[FEEDBACK] Re-adjusting heavy dropsuits
Update: Balancing work on dropsuits are ongoing, and we will keep you posted with future updates on the results.

There's a lot of examples like this, this just happens to be the most recent:



We don't know what this means. What are the perceived imbalances that you are addressing? In what ways are you thinking about approaching this imbalance?

We have no clue what you think is wrong with anything, and we don't know what direction you're trying to move with anything until it blindsides us in a new build. Many of us feel so out of the loop with it all, and it's as if we are unable to provide any kind of guidance on anything because we're left in the dark all the time. We have no details on what you're thinking, we have no idea what direction you're trying to go with the game's mechanics, and balance seems useless to propose because everything is done behind the scenes and the only thing we're allowed to see is the final product with no explanation of why changes are made.

This is the perfect example of why many of us are unhappy with the amount and type of dev communication we receive. All we get are these rare occurrences and they tell us hardly anything, if not leaving us with even more questions. I know I'm not alone in wanting more details into why changes are being made, and in advance what changes you're considering, because a lot of it seems like all we can expect is dartboard methodology with these vague balance considerations.

CCP: Okay, so we're thinking of modifying X.

Peeps: What! You can't change X! It'll nerf item Y! We love Y! We depend on Y! Y is our reason for playing this game!

CCP: Uh, okay, so we decided X wasn't the issue, and we're going to do some work on Z instead.

Other Peeps: Oh look, CCP giving in to pressure from whiners. What a surprise. BTW, we love Z and will now throw a massive online fit because you want to change it.

CCP: ....

Or a corp as big as the Imperfects gets all their members to give input and sound like a lot of input. When in reality it is one corp expressing how they want to twist the game to their benefit.

The closer a corp is to an Eve corp the more likely there input will be destructive to Dust514. Yet, CCP does not seem to realize that. With what they put up with on a constant loop with Eve I have no idea why not?

There's a lot of examples like this, this just happens to be the most recent:
We don't know what this means. What are the perceived imbalances that you are addressing? In what ways are you thinking about approaching this imbalance?

I know exactly what this means.

You had better not be spending any SP on Heavy Skills. Because CCP is going to make you regret it.

The painfully dull method of accumulating SP means that finding out they are going to change something means you cannot spend it on any related items. It will not be worth it because you cannot afford to waste it. The effort to replace it is too slow.

Somebody has gotten the ear of a Dev, then posts about talking to a Dev, the next thing we get is this.

Agreed, but ...

Considering that there is a group of people with a vested interest in every last aspect of gameplay, can we really blame them for not calling Jita Riots Round 2 down on their own heads until any changes are finalized?



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Have you ever noticed how CCP spokespeople always seem to say, "We love our fans," through gritted teeth, a grimace, or both?

Or a corp as big as the Imperfects gets all their members to give input and sound like a lot of input. When in reality it is one corp expressing how they want to twist the game to their benefit.

The closer a corp is to an Eve corp the more likely there input will be destructive to Dust514. Yet, CCP does not seem to realize that. With what they put up with on a constant loop with Eve I have no idea why not?

maybe they don't have one themselves?

Have you ever noticed how CCP spokespeople always seem to say, "We love our fans," ...

Um what? This has nothing to do with us. This is all general comments regarding communication and the feedback loop. Please show me where its something different from out posts. contribute, troll, or gtfo

People like you that just see a corp tag next to a persons name are part of the problem. You can't be part of the discussion because your blinded by your love for the IMP ****. Also since a lot of people are sensative and try hard to make as many interweb friends as possbile the above paragraph is pure sarcasim and shouldn't be taken personally.

Check out Sleepy Zan and his recent postings. Specifically regarding his camping in MCC and getting to have a long talk with a Dev and things will be fixed. Insinuating it was because of his interaction with the Dev. Being interpreted by myself that Imperfects have a closer connection to the Devs than the rest of the Beta testers.

Which is horrible because Sleepy Zan is an admittedly gleeful griefer. He runs down Blue snipers for sport and cannot wait until friendly fire is active. Can Not Wait. Yes, your tag by his name on his postings colors my view of your Corp. Imperfects rant, grief and bad mouth everybody. It is a constant around these forums.

