I could live without the free starter kits

But would the BPO also go for milita things? also what would cost ISK? or would it be everything that is milita costs some ISK?

CCP please keep the starter fits how else is a free to play game going to Work.If new players run out of money and haven't learned to make a load out yet?Remember no UVT for new players 7000 Aur.They will have even less comuncation with the player base.

So all starter fits go

You still have BPOs and the like except you have to go to the marketplace and buy them then go to fitting

So really you want new players to figure it out for themselves?

I see where this comes from... its the EVE online mindset where "only paid players should get better stuff".
Everyone sniping isnt because there are loadouts. Theyll still do that if you remove it.
Its a low risk commitment where you rarely die to hmg or ar spraying maniacs who seems to lock onto ya like aimbots.

The starter lav is useless as a actual vehicle. Imagine ps3 users driving them on gamepads. Theyll be crashing into walls and such because the thing is driving on ice.

"Work your way up to have fun" is not how it works. Its not eve online.

Get over 1000 war points just blowing up LAV spam. FTFY...

I completely disagree with your post. Having more options is good. GIving players something of an introduction to the idea of countering a specific vehicle (LAV) with a specific weapon (Swarm Launcher) is good.

Why in the hell do you want to take away my fun? WHy do you want to make the game only about Assault rifles? THe whole point of Dust is that there is the rock, paper, scissors type of thing in the game and a lot of different choices for tactics and ways to attack other players and ways to defend against those attacks.

Why do so many people that post in these forums want to turn this game into the most boring, generic, insipid and dull shooter imaginable?

they think that because.. without thsoe starter fits, we never get to see what else is out there, you need to understand if we are never exposed, we never see untill its shooting us in the face... chases away people then

Ummm, that was kind of a joke. About having nothing to shoot at if they take away free starter LAVs.

But here is the thing. You are talking about changing a part of the game that you have already grown out of so that it meets your needs as a more experienced player.

There are already enough barriers to entry in this game and taking away the free starter gear just presents another barrier to a new player. GIving players a few free things to mess around with doesn't harm this game in any way shape or form. It does allow players to try out more than just an assault rifle with no perceived risk.

Making fittings and buying items from the market is something a lot of players may not want to be bothered with in the first week of playing Dust.

At least one very small part of this game must cater to the broadest possible spectrum of players.

Personally I can't wait for more game options so I can just stop playing Instant battles completely. I want to move on to bigger and better things. I don't feel like I need to dictate how new players should go about their games so instant battle plays out the way I think it should.

Edit* Then again, how in the heck are you getting run over by noobs in an LAV all the time? Unless you are just running around in the open in a heavy suit... which is not a good idea in general.

Already now, this game is very rough to new players. More tutorials etc will solve some of, but stil...

I started the game 0-28, not because i lost 28 straight gun fights, nope, i prolly just lost 4 or 5. The rest of my lost clones came to getting booted from the spawn screen. So i'm not saying starter fits should stay to band aid the glitches of this game, but it should illustrate how you can get broke in this game. I did not make 1 single ISK in the first 1-2h, still i lost clones. Passivly i can only make SP not ISK, without being able to afford 1 single clone i can not even camp the MCC to make some ISK.

With my first spawn i selected my shotgun loadout as the tutorial suggested, encountered an enemy, shot him once, totally scared of the sound it makes, saw him not being dead, despite just being a few feet away from me, which in other shooter normally is a kill, shot a second time, still not dead, but now i am ... of his 3rd tier AR.

My shotgun was gone, i could not use this dropsuit a 2nd time, but got booted at spawn screen anyway.
It took me a while just to figure out that i can buy militia weapons and drop suits for almost nothing, since they do not show up at the regular dropsuit or weapon category on the market place.
Since PSN friends are not DUST friends, i did not even have one single guy to ask for advice, they weren't on anyway at moment, but still...
I thought sooner or later i would run into a few guys i played with on MAG, but for the first two day i did not hear one single guy talk on the mic, and even if i changed to team channel, they could not hear me, in case i encoutered a guy i though i knew from other games.

At first all those different skills and items are totally confusing, makign you waste your starting SP and ISK on things you can not use anyway, or lets say not use effectly.

Now i'm a more experienced player and do not need those free dropsuits anymore. Still i pick the free front line fit, getting a a free militia AR, rather than the standard AR, despite it just costs 4'400 ISK.

And thats why i think the starter fit should go, but not for the new guys. Experienced players should not be able to play with totally free dropsuits, while still getting the skill boni like less recoil, more damage, more ammo etc.

So i think new players should get a rookie status for a while , being able to use those free suits. Once they have spent enough time on this game, having enough ISk, they should atleast be forced to spend a little bit, even if its just cheap militia items, maybe just keeping its role suit for free, if anything, to prevent players to go complety broke, unable to play.

Question is, when is a new player exerienced enough for
-7days after creation of char?
-20h into game?
-after 1'000'000 SP/ISK?
-after 100 deaths, to just give out 100 suits for beginners.

Just then i would support this idea, else it just another elitist pig request, like nerfing the Swarm , because it has AUTO AIM... and AUTO AIM is bad, it just helps the skillless, totally ignoring the purpose of.

"Oh no, I suck at the game let's take stuff out! I can't counter snipe people, or blow up one single LAV..."

-_- it amazes me how badly people cry about this kind of stuff. You guys see impenetrable walls, I see challenges. A little Marine Corps wisdom, adapt and overcome. Cry babies.