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Glockshna Twerk
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.13 15:03:00 -
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Simple as can be. There is a massive game balance issue here. If people are allowed to use a mouse and keyboard to stomp controller users people will not want to play this game.
There are two solutions I can see to this problem:
1: Limit matchmaking for people with a keyboard connected to only match with other people with a keyboard connected and either kick people who connect a keyboard or simply disallow it from working in controller matches.
2: (Easier and most preferred imo) remove it completely.
Let's face it, you made a console shooter. If you want people to be able to use a mouse and keyboard port it to PC (where this game should be anyway but that's another story)
Thoughts? |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1003
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Posted - 2013.01.13 15:08:00 -
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Sounds like some more PC hatred to me. Console gaming shouldn't exist at all, imo, but that's another story.
Edit: Honestly, have you even tried using KBM? It's terrible - I'm a PC gamer and I still use the controller just because it's -terrible-. Sure, you got better accuracy but the controls don't even register half the time - you spend 25% of the game time actually trying to figure out how to switch weapons and open menus.
And let's not even get started on the terrible mouse interface to begin with, all you have to do is hold the analog stick in one direction - we have to fight against the sensitivity.
Try it before you hate it. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
283
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Posted - 2013.01.13 15:34:00 -
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Let people play they want to play. As long as there is no advantage in one or the other. |
Glockshna Twerk
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.01.13 15:52:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Let people play they want to play. As long as there is no advantage in one or the other.
Are you that dense?
Anyway, I did play with a keyboard and mouse. (My ps3 actually is at my desk hooked up to one of my screens) and it's not that bad. It took me 3 or 4 matches to get used to the odd controls but it's much better than with a controller. My K/d is usually 6-7/1 with a keyboard where it would be 2-3/1 with a controller
That's not saying much as skills with a controller vs skill with a keyboard is entirely subjective but the point is that we're not all on a level playing field. It is without a doubt advantageous to play a shooter with a KBM over a thumbstick controller.
To the Let people play how they want comment 
I respond with the FIRST suggestion in my original post which is separate matches for KBM and controller users which could be enabled through a simple check box in the matching system to put you in lobbies that don't allow keyboard use.
UI wise it's easy but implementation back end is not quite so easy. |
KA24DERT
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
13
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Posted - 2013.01.13 15:55:00 -
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This is a game where people spend real money to buy fake items to get a small edge over their opponents.
Do you think folks won't eventually spend the 15 dollars at Walmart for a keyboard and mouse combo?
This is assuming that folks don't already own keyboards and mice.
Honestly, if it wasn't for this feature, I wouldn't even have played this game. I'm sure I'm not alone in that sentiment. |
Glockshna Twerk
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.01.13 16:00:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:This is a game where people spend real money to buy fake items to get a small edge over their opponents.
Do you think folks won't eventually spend the 15 dollars at Walmart for a keyboard and mouse combo?
This is assuming that folks don't already own keyboards and mice.
Honestly, if it wasn't for this feature, I wouldn't even have played this game. I'm sure I'm not alone in that sentiment.
Which begs the questions of why they don't make this for PC as well but that's another thread.
My point here is that people shouldn't need to buy a keyboard to be competitive in this game. Separate matching for keyboard users is the simple solution here that wont hurt anybody's feelings. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
675
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Posted - 2013.01.13 16:20:00 -
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Glockshna Twerk wrote:Simple as can be. There is a massive game balance issue here. If people are allowed to use a mouse and keyboard to stomp controller users people will not want to play this game.
There are two solutions I can see to this problem:
1: Limit matchmaking for people with a keyboard connected to only match with other people with a keyboard connected and either kick people who connect a keyboard or simply disallow it from working in controller matches.
2: (Easier and most preferred imo) remove it completely.
Let's face it, you made a console shooter. If you want people to be able to use a mouse and keyboard port it to PC (where this game should be anyway but that's another story)
Thoughts?
I personally use both ds3 and kb/m depending on my mood and I can tell you there is absolutely no difference. The mouse sensitivity is on a par with ds3 sticks, there is no advantage for people using kb/m over people who use ds3, it all boild down to personal taste and for you to request for it to be removed is plain idiotic. It may be a console shooter but it has a great deal of pc elements, and people should have the choice to play with either ds3, kb/m or ps move.
Why are you not requesting move to be removed? If you want to use the sensitivity excuse, ps move has more sensitivity over mouse. But again, people have the right to choose.
There are also lots of menus and sub menus in dust and navigating those with controller can be cumbersome at times, then there's vehicle controls, infantry controls etc etc. not everyone likes to use ds3 for vehicles (I use ds3 for infantry and kb/m for vehicles), which brings me back to my previous 'personal taste' statement.
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Kovak Therim
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2013.01.13 16:27:00 -
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As long as I am not at disadvantage using a DS3, I don't care. 20+ years of using a controller and absolutely no desire to learn another control setup. Old dog, new trick kind of thing. I tried playing Morrowind and Oblivion on my laptop with a USB mouse. It wasn't pretty. It would be more frustrating to struggle with the M/K than to just use my DS3. Btw, TC, are you trying to get flamed? lol |
KA24DERT
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
13
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Posted - 2013.01.13 16:32:00 -
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Glockshna Twerk wrote:KA24DERT wrote:This is a game where people spend real money to buy fake items to get a small edge over their opponents.
Do you think folks won't eventually spend the 15 dollars at Walmart for a keyboard and mouse combo?
This is assuming that folks don't already own keyboards and mice.
Honestly, if it wasn't for this feature, I wouldn't even have played this game. I'm sure I'm not alone in that sentiment. Which begs the questions of why they don't make this for PC as well but that's another thread. My point here is that people shouldn't need to buy a keyboard to be competitive in this game. Separate matching for keyboard users is the simple solution here that wont hurt anybody's feelings.
Back in the 90s I used to play a lot of Doom 2. I beat all of Doom using a keyboard, with no mouse. The mouse was felt "wierd" and I just refused to play with it. Made me dizzy.
Then I found a local dial up BBS that allowed you to have 4 player deathmatches. Hey I'm gonna rock, I beat all those monsters so easily! Well, I just got trounced repeatedly. I could barely even get a single kill in. Eventually I found out why I was losing, enabled my mouse, had a week of learning pain, and started fragging with (some of) the best of them.
Being competitive always requires extra effort. If someone doesn't put the extra effort in, they stop being competitive.
So much is done to competitive games in order to not "hurt anybody's feelings" it's a wonder that games even have points anymore, and a further mystery that we still tally them in order to determine a winner.
tl;dr The simple solution here is for people to Harden the **** up. |
Thranx1231
CowTek
90
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Posted - 2013.01.13 16:37:00 -
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+1
Yep. |
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Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1003
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Posted - 2013.01.13 16:42:00 -
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So what's your actual reasoning for wanting it removed other than the fact that you can't shoot with a controller? |
McFurious
BetaMax.
67
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Posted - 2013.01.13 17:08:00 -
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I use keyboard and mouse because I'm a PC gamer and that's what I'm best with. I'm completely useless with a controller in an FPS. But I'm pretty sure a lot of the players on the high end of the leader boards are controller users though. So just use what you're best with. This game has options for both and that's awesome.
If you're getting better scores with a keyboard and mouse, just use that instead. Problem solved. |
Nickles Jester
BetaMax.
43
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Posted - 2013.01.13 21:07:00 -
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I don't believe for a moment that mouse and keyboard gives any sort of advantage over controller. That is just nonsense and you shouldn't be trying to scape goat that method simply because you got killed. Some of the best players in this game be they from Serephim, Hellstorm, Imperfects, Betamax or any other corp with skilled players don't use mouse and keyboard, they instead use controllers. Heck I bet the top 10 on the leaderboards only use controllers. One is not better than the other, they are both equal. It all depends on your preference and nothing more. I use both myself and I really see no difference between them, but hey that's mostly because I'm not like most console gamers or pc gamers I grew up using both equally so I'm a bit of a hybrid and can adapt easily. |
56 truth
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2013.01.13 21:15:00 -
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dude you miss the boat so many months ago when everyone was saying no or yes to keyboard and move |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
72
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Posted - 2013.01.29 23:58:00 -
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Quote:Back in the 90s I used to play a lot of Doom 2. I beat all of Doom using a keyboard, with no mouse. The mouse was felt "wierd" and I just refused to play with it. Made me dizzy.
Lol been there, i once went to a tourney (nothing big just 16 guys) and as i sat down people starting to equip their mouse to play some Duke Nukem 3D (i was like O_O wtfu are you gonna do with a mouse?......i ended up third using no mouse at all but daym...it hurt lol, picked up a mouse later on and 10 years later some Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, but i wouldnt have wanted any other way :p But yeah a mouse was really weird back then....
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Coleus Rattus
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.01.30 08:32:00 -
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I'm a long time PC gamer, yet I still prefer to play Dust with a controller. In fact, I haven't even botherd to try out the KB/M combo in Dust.
Still, I manage to be amongst the top 3 players of my team prety much all the time. And I think it has various reasons:
Firstly, playing on the big screen with KB/M takes time getting used to, which I learned after trying to play BF3 on PC on my TV.
Secondly, as it's a free to play game, most players will be "casual" or short time players which will mostly use the Controller.
Thirdly, again, as it's a console FPS, I also think that most of the long term players will stick with controllers.
And lastly, even though it might be neccessary to switch over to KB/M to be individually competitive on the high end, Dust rewards teamplay and tactics over individual KDRs, so a disparity in controller speed and precision isn't as decisive as in a Deathmatch game.
So I say, keep it in. Variatio delectat! |
Memeotis
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.01.30 12:35:00 -
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I wrote on the same topic ages ago with the simple argument that KB/M is more powerful. This has already been proven. Balance is key to an enjoyable gaming experience.
I quit this game long ago, I merely dropped by today to see if things had improved, but clearly not much has changed. Even if Dust was actually good game to begin with, the fact that KB/M is supported would still have caused me to quit anyway.
Dust 514 should've switched places with Planetside 2, imo. The depth CCP is trying to achieve with this game makes it more fitting for a PC game, while PS2 all-round better gameplay, though shallow metagame would make it great for console. |
BOZ MR
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.01.30 12:52:00 -
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They told in an interview that they are considering to add control-type filtering in the future, meaning that you will not play with keyboard players if you do not want to. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
208
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Posted - 2013.01.30 13:16:00 -
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Memeotis wrote:I wrote on the same topic ages ago with the simple argument that KB/M is more powerful. This has already been proven. Balance is key to an enjoyable gaming experience. I quit this game long ago, I merely dropped by today to see if things had improved, but clearly not much has changed. Even if Dust was actually good game to begin with, the fact that KB/M is supported would still have caused me to quit anyway. Dust 514 should've switched places with Planetside 2, imo. The depth CCP is trying to achieve with this game makes it more fitting for a PC game, while PS2 all-round better gameplay, though shallow metagame would make it great for console.
Lol it must be true cos someone wrote a blog about it ! |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
217
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Posted - 2013.01.30 14:01:00 -
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I direct you to the leaderboards. Go look at number 1. See that guy yea he uses DS3. Oh you see those imperfects up there. Oh yea most of them use DS3.
Corp after corp after corp will tell you of players who use DS3 all who utterly decimate players regardless of what peripheral they use.
But love those tasty tears. |
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2013.01.30 15:10:00 -
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Some of the best players in this beta use the DS3 and it does nothing to stop them from shitting all over everyone. Protoman, for instance, uses the DS3 and routinely strides through entire teams without stopping. If you're performing better with a mouse than a DS3, then that's it. You perform better. Some people don't.
Deal with it. |
Volgair
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
200
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Posted - 2013.01.30 15:22:00 -
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HTFU, this is a compromise for the disappointment that is this game being marketed as a PS3 exclusive... Plus the fact of the matter is its not an advantage just a preference for manipulation of the control scheme.
Also there are many things that cant be done on M&KB, efficiently using a Rail tank or Rail Turret or piloting a drop ship. Selecting a spawn point. I have to have a DS3 on my lap at all times for these things.
If you think its an advantage, buy a M&KB and if nothing more then to try it before b*tching about it. You may even find that you like it more.
NOTE: While it's not currently an issue, there are no companies that make a "turbo" or "modded" mouse the that allow people to cheat by auto firing weapons that by design are supposed to be "pull per shot." This is mainly due to the fact that such peripheral's are considered cheating on PC and are not permitted in tourney play. They however are considered Pro on console. |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2013.01.30 16:52:00 -
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i think there is a much easier fix to this, move it to the PC.
eliminate the middle man completely from the equation. also it would prolong the future of the game. |
Kovak Therim
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2013.01.30 18:33:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:i think there is a much easier fix to this, move it to the PC.
eliminate the middle man completely from the equation. also it would prolong the future of the game.
By competing with the plethora of arguably better MMOFPS already out on that platform? Uh huh. Yea, sure. It's fine where it is.
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Coleus Rattus
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.01.30 19:00:00 -
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Volgair wrote:
NOTE: While it's not currently an issue, there are no companies that make a "turbo" or "modded" mouse the that allow people to cheat by auto firing weapons that by design are supposed to be "pull per shot." This is mainly due to the fact that such peripheral's are considered cheating on PC and are not permitted in tourney play. They however are considered Pro on console.
Well, there are controllers too with a turbo fire function, so I think that's a non issue concerning the advantages of mice over thumbsticks... |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2013.01.30 19:05:00 -
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Kovak Therim wrote:
By competing with the plethora of arguably better MMOFPS already out on that platform? Uh huh. Yea, sure. It's fine where it is.
yeah, because there isn't any Q based FPSs on the PS3 at all. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2013.01.31 04:10:00 -
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Another whiner looking for an excuse as to why they are scrubby. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2013.01.31 04:31:00 -
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As a general rule, try something before you say its OP. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2013.01.31 04:50:00 -
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I've used both control schemes.
I perform better with the sixaxis (emphasis on "sixaxis" not "DS3" because I have a release-week controller that doesn't have DualShock functionality as well as several newer DualShock controllers) than the mouse and keyboard.
And yes, I'm good with KB+M control. When I'm planning to run as a sniper, I'll plug them in, but for the most part, I don't snipe, and precision aim doesn't help as much as fluid movement, which WASD doesn't offer. |
Jooki Chewaka
Freek Coalition
8
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Posted - 2013.01.31 04:55:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:This is a game where people spend real money to buy fake items to get a small edge over their opponents.
Do you think folks won't eventually spend the 15 dollars at Walmart for a keyboard and mouse combo?
This is assuming that folks don't already own keyboards and mice.
Honestly, if it wasn't for this feature, I wouldn't even have played this game. I'm sure I'm not alone in that sentiment.
Absolutely man, in fact i bought a ps3 to buy this game, im also a pc gamer, eve gamer, and if they remove this feature (as bad and botched as it is, tbh), well...
if they do, GIMME MY MONEY BACK |
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DropKickSuicide
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
74
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Posted - 2013.01.31 05:26:00 -
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I personnaly HATE using KB/M for anything thing but If I couldnt use my controller ( wich Iv been using since PS1 released ) I would not play this game. Im sure most people that are using KB/M are using it for the same reason not and "Advantage".
The Advantage in using a KB/M over a Controller is strictly personel preference. If I tried using KB/M id probly go 0-30 and thats if I could even get to the battle before it was over.
Also If this was PC only there would be alot of people not able to play the game ( myself includded ) and that is money lost for CCP.
In short the more choices there are to acustom different players the more players there will be. |
Kovak Therim
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2013.01.31 10:16:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:As a general rule, try something before you say its OP.
I just did. A crap K/M and no idea wtf I was doing. Using militia gear. I still got some kills in a match. It is OP. It wasn't nerfed nearly as much as I thought it was. You can turn pretty damn fast with the mouse. HTFU has nothing to do with it. A pro with a K/M will utterly destroy someone with a DS3 in this game. It shouldn't have been added. I don't care about what the OP says, I used it and saw for myself. It needs to be removed. IDGAF what you say to me, it won't change my stance on it. There is no balance as long as DS3 and K/M users get thrown into the same matches. I shudder to think what a pro can do with a mouse.
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cesar theone
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.01.31 10:32:00 -
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I strongly disagree!! One of the things i find the most appealing about Dust 514, is the option to use a Mouse. I think the point is to APPEAL to hardcore gamer's, if you want to have a competitive environment. Please don't change this, i BEG you !!! |
CarloArmato2991
RED COLONIAL MARINES
Covert Intervention
20
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Posted - 2013.01.31 10:40:00 -
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I've played on PS3 for this last 3 years, but I was a PC gamer before.
I've tryed KB/M combo on Dust 514, but I can't see too much advantages: there are some issues that prevents Mouse&keyboards from being better than the DS3.
So no, I don't think that Mouse and Keyboard combo should be removed