Pretty much title, remove the majority of the starter fits including the free LAV except the Frontline starter fit.

Reasons for the majority of starter suits:
They're simply not needed, we have a sniper fit which allows new players to just sit on the red line and camp without wasting a single bit of ISK/Aur or SP to actually use them. I've sniped a few times and honestly see no reason to go waste cash on anything when I have this available. You then have the free Swarms and Forge Guns yet I see no free tanks or dropships? AV Players say that they're not strong enough to be useful so I'm pretty sure they'd support my arguement, right?

Reason for the LAV:

The vehicle is ridiculous, I can run around and go 20+/0 because I was just running people over. I can use it for free to haul my heavy around and jump out with no issue as I gun people down. Removing this gives a reason not to have free AV but also provides Dropship Pilots/LAV Drivers with a transport use and lowers the possibility of you get ran over by newbs.

Since LAVs are 1-hit-kills when they run over infantry, there needs to be some sort of balancing. LAVs should take some damage when they run over infantry. Not a lot; running over infantry should still remain a viable tactic, but LAVs should take enough to keep people from running over 5 players with the same LAV. I think the damage done to the LAV should be based on the mass of the dropsuit, so that hitting scouts do the least damage to the LAV and hitting heavies do the most damage to the LAV.
I also think it should be possible for a heavy to survive an LAV hit with a sliver health left considering that heavies are very well armored, and they are largely designed to handle vehicles.

If you are reading and you're one of those people who is all about "realism", consider that your car can get damaged if you hit a deer. Consider that people hit by cars can survive. Same can apply to scifi armored cars and scifi armored people.

There needs to be at least 1 free vehicle for transportation purposes.

because we all know that new players don't want starter fits relevant to their chosen class role. We also know they like to have to pay 80-90% of their ISK to replace their starter fits instead of grinding for skillbooks and better gear.

Starter LAV needs to be removed. No, you absolutely do not need any free vehicles in this game. If you want to get somewhere, run. If you want to get somewhere fast, that you gotta pay for, if not then hitch a ride on a friendly vehicle. Free LAVs offer a stupid, ****** way for people to get kills, and they trivialize dropships as transportation vehicles even more than they are currently. This isn't to say that LAV ramming is fine if LAVs cost money -- and the above suggestion of making them take a bit of damage while still instantly killing all non-heavies is an essentially useless fix -- but the idea that you are entitled to be able to cruise around for free is silly.

As for starter fits, the starter sniper fit is ridiculous because snipers are ridiculous. It's not a problem of cost, it's a problem with these weapons being immensely powerful. Even if they removed starter snipers, you get essentially the same mileage out of all-militia gear and a sniper rifle, as careful snipers will die few if any times in a match. At that point, whether your sniper fitting is free or cost 7k is basically unimportant.

I could live without the free starter kits

But would the BPO also go for milita things? also what would cost ISK? or would it be everything that is milita costs some ISK?

CCP please keep the starter fits how else is a free to play game going to Work.If new players run out of money and haven't learned to make a load out yet?Remember no UVT for new players 7000 Aur.They will have even less comuncation with the player base.

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I think people need to see the kinds of options that are available and what fits can look like.

I don't see how removing them fixes any problems other than some people dislike snipers. Removing them would actually encourage more people to STAY snipers if all they get is the Arbiter fit.

So all starter fits go

You still have BPOs and the like except you have to go to the marketplace and buy them then go to fitting

So really you want new players to figure it out for themselves?

Pretty much title, remove the majority of the starter fits including the free LAV except the Frontline starter fit.

Reasons for the majority of starter suits:
They're simply not needed, we have a sniper fit which allows new players to just sit on the red line and camp without wasting a single bit of ISK/Aur or SP to actually use them. I've sniped a few times and honestly see no reason to go waste cash on anything when I have this available. You then have the free Swarms and Forge Guns yet I see no free tanks or dropships? AV Players say that they're not strong enough to be useful so I'm pretty sure they'd support my arguement, right?

Reason for the LAV:

The vehicle is ridiculous, I can run around and go 20+/0 because I was just running people over. I can use it for free to haul my heavy around and jump out with no issue as I gun people down. Removing this gives a reason not to have free AV but also provides Dropship Pilots/LAV Drivers with a transport use and lowers the possibility of you get ran over by newbs.

+1 to Murder/Heavy taxis they are getting old. F@T @ss heavys should have to sp into LAV. (im saying this and my secondary is a heavy) even though its easy killing hoping out of a LAV.

+1 to sniper starter kit's there are way to many snipers in this game already. CCP need to make player cap at 32 X 32 soon because one quarter of the mercs already are snipers in a game and if it was 32X32 us guys on the ground.... were the metal meets the meat will have some help for once.

My suggestion would be to remove the turret from the free LAV as well as the default modules. This would make the free version just a weak transport vehicle. Making the LAV take damage upon hitting infantry will also make them less powerful.

I see where this comes from... its the EVE online mindset where "only paid players should get better stuff".
Everyone sniping isnt because there are loadouts. Theyll still do that if you remove it.
Its a low risk commitment where you rarely die to hmg or ar spraying maniacs who seems to lock onto ya like aimbots.

The starter lav is useless as a actual vehicle. Imagine ps3 users driving them on gamepads. Theyll be crashing into walls and such because the thing is driving on ice.

"Work your way up to have fun" is not how it works. Its not eve online.