almost a year now and it's sales are beyond pathetic, no doubt Lightbox is being shutdown after that failure... Lol

All because they didn't listen to a player like myself who actually knows how online games are supposed to work.

Joke about my opinions, but truth is just an opinion to an idiot... but that doesn't make it less of a fact.

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DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2013.01.17 09:42:00 - [1] - Quote If ANYBODY shoots/throws/hacks ANYTHING, they should be visible on the radar for ALL players for a certain period of time. Snipers, close range AR players, grenade throwers, whatever... Yet this is not the case. Somehow a player can lob bullets at me in close range without showing up on the radar. May I ask... WHY?!?!?!?!? CCP, you excel so much at failing core gameplay of a FPS game. Get this shyte right already. If some douche lobs bullets at me, then automatically they need to be revealed on the radar TO EVERYBODY regardless of what crap they are using on their suit or how far away they are. This games garbage radar system will be its undoing... I can deal with the ****** squad radar Intel only, but at least show the players on the other team who fire at me on my radar. Either way, any player who shoots, hacks or does anything significant needs to be revealed on the radar for every player in that match. I don't give a what crap they have on their suits, this is basic FPS 101 gameplay. I fully expect myself to be 100% revealed whenever I throw a grenade or fire a shot, and that is HOW IT SHOULD BE.**
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2013.01.17 09:46:00 - [2] - Quote why? I don't mind the way it is, with how easy it is to be revealed by any random guy's line of sight its hard enough to be stealthy as it is.
Noraa Anderson Nox Aeterna Security 184	Posted - 2013.01.17 09:48:00 - [3] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: why? He got shotted by a stealth specced.
DJINN Marauder Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 254	Posted - 2013.01.17 09:49:00 - [4] - Quote Shooting yes. I don't believe throwing grenades or hacking should make you show up on the radar though.
crazy space 2100046106 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2013.01.17 09:49:00 - [5] - Quote Well yes the sound should give them away. Even if for sniper it's just a quick blip. Would give a reason to fit the radar extender if shooting gave you away on the map. Plus it could open the doors for silence weapons. Using a knife would be more effective as more pings would be on the map, making your weapon fair that you can sneak up on him without showing up on the map. Maybe different weapons are louder for a forge gun leaves a long mark on the minimap. Also some kind of tagging weapon please.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2013.01.17 10:16:00 - [6] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: If ANYBODY shoots/throws/hacks ANYTHING, they should be visible on the radar for ALL players for a certain period of time. Snipers, close range AR players, grenade throwers, whatever... Yet this is not the case. Somehow a player can lob bullets at me in close range without showing up on the radar. May I ask... WHY?!?!?!?!? CCP, you excel so much at failing core gameplay of a FPS game. Get this shyte right already. If some douche lobs bullets at me, then automatically they need to be revealed on the radar TO EVERYBODY regardless of what crap they are using on their suit or how far away they are. This games garbage radar system will be its undoing... I can deal with the ****** squad radar Intel only, but at least show the players on the other team who fire at me on my radar. Either way, any player who shoots, hacks or does anything significant needs to be revealed on the radar for every player in that match. I don't give a what crap they have on their suits, this is basic FPS 101 gameplay. I fully expect myself to be 100% revealed whenever I throw a grenade or fire a shot, and that is HOW IT SHOULD BE.** YOU= whine,whine,whine,whine. YOU whined about heavys, you whined about HMG, you whined about PISTOLS!!???? and now you whine about minimaps?? With all due respect but shut up!!!
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2013.01.17 10:26:00 - [7] - Quote Wanna see more on the map? Upgrade your precision scanning. Where theres a will, theres a way. Try and work things out on your own rather running here and crying about it.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2013.01.17 10:37:00 - [8] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: Wanna see more on the map? Upgrade your precision scanning. Where theres a will, theres a way. Try and work things out on your own rather running here and crying about it. Agreed and +1
Hunter Junko WARRIORS 1NC 45	Posted - 2013.01.17 10:40:00 - [9] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=51652&find=unread created a thread in the suggestion thread about this, might help, might not, your choice. Safe Hunting
Kamiya Musume Suffer Inc. 63	Posted - 2013.01.17 10:59:00 - [10] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: If ANYBODY shoots/throws/hacks ANYTHING, they should be visible on the radar for ALL players for a certain period of time. Snipers, close range AR players, grenade throwers, whatever... Yet this is not the case. Somehow a player can lob bullets at me in close range without showing up on the radar. May I ask... WHY?!?!?!?!? CCP, you excel so much at failing core gameplay of a FPS game. Get this shyte right already. If some douche lobs bullets at me, then automatically they need to be revealed on the radar TO EVERYBODY regardless of what crap they are using on their suit or how far away they are. This games garbage radar system will be its undoing... I can deal with the ****** squad radar Intel only, but at least show the players on the other team who fire at me on my radar. Either way, any player who shoots, hacks or does anything significant needs to be revealed on the radar for every player in that match. I don't give a what crap they have on their suits, this is basic FPS 101 gameplay. I fully expect myself to be 100% revealed whenever I throw a grenade or fire a shot, and that is HOW IT SHOULD BE.** get over it. you do not know "how it should be".