Also, I have no idea how big you are or are not. The wording was meant to be open ended because, if you were big that implied undue connection or if you were small it also implied the same. Probably trying to be too funny while being too late into my sleep cycle. Sorry.

My previous readings of Imperfects postings have lead me not to check on your Corp directly. The attitude presented by them is pretty consistent. Just my reaction. Not necessarily how the most of you actually are or what the Corp aspires to.

BTW, the "you're blinded by your love for the IMP ****" statement is confusing. If it doesn't mean Imperfects then I don't understand that statement at all. I have no love for Imperfects postings or the attitudes associated with them. If it doesn't mean Imperfects then I have no love for it either as I know not of which you speak, Ke-mo Sah-bee. Your sarcasm is lost on me.

I am part of the discussion because the Imperfects do not actually run the Forums nor, hopefully, Dust514. Much as they want to.

Yet here you are, derailing an entire thread because of them. Good job showing how much they don't matter.

Well there is a non disclosure agreement that everybody at ccp has signed. So I'm pretty sure they have to follow the rules and get ordered to say anything. Or they get fired. Simple as that.

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We are working on publishing more dev blogs that will give more insight to the vision of DUST and the features/game mechanics that have been and are going to be introduced, but it will take us time before we can reach the level of frequency and volume that EVE dev blogs have.

We understand the desire to have a two way communication between players and devs and when done correctly, it is a very powerful tool.
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we would like to ask that you give ideas that can improve it in the same level of detail that you have shown in pointing out what was broken with it in this thread.

I think many of you misunderstand the purporse of the weekly update posts. They are meant to keep the general forum populus informed (on a high level) on what the dev team has discussed regarding forum feedbak and comments by players. It is not meant to be, nor should it be a detailed essay of development work being done on DUST.

These weekly updates begain as a response to beta testers asking for a brief weekly update that will let them know that the dev team is looking at their comments and taking steps to address them and that's what the weekly updates have been doing.

We are working on publishing more dev blogs that will give more insight to the vision of DUST and the features/game mechanics that have been and are going to be introduced, but it will take us time before we can reach the level of frequency and volume that EVE dev blogs have.

We understand the desire to have a two way communication between players and devs and when done correctly, it is a very powerful tool. However, like some of you stated, what is communicated to us should represent the majority of the player base, and not the vocal minority. The CSM has proven to be very helpful in this regard and we are looking into how we can expand it to include DUST delegates as well in the future.

Lastly, we would like to thank all of you for giving us your feedback during the DUST beta period. To help us build better communication channels, we would like to ask that you give ideas that can improve it in the same level of detail that you have shown in pointing out what was broken with it in this thread.

We have CSM reps reaching out to us because you aren't listening to them either. I'm sorry, but you either completely missed the content in the first post or are purposely spinning it. We are complaining that you are posting nonsense on the feedback. I hope you recognize how ironic that you want us to just sit back and wait for all the dev blogs. How about all the blogs promised that were never delivered?

I am dead serious, shut down the servers if you aren't going to use our feedback to improve the game. DUST will become a laughing stock if you continue on the trend of the last 6 months, which has exponentially been getting worse. How can you represent yourself as CCP and ignore all the lessons of Incarna launch disaster? Treat us with some respect, most of us are not idiots, merely frustrated beyond logical arguments.

We have CSM reps reaching out to us because you aren't listening to them either. I'm sorry, but you either completely missed the content in the first post or are purposely spinning it. We are complaining that you are posting nonsense on the feedback. I hope you recognize how ironic that you want us to just sit back and wait for all the dev blogs. How about all the blogs promised that were never delivered?

I am dead serious, shut down the servers if you aren't going to use our feedback to improve the game. DUST will become a laughing stock if you continue on the trend of the last 6 months, which has exponentially been getting worse. How can you represent yourself as CCP and ignore all the lessons of Incarna launch disaster? Treat us with some respect, most of us are not idiots, merely frustrated beyond logical arguments.

You mad bro?

Noc what in the last 8 months of does Dust gives you any indication that CCP cares what we think? Lower your expectations man you play EvE you were here for incarna.

Once the bad press hits they will be shocked and blame it on listening to the community and kill all the forums but the bug reporting one.

Tell me is you heard this one before.

I remember the midnight matches with CCP during E3, and random GM's in game checking on our opinion. Did they get fired or something? My expectations are actually set by CCP themselves sadly.