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Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
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Posted - 2013.01.15 19:12:00 -
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Kanen Serran wrote:you can only have passive sp active on one char at a time. if you apply the passive booster to a char without passive sp gain active it will do nothing and be wasted.
This is not true. As I have already demonstrated by posting the time figures for natural and purchased passive SP accrual (purchased booster was tested on alt character with no natural booster active).
Once again, the times are:
Main character:
Natural booster only: 3.6 sec/SP
Natural and purchased booster stacked: 3.6 sec/SP
Alt character:
Purchased booster only: 7.1 sec/SP
And again one more time. The question is:
Does the purchased passive booster alow for higher/more skill points gain when stacked with the natural booster.
Still haven't gotten an answer to this question?
~Higgs flagrantfool. |
Ignoble Son
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SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.15 20:01:00 -
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Bump
Want an answer to this. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.15 21:03:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Kanen Serran wrote:you can only have passive sp active on one char at a time. if you apply the passive booster to a char without passive sp gain active it will do nothing and be wasted. This is not true. As I have already demonstrated by posting the time figures for natural and purchased passive SP accrual (purchased booster was tested on alt character with no natural booster active). Once again, the times are: Main character: Natural booster only: 3.6 sec/SP Natural and purchased booster stacked: 3.6 sec/SP Alt character: Purchased booster only: 7.1 sec/SP And again one more time. The question is: Does the purchased passive booster alow for higher/more skill points gain when stacked with the natural booster. Still haven't gotten an answer to this question? ~Higgs flagrantfool. Please total the SP gained in one minute with and without the booster in place. The update cycle doesn't have to change to get the increased SP from the booster if every other cycle has double the SP gain. Eg. If the passive SP gives one point per 3.5 seconds and the booster gives one point every seven seconds it would look like this: 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2... With passive only: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 ... And with booster only: 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0 ...
It was repeatedly tested there is no cycle variation that I could tell. And at 50% the cycle would be very noticeable over short periods of time. (i.e. One extra point per every other second, two extra points per every four seconds etc.).
As I said, a cycle would be very noticeable over short periods of time (which was what I tested for - "minutes"). what was not tested for, and what I am not going to test for, is tens of minutes and hours, which is why I am aking the question, so that I can hopefully get an informed direct resolution.
Very simpe question: does the purchased passive booster stack with the natural booster? As of now I have seen no evidence that it does, and I am refuseing to purchas the item based on my experiences also I am recomending that others do the same. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:14:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Skihids wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Kanen Serran wrote:you can only have passive sp active on one char at a time. if you apply the passive booster to a char without passive sp gain active it will do nothing and be wasted. This is not true. As I have already demonstrated by posting the time figures for natural and purchased passive SP accrual (purchased booster was tested on alt character with no natural booster active). Once again, the times are: Main character: Natural booster only: 3.6 sec/SP Natural and purchased booster stacked: 3.6 sec/SP Alt character: Purchased booster only: 7.1 sec/SP And again one more time. The question is: Does the purchased passive booster alow for higher/more skill points gain when stacked with the natural booster. Still haven't gotten an answer to this question? ~Higgs flagrantfool. Please total the SP gained in one minute with and without the booster in place. The update cycle doesn't have to change to get the increased SP from the booster if every other cycle has double the SP gain. Eg. If the passive SP gives one point per 3.5 seconds and the booster gives one point every seven seconds it would look like this: 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2... With passive only: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 ... And with booster only: 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0 ... It was repeatedly tested there is no cycle variation that I could tell. And at 50% the cycle would be very noticeable over short periods of time. (i.e. One extra point per every other second, two extra points per every four seconds etc.). As I said, a cycle would be very noticeable over short periods of time (which was what I tested for - "minutes"). what was not tested for, and what I am not going to test for, is tens of minutes and hours, which is why I am aking the question, so that I can hopefully get an informed direct resolution. Very simpe question: does the purchased passive booster stack with the natural booster? As of now I have seen no evidence that it does, and I am refuseing to purchas the item based on my experiences also I am recomending that others do the same. It was meant to stack with passive SP gain. A booster augments the standard SP gain, either active or passive. If it isn't, it isn't working. If you get X SP in one minute with passive an no booster you should get X * 1.5 with the passive booster enabled.
I would agree with that assessment. Can anyone confirm my findings? |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.16 04:06:00 -
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Duplicate message. Sorry. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.16 04:39:00 -
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There is still a bug so please read the whole post.
Khresq wrote:Method:
Timed how long it took to gain 20 points of SP, one point at a time.
Divided the total time by 20 to arrive at the cycle time.
Passive with booster: 2.35 seconds
Passive moved to an alt with no booster: 3.59
2.35 * 1.5 = 3.53
Close enough to blame my reaction time for the 0.06 second difference.
Conclusion:
Works as intended.
Thank you for the negative conformation.
So, then it seems that the OP was mistaken about the bug time in his original post.
The correct times sould be:
3.6 sec/SP without passive booster
2.3 sec/SP with passive booster
The testing I performed (referred to earlier) was done two and a half week ago and reported in the feedback/suggestion section of this forum. Link below:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=447063#post447063
But was never adressed by anyone.
So it seem that someone has finally picked up on this problem and resolved it.
I have just purchased another passive booster and retested the and confirmed the bug mentioned in the OP, however, as already stated the time (six seconds) mentioned in the OP, is incorrect.
When I first tested this bug (two weeks ago) I did in fact switch my natural booster from my main to an alt and back again as was mentioned to be the fix for this bug in the OP. but at the time this did not fix the problem. Regardless I am glad to see that this problem has been addressed.
However there is still a problem:
A 50% bonus to 3.6 should mean a reduction of 3.6 by half. 50% of 3.6 is 1.8, not 2.35 as you have stated. So there is still a bug. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.16 15:08:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:
However there is still a problem:
A 50% bonus to 3.6 should mean a reduction of 3.6 by half. 50% of 3.6 is 1.8, not 2.35 as you have stated. So there is still a bug.
There's not. Without the booster you're getting 24 000 points / 24 hours (one point every 3,6 seconds). With the booster you're getting 36 000 points / 24 hours (one point every 2,4 seconds). To get one point every 1,8 seconds you'd need a 100% booster ;). EDIT: I'm getting the 2,4 second tick so the passive booster does work (though there may be some bugs, who knows :P)
Ya I guess I could see that, but I like it better my way. :P |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.16 15:58:00 -
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vgy dfhgfg wrote:all this is cool but when will we get the lost sp back? any one from ccp care to answer that lost 5 days
That's a good question. Could you imagine if this had gone public before the last wipe (as I did confirm that this bug was active more than two weeks ago, which calls into question: has the passive booster ever functioned properly?. Imagine how many pissed off people there would have been then (I am imagining pitchforks and torches).
In my opinion, I think CCP should give us free stuff to make up for this snafu, but then I am kinda biased because I really just want free stuff all the time. *shruggs* Maybe we should get a concensus opinion on this?
Also, I would like a refund as well, for my lost SP. because I spotted this bugg over two weeks ago and have not been purchasing the passive booster because of it. At the very least I should be given the opportunity to purchase the missed weeks worth of SP. This, I think is a legitimate claim. |
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