Umbat Boki Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2013.01.17 11:02:00 - [11] - Quote There is scanning and signature mechanics to decide if player should appear on a radar.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2013.01.17 11:06:00 - [12] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: why? I don't mind the way it is, with how easy it is to be revealed by any random guy's line of sight its hard enough to be stealthy as it is. Random guys of sight??? You mean ONE player on *your* -- SQUAD???? That is all that matters currently, a player on your squad, other than that a player is invisible no matter what they do. Plus depending on what they have equipped on their suit, you, and every other person you play with, will never see them regardless if they shoot at you or otherwise.
Takahiro Kashuken Intara Direct Action Caldari State 102	Posted - 2013.01.17 11:07:00 - [13] - Quote Id would rarther have the radar show buildings and roads and installations instead of this circle and occasional red dot it just feels a bit lazy Make it a skill or whatever i would love a more detailed radar
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion 155	Posted - 2013.01.17 11:07:00 - [14] - Quote I thought the scanner was limited deliberately so everyone can't see everyone so then there was a reason to actually talk to your team members over the integrated voice communication system.
Yay Adski Imperfects Negative-Feedback 133	Posted - 2013.01.17 11:09:00 - [15] - Quote We need ghost up in this *****
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2013.01.17 11:11:00 - [16] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Shooting yes. I don't believe throwing grenades or hacking should make you show up on the radar though. Hacking is disputed... by throwing nades? Nope, a player needs to be revealed to the ENTIRE other team if they throw a nade or shoot. All part of the risk of revealing yourself by interacting with the enemy via lethal force. This is FPS gameplay 101, no excuses for it not being implemented.
Kamiya Musume Suffer Inc. 63	Posted - 2013.01.17 11:16:00 - [17] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Shooting yes. I don't believe throwing grenades or hacking should make you show up on the radar though. Hacking is disputed... by throwing nades? Nope, a player needs to be revealed to the ENTIRE other team if they throw a nade or shoot. All part of the risk of revealing yourself by interacting with the enemy via lethal force. This is FPS gameplay 101, no excuses for it not being implemented. yes, yes. Because you know everything stop forcing your opinions on everyone, because that is all they are; OPINIONS.
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2013.01.17 11:17:00 - [18] - Quote When people shoot at me, they appear on my radar. I run a heavy suit and I see scout guys running up behind on my mini map when they get to close. Not sure what game your playing.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2013.01.17 11:20:00 - [19] - Quote Guinevere Bravo wrote: Wanna see more on the map? Upgrade your precision scanning. Where theres a will, theres a way. Try and work things out on your own rather running here and crying about it. Only noobs defend crap FPS core gameplay in Dust. Take your lips off of CCP's ring-doughnut and focus on making this a better game, please...
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2013.01.17 11:33:00 - [20] - Quote Kamiya Musume wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Shooting yes. I don't believe throwing grenades or hacking should make you show up on the radar though. Hacking is disputed... by throwing nades? Nope, a player needs to be revealed to the ENTIRE other team if they throw a nade or shoot. All part of the risk of revealing yourself by interacting with the enemy via lethal force. This is FPS gameplay 101, no excuses for it not being implemented. yes, yes. Because you know everything stop forcing your opinions on everyone, because that is all they are; OPINIONS. Yup, which explains every other online developer who didn't listen to me and failed miserably. Take a look at Starhawk, all of them (forum morons included) were against me like you all are... heh, take a look at that games sales ... LOL. SH has been out for almost a year now and it's sales are beyond pathetic, no doubt Lightbox is being shutdown after that failure... All because they didn't listen to a player like myself who actually knows how online games are supposed to work. Joke about my opinions, but truth is just an opinion to an idiot... but that doesn't make it less of a fact.

Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 172	Posted - 2013.01.17 11:36:00 - [21] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Yup, which explains every other online developer who didn't listen to me and failed miserably. You're so important.
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 338	Posted - 2013.01.17 12:26:00 - [22] - Quote Because the big red letters saying enemy is hacking the cru all the points that start to blink while being hacked is not enough??? Dude everything just asked for is allready in game. Stop the qq and admit maybe u dieing was your own dam fault
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 186	Posted - 2013.01.17 12:33:00 - [23] - Quote Sony's lack of marketing for new IP is what hurt Starhawks sales, which is other wise a brilliant and fun multiplayer game. It's still receiving updates and is about the only other shooter I play these days.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 183	Posted - 2013.01.17 12:35:00 - [24] - Quote Yep. Radar is important. I'm not completely sure on the math of how radar works, but I know the scan profile of a scout is smaller than an assault, logi, or heavy's precision are initially. This means, that unless the suit is right beside you or you are looking at them, you wont see them on the map. Also the scan distance of a scout is 25m while others are 15m. This means that if they are not in your direct field of vision then you can bet they use that 10+ meters to find the best way to shoot you. You can however talk to your friends who may not be immediately nearby and have them lookout for you. If they do see a red visually that wouldn't normally show up for you, then it will appear on the map. Additionally you could run with a sensor boosted scout which would help with detection. Also knowing what blues are looking like they are doing on the minimap is important. Blueberries that are facing the same direction and strafing are shooting most likely. Paying attention to the direction people are going is key as well. This lets you know if they see you or not, as it is possible for someone to show up on your map but them not see you.
polarzus ZionTCD Legacy Rising 19	Posted - 2013.01.17 12:38:00 - [25] - Quote http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu9fjbAc991r5gpzmo1_500.gif There are so many different games in the world because there isn't only ONE right way...
Kamiya Musume Suffer Inc. 63	Posted - 2013.01.17 12:58:00 - [26] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Kamiya Musume wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Shooting yes. I don't believe throwing grenades or hacking should make you show up on the radar though. Hacking is disputed... by throwing nades? Nope, a player needs to be revealed to the ENTIRE other team if they throw a nade or shoot. All part of the risk of revealing yourself by interacting with the enemy via lethal force. This is FPS gameplay 101, no excuses for it not being implemented. yes, yes. Because you know everything stop forcing your opinions on everyone, because that is all they are; OPINIONS. Yup, which explains every other online developer who didn't listen to me and failed miserably. Take a look at Starhawk, all of them (forum morons included) were against me like you all are... heh, take a look at that games sales ... LOL. SH has been out for almost a year now and it's sales are beyond pathetic, no doubt Lightbox is being shutdown after that failure... All because they didn't listen to a player like myself who actually knows how online games are supposed to work. Joke about my opinions, but truth is just an opinion to an idiot... but that doesn't make it less of a fact. what? who are you? where did you find your "Truth"? can you prove it? did you breastfeed until you were 11 or something, because you have an overinflated sense of self worth. Are you a game developer? How much experience do you have in the software engineering industry? why can't I find you at the top of every leaderboard for every game if you are so knowledgeable and skilled? is your "Truth" like the Pope's "truth"? cos that stuff is lies y'know. TL:DR? Go Away. The world revolves around the sun, not you!
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 208	Posted - 2013.01.17 13:15:00 - [27] - Quote OP forgot to put a TL,DR ... I'll add it for him ... Stealth is OP ... whine, grumble, QQ.
Firestorm Zulu Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2013.01.17 13:29:00 - [28] - Quote FPS 101: any person shooting should be revealed on minimap, unless they are using a silencer.
Noraa Anderson Nox Aeterna Security 184	Posted - 2013.01.17 13:32:00 - [29] - Quote Firestorm Zulu wrote: FPS 101: any person shooting should be revealed on minimap, unless they are using a silencer. I don't disagree with this fundamental but I don't think it should cover Grenade throwing or Hacking.
Sergeant Wiznowski Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 38	Posted - 2013.01.17 14:03:00 - [30] - Quote Audiospotting and 3D spotting is just bad in any FPS. You should be able to locate enemy based on shot sound direction not wallhacks. IMO Dust radar is ok, LAV and HAVs should show more but that's all.



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