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Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:14:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Skihids wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Kanen Serran wrote:you can only have passive sp active on one char at a time. if you apply the passive booster to a char without passive sp gain active it will do nothing and be wasted. This is not true. As I have already demonstrated by posting the time figures for natural and purchased passive SP accrual (purchased booster was tested on alt character with no natural booster active). Once again, the times are: Main character: Natural booster only: 3.6 sec/SP Natural and purchased booster stacked: 3.6 sec/SP Alt character: Purchased booster only: 7.1 sec/SP And again one more time. The question is: Does the purchased passive booster alow for higher/more skill points gain when stacked with the natural booster. Still haven't gotten an answer to this question? ~Higgs flagrantfool. Please total the SP gained in one minute with and without the booster in place. The update cycle doesn't have to change to get the increased SP from the booster if every other cycle has double the SP gain. Eg. If the passive SP gives one point per 3.5 seconds and the booster gives one point every seven seconds it would look like this: 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2... With passive only: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 ... And with booster only: 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0 ... It was repeatedly tested there is no cycle variation that I could tell. And at 50% the cycle would be very noticeable over short periods of time. (i.e. One extra point per every other second, two extra points per every four seconds etc.). As I said, a cycle would be very noticeable over short periods of time (which was what I tested for - "minutes"). what was not tested for, and what I am not going to test for, is tens of minutes and hours, which is why I am aking the question, so that I can hopefully get an informed direct resolution. Very simpe question: does the purchased passive booster stack with the natural booster? As of now I have seen no evidence that it does, and I am refuseing to purchas the item based on my experiences also I am recomending that others do the same. It was meant to stack with passive SP gain. A booster augments the standard SP gain, either active or passive. If it isn't, it isn't working. If you get X SP in one minute with passive an no booster you should get X * 1.5 with the passive booster enabled.
I would agree with that assessment. Can anyone confirm my findings? |
Khresq
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.01.16 02:58:00 -
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Method: Timed how long it took to gain 20 points of SP, one point at a time. Divided the total time by 20 to arrive at the cycle time.
Passive with booster: 2.35 seconds
Passive moved to an alt with no booster: 3.59
2.35 * 1.5 = 3.53
Close enough to blame my reaction time for the 0.06 second difference.
Conclusion:
Works as intended. |
nepher sesoch
DUST University Ivy League
9
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Posted - 2013.01.16 03:11:00 -
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I lost 6 days as well before I noticed - when we came back in after the wipe I noticed it didnt ask to "activate passive" but thought it was smart enough to know - doh, pays to pay attention. I wouldnt expect a reimbursement on this as it may be difficult or CCP to sift through the petitions on this as there may be many effected. Be vocal about it when on channels to make sure everyone knows to check - without it much of our "2 week advantage" from beta testing is lost. |
Khresq
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.01.16 03:21:00 -
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nepher sesoch wrote:I lost 6 days as well before I noticed - when we came back in after the wipe I noticed it didnt ask to "activate passive" but thought it was smart enough to know - doh, pays to pay attention. I wouldnt expect a reimbursement on this as it may be difficult or CCP to sift through the petitions on this as there may be many effected. Be vocal about it when on channels to make sure everyone knows to check - without it much of our "2 week advantage" from beta testing is lost.
I figured we won't get it back, but they advertised a bonus 100k SP for anyone who runs a match before the 22nd so that's like restitution. "It's a beta, blah, blah, blah..." |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
36
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Posted - 2013.01.16 04:06:00 -
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Duplicate message. Sorry. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
36
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Posted - 2013.01.16 04:39:00 -
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There is still a bug so please read the whole post.
Khresq wrote:Method: Timed how long it took to gain 20 points of SP, one point at a time. Divided the total time by 20 to arrive at the cycle time.
Passive with booster: 2.35 seconds
Passive moved to an alt with no booster: 3.59
2.35 * 1.5 = 3.53
Close enough to blame my reaction time for the 0.06 second difference.
Conclusion:
Works as intended.
Thank you for the negative conformation.
So, then it seems that the OP was mistaken about the bug time in his original post.
The correct times sould be:
3.6 sec/SP without passive booster
2.3 sec/SP with passive booster
The testing I performed (referred to earlier) was done two and a half week ago and reported in the feedback/suggestion section of this forum. Link below:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=447063#post447063
But was never adressed by anyone.
So it seem that someone has finally picked up on this problem and resolved it.
I have just purchased another passive booster and retested the and confirmed the bug mentioned in the OP, however, as already stated the time (six seconds) mentioned in the OP, is incorrect.
When I first tested this bug (two weeks ago) I did in fact switch my natural booster from my main to an alt and back again as was mentioned to be the fix for this bug in the OP. but at the time this did not fix the problem. Regardless I am glad to see that this problem has been addressed.
However there is still a problem:
A 50% bonus to 3.6 should mean a reduction of 3.6 by half. 50% of 3.6 is 1.8, not 2.35 as you have stated. So there is still a bug. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
284
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Posted - 2013.01.16 06:04:00 -
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Any time I have had any issue a email to support was always followed up with a reply, hopefully in this case i will get a reply regarding reimbursement for the failed (wasted) passive booster. |
Torr Wrath
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
58
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Posted - 2013.01.16 08:12:00 -
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Just to help consolidate more information.
This: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=50752&find=unread
is one of the posts (there are more) in the bug section detailing this.
As far as i know there has been no reply for a few days to petitions filed, so whether or not we are getting re-reimbursed is still a "maybe?" |
Marc Rime
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2013.01.16 09:53:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote: However there is still a problem:
A 50% bonus to 3.6 should mean a reduction of 3.6 by half. 50% of 3.6 is 1.8, not 2.35 as you have stated. So there is still a bug.
There's not.
Without the booster you're getting 24 000 points / 24 hours (one point every 3,6 seconds). With the booster you're getting 36 000 points / 24 hours (one point every 2,4 seconds).
To get one point every 1,8 seconds you'd need a 100% booster ;).
EDIT: I'm getting the 2,4 second tick so the passive booster does work (though there may be some bugs, who knows :P) |
charlesnette dalari
Creative Killers
159
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Posted - 2013.01.16 11:53:00 -
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did this last night you were right i wasnt getting ANY benefit from the booster i bought for a few days now. fixed now but hopin ccp gives us the booster back since i wasted like 4 days of it. |
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Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:05:00 -
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charlesnette dalari wrote:did this last night you were right i wasnt getting ANY benefit from the booster i bought for a few days now. fixed now but hopin ccp gives us the booster back since i wasted like 4 days of it.
Actually as Tiel Syysch pointed out in the second post in the thread, you were getting the boost SP but missing the normal passive SP. That had you at 1/3 the rate you should have been getting.
If you had not activated your booster right away you would have gotten nothing which would have been obvious. So technically there is nothing to refund for the booster, but we should get restitution of the lost passive SP.
(Btw, when you switch characters in game it flips your posting character. I had to find the forum swap button at the top right corner to get back after running the timing test as Khresq as it left me there.)
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Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
36
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Posted - 2013.01.16 15:08:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote:Ignoble Son wrote: However there is still a problem:
A 50% bonus to 3.6 should mean a reduction of 3.6 by half. 50% of 3.6 is 1.8, not 2.35 as you have stated. So there is still a bug.
There's not. Without the booster you're getting 24 000 points / 24 hours (one point every 3,6 seconds). With the booster you're getting 36 000 points / 24 hours (one point every 2,4 seconds). To get one point every 1,8 seconds you'd need a 100% booster ;). EDIT: I'm getting the 2,4 second tick so the passive booster does work (though there may be some bugs, who knows :P)
Ya I guess I could see that, but I like it better my way. :P |
vgy dfhgfg
Doomheim
0
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Posted - 2013.01.16 15:30:00 -
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all this is cool but when will we get the lost sp back? any one from ccp care to answer that lost 5 days
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Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
36
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Posted - 2013.01.16 15:58:00 -
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vgy dfhgfg wrote:all this is cool but when will we get the lost sp back? any one from ccp care to answer that lost 5 days
That's a good question. Could you imagine if this had gone public before the last wipe (as I did confirm that this bug was active more than two weeks ago, which calls into question: has the passive booster ever functioned properly?. Imagine how many pissed off people there would have been then (I am imagining pitchforks and torches).
In my opinion, I think CCP should give us free stuff to make up for this snafu, but then I am kinda biased because I really just want free stuff all the time. *shruggs* Maybe we should get a concensus opinion on this?
Also, I would like a refund as well, for my lost SP. because I spotted this bugg over two weeks ago and have not been purchasing the passive booster because of it. At the very least I should be given the opportunity to purchase the missed weeks worth of SP. This, I think is a legitimate claim. |
Superluminal Replicant
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:41:00 -
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crazy space 2100046106 wrote:ccp should refund wtf : ( I'm down like 100,000 sp. Thats a lot!!
me to mate, this sucks!! I had a feeling it was ticking really slow, but thought thats how it was supposed to be! god dammit ccp!
Well its a real money item and im not getting what I paid for so i expect to either be refunded Aurum or a free 7 day passive booster, or the SP its not been accumulating since I activated it.
This is the sort of **** thats going to cause another fracking wipe to happen. which i dont want personaly.
Yep im definatly getting the wrong passive sp, just tested.
I have no alts.
Activated my 7 day passive booster when the game came back up after the last wipe on thursday.
SP per minute = 8 X 60 minutes = 480 sp per hour X 24 hours = 11,520 passive sp per day - This is definatly WAY OFF as it should be 36,000 per day.
I tested this 5 times over 5 minutes and its about 8-9 sp per minute with passive booster activated.
11,520 X 7 days = 80,640 passive SP accumulated when it should have been 36,000 x 7 = 252,000
Lost a total of 171,360 sp because of this bug, thats a lot! Want aurum or SP refund!
Have been maxing out my active sp every day also and am on 850k sp total, some guy said he was on 1 million sp now! |
Proxsus
Conflagration Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 03:30:00 -
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Aww man, that explains why I couldn't understand how my friend had gotten so much more sp than me.
Did I really just waste 6 days of a 7 day booster? Man, beta testing can be rough. First I was disappointed about missing the test event to obtain the exile assault rifle (during which I was already playing dust) and now this.
If anyone from ccp is reading this I'm feeling pretty disapointed I wasted my money on a mostly ineffective item (one day of boosted training for the price of 7), but an exile assault rifle might ease the pain |
byte modal
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.01.17 03:41:00 -
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Kanen Serran wrote:you can only have passive sp active on one char at a time. if you apply the passive booster to a char without passive sp gain active it will do nothing and be wasted.
To answer my own question (I was unable to log in last night to check status on my main and alt), yes you can use AUR purchased passive SP BOOSTERS on alts without the in-game default passive SP system active on the alt.
When I applied both Active and Passive boosters to my main, all seemed good. This is APART from the original OP noting that the default in-game passive SP did not automatically start up again after the recent wipe. I did not notice this problem for several days. Apply the passive SP gain to an alt, then back to main corrected this without issue. Well, without issue beyond the annoyance of having several days' worth of potential passive SP lost ;) New topic.
No, my problem/question was regarding using an AUR 7-day passive booster on an alt. When I first applied the booster to my alt, no SP was marked. Nothing changed. Logging out of game and returning still showed no change of displayed SP gains. I was under the assumption that the booster item would work on an alt, especially considering the "NOTE" in the item description regarding alt use, but I could find no proof of that. Perhaps I was wrong? I posted this question from work, unable to log in to see if any refresh had taken place. Again, last night, I was unable to log in to check one way or another.
Now, looking at my alt, I can safely say that my ALT (that is, a character WITHOUT the in-game passive SP gain applied) is currently gaining passive SP due to the AUR purchased booster only. While a bit slow, it is steadily ticking upward every 6 seconds or so. I'm counting in my head here...no stop watches were harmed in the confirmation of this assumption. Working as intended. However, I am still lost as to why no SP was gained when I first applied the booster. I wish that I could have checked last night so that I have a better estimate of the loss gap between the SP count seemingly not refreshing and working properly now, but, such is dust.
I hope this helps others as confused as I was ;)
- me. |
Proxsus
Conflagration Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 06:29:00 -
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I'm going to keep bumping this thread so more people are made aware of this serious issue. By seeing this thread at least I was able to get 1 of the 7 days of boosted training I had paid for |
Arron Rift
Commando Perkone Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:04:00 -
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Thanks man |
byte modal
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:40:00 -
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Proxsus wrote:I'm going to keep bumping this thread so more people are made aware of this serious issue. By seeing this thread at least I was able to get 1 of the 7 days of boosted training I had paid for
I think you're misunderstanding. =( Your purchased booster should have been working all along. It was the default passive SP gain that we all set to run on our main (without additionally AUR purchased boosters) that was not working correctly. For whatever reason, that general passive sp gain did not start up automatically after the wipe. Purchase boosters did. Part of the problem was that with AUR 7-day boosters, most people saw that their skills were passively gaining so most never bothered to question whether the default passive SP gain was counting along with it or not. We all just assumed it was, until recently.
The optional passive SP gain we can apply to ONE character failed to start on its own. Switching it to an alt, and then back again fixes that.
The PURCHASED 7-day booster worked normally.
Missed points are missed points, I know! I just want to make sure it's clear which is which.
All the best,
- me. |
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Proxsus
Conflagration Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 13:58:00 -
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byte modal wrote:Proxsus wrote:I'm going to keep bumping this thread so more people are made aware of this serious issue. By seeing this thread at least I was able to get 1 of the 7 days of boosted training I had paid for I think you're misunderstanding. =( Your purchased booster should have been working all along. It was the default passive SP gain that we all set to run on our main (without additionally AUR purchased boosters) that was not working correctly. For whatever reason, that general passive sp gain did not start up automatically after the wipe. Purchase boosters did. Part of the problem was that with AUR 7-day boosters, most people saw that their skills were passively gaining so most never bothered to question whether the default passive SP gain was counting along with it or not. We all just assumed it was, until recently. The optional passive SP gain we can apply to ONE character failed to start on its own. Switching it to an alt, and then back again fixes that. The PURCHASED 7-day booster worked normally. Missed points are missed points, I know! I just want to make sure it's clear which is which. All the best, - me.
Thanks for clarifying. I guess this could affect people who don't use passives & haven't noticed the lack of sp gain (though it's more noticeable then). Players better check themselves before they wreck themselves. |
Passive SP Bonus
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:14:00 -
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Good to know.
I have this funny feeling I was born for this purpose. |
Kovak Therim
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:24:00 -
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Thank you for the heads up everyone. I got the bug, too. I watched my SP on my main and it wasn't going up at all (no booster). I created an alt and did what was suggested, now I'm getting SP normally again. I lost 5 or 6 days worth of SP, over 120,000. That 100,000 bonus we'll be getting won't even let those of us affected break even. |
Cody Sietz
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
63
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:30:00 -
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Zen Gravit wrote:Ouch, I lost like 6 days... Same here. I fixed mine last night.
Is there anything we can do about this? |
Proxsus
Conflagration Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:31:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Zen Gravit wrote:Ouch, I lost like 6 days... Same here. I fixed mine last night. Is there anything we can do about this?
Probably not.
I for one would love to hear a comment from ccp about it. maybe that they know this issue happened. I'd hate for something like this to happen again at another build change or to new players. The passive sp system is a major component of the game, and I for one would like to know that the games foundations are being rechecked to improve its future development. As we have seen in EvE, things that are left in an untidy state at the beginning of game development can become a headache to rework later.
So there's my rant to make my bump of this thread a bit more interesting. |
DJINN Avez
Doomheim
15
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Posted - 2013.01.18 02:55:00 -
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I came into this thread hoping to read something of refunds or at least recognition.... nothing. Hmmmm o.O I lost five days meself. now I can't log in kuzza http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Network-Support/FYI-PSN-Maintenance-Scheduled-for-Thursday-January-17th/m-p/39303767#U39303767
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Sergeant Wiznowski
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
38
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Posted - 2013.01.18 08:29:00 -
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I missed that thread as I do not have passive boosters and didn't cared ...
Checked last night and got the same bug as well. No passive skills for the last 7 days
So check your passive gains mercs if it's not ticking you need to switch passive gains to ALT. |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2013.01.18 13:25:00 -
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Sergeant Wiznowski wrote:I missed that thread as I do not have passive boosters and didn't cared ... Checked last night and got the same bug as well. No passive skills for the last 7 days So check your passive gains mercs if it's not ticking you need to switch passive gains to ALT.
I wish I titled the thread "Check your passive SP", but I too thought it was a booster issue rather than a passive SP problem.
Even after multiple clarifications in thread people are still getting it wrong. |
Chad2k95
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.18 21:56:00 -
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It still doesn't work on my character I made an alt and tried it 3 times but it still doesn't work can you help me? |
byte modal
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.01.18 22:09:00 -
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Chad2k95 wrote:It still doesn't work on my character I made an alt and tried it 3 times but it still doesn't work can you help me?
Chad,
With so many ideas and misunderstandings pinging around here, maybe list out specifically what you have done in detail. Someone might be able to pick out which step was missed, if any.
So we all know what you are dealing with, are you having problems with the default passive SP gain that can be applied to only one of your player characters? Are you have problems with your AUR purchased 7-day Passive Booster? Are you having problems with the Merc Pack 30--day Active Booster? All or none of the above? Or some combo?
When you are on your character selection screen, you can select one of your alternate character icons and choose the set passive skill gain (or whatever it is listed as) on that alt character. Immediately after, set the passive gain back to your main. This has reset the passive gain for everyone that I know with the problem (not that I know a lot, just following the forums). Please note that this passive gain is only available on one character. Also note that this has nothing to do with any of the purchased skill boosters from the Merc Pack or Dust AUR market place. If you are having problems with that, please explain. Someone following along may have some more advice.
All the best,
- me. |
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