I noticed this the second I booted up my game for the third time and literally had to create an account, switch the passive, then reboot in order to switch characters again and switch the passive back.

In that situation, you're actually getting your booster SP. What you're not getting is the base SP. Everyone should check their passive, not just people with the booster. If it's not ticking up at all, do the same to fix it.

Thanks.

How often should it tick with booster on and off?

[quote=Arramakaian Eka]Thanks.

How often should it tick with booster on and off?

Timed with a stop watch:

Natural booster for passive skilling: 3.6 sec/SP

Purchased booster for passive skilling (equipped to alt character): 7.1 sec/SP

My question is (and hopefully someone can answer):

Is there any benifit to equiping a purchased booster on top of a natural booster?

Then:

If not why?

And:

Why am I paying real money for a substandard product. Why is CCP forcing my alt to be sub par?[/quote

You get passive skilling free for one character. You can purchase a 50% booster for this.
It doesn't make muck sense to run the booster without the base passive turned on, though some might do that for an alt character if they have money to burn.

The issue at hand is that a bunch of us equipped the booster at the same time we enabled passive SP on our main characters and only received the 50% boost. We didn't notice the problem right away since the booster caused the SP ticker to increase.

The passive SP bug requires us to reassign passive SP to an alt and back o our main to get it to activate.

I think I agree with Higgs. I've never used booster before, but decided to try the Merc Pack this weekend to help. I applied the passive SP booster to my main and the tick SEEMS to be the same as it was without. Perhaps it's not a perceptive difference counting seconds in my head ;) If Higgs actually used a stopwatch to measure, then what is correct? Does passive boost natural SP gain?

To add, I applied a passive SP booster to an alt last night as well with no tick of SP. I assumed that the passive SP booster on an ALT would give that alt a slow passive trickle of SP over the 7-day booster life cycle. Is this a wrong assumption? If not, and I am correct in my assumption, then are passive SP booster working at all? My main with booster seems no different. My alt with booster is not gaining SP---or at least was not for the 20 minutes I checked, in addition to logging off and returning to game to see if it simply needed to ...whatever technical babble is applicable here! I will check again tonight to see if any passive SP has been added.

I'm totally fine if I have misunderstood the intent of the booster. I would simply like to know one way or the other.

- me.

you can only have passive sp active on one char at a time. if you apply the passive booster to a char without passive sp gain active it will do nothing and be wasted.

This is not true. As I have already demonstrated by posting the time figures for natural and purchased passive SP accrual (purchased booster was tested on alt character with no natural booster active).

Once again, the times are:

Main character:

Natural booster only: 3.6 sec/SP

Natural and purchased booster stacked: 3.6 sec/SP

Alt character:

Purchased booster only: 7.1 sec/SP

And again one more time. The question is:

Does the purchased passive booster alow for higher/more skill points gain when stacked with the natural booster.

Still haven't gotten an answer to this question?

~Higgs flagrantfool.

Please total the SP gained in one minute with and without the booster in place. The update cycle doesn't have to change to get the increased SP from the booster if every other cycle has double the SP gain.

Eg. If the passive SP gives one point per 3.5 seconds and the booster gives one point every seven seconds it would look like this:

1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2...

With passive only:

1, 1, 1, 1, 1 ...

And with booster only:

1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0 ...

It was repeatedly tested there is no cycle variation that I could tell. And at 50% the cycle would be very noticeable over short periods of time. (i.e. One extra point per every other second, two extra points per every four seconds etc.).

As I said, a cycle would be very noticeable over short periods of time (which was what I tested for - "minutes"). what was not tested for, and what I am not going to test for, is tens of minutes and hours, which is why I am aking the question, so that I can hopefully get an informed direct resolution.

Very simpe question: does the purchased passive booster stack with the natural booster? As of now I have seen no evidence that it does, and I am refuseing to purchas the item based on my experiences also I am recomending that others do the same.

It was meant to stack with passive SP gain. A booster augments the standard SP gain, either active or passive.

If it isn't, it isn't working.

If you get X SP in one minute with passive an no booster you should get X * 1.5 with the passive booster enabled.

I lost 6 days as well before I noticed - when we came back in after the wipe I noticed it didnt ask to "activate passive" but thought it was smart enough to know - doh, pays to pay attention. I wouldnt expect a reimbursement on this as it may be difficult or CCP to sift through the petitions on this as there may be many effected. Be vocal about it when on channels to make sure everyone knows to check - without it much of our "2 week advantage" from beta testing is lost.

Method:
Timed how long it took to gain 20 points of SP, one point at a time.
Divided the total time by 20 to arrive at the cycle time.

Passive with booster: 2.35 seconds

Passive moved to an alt with no booster: 3.59

2.35 * 1.5 = 3.53

Close enough to blame my reaction time for the 0.06 second difference.


Conclusion:

Works as intended.

However there is still a problem:

A 50% bonus to 3.6 should mean a reduction of 3.6 by half. 50% of 3.6 is 1.8, not 2.35 as you have stated. So there is still a bug.

did this last night you were right i wasnt getting ANY benefit from the booster i bought for a few days now. fixed now but hopin ccp gives us the booster back since i wasted like 4 days of it.

There's not.

Without the booster you're getting 24 000 points / 24 hours (one point every 3,6 seconds).
With the booster you're getting 36 000 points / 24 hours (one point every 2,4 seconds).

To get one point every 1,8 seconds you'd need a 100% booster ;).


EDIT: I'm getting the 2,4 second tick so the passive booster does work (though there may be some bugs, who knows :P)

all this is cool but when will we get the lost sp back? any one from ccp care to answer that lost 5 days

ccp should refund wtf : ( I'm down like 100,000 sp. Thats a lot!!

you can only have passive sp active on one char at a time. if you apply the passive booster to a char without passive sp gain active it will do nothing and be wasted.

I'm going to keep bumping this thread so more people are made aware of this serious issue. By seeing this thread at least I was able to get 1 of the 7 days of boosted training I had paid for

I think you're misunderstanding. =( Your purchased booster should have been working all along. It was the default passive SP gain that we all set to run on our main (without additionally AUR purchased boosters) that was not working correctly. For whatever reason, that general passive sp gain did not start up automatically after the wipe. Purchase boosters did. Part of the problem was that with AUR 7-day boosters, most people saw that their skills were passively gaining so most never bothered to question whether the default passive SP gain was counting along with it or not. We all just assumed it was, until recently.

The optional passive SP gain we can apply to ONE character failed to start on its own. Switching it to an alt, and then back again fixes that.

The PURCHASED 7-day booster worked normally.

Missed points are missed points, I know! I just want to make sure it's clear which is which.

All the best,

- me.

Ouch, I lost like 6 days...

Same here. I fixed mine last night.

Is there anything we can do about this?

I missed that thread as I do not have passive boosters and didn't cared ...

Checked last night and got the same bug as well. No passive skills for the last 7 days

So check your passive gains mercs if it's not ticking you need to switch passive gains to ALT.

It still doesn't work on my character I made an alt and tried it 3 times but it still doesn't work can you help me?

Hopefully everyone effected has noticed this issue by now.

i doubt ccp will do aurum refunds.

I will necro this thread in a week if anything different comes up.

I won't be buying any SP boosters until 1) They actually work, 2) there's no SP cap, and 3) there isn't another character wipe guaranteed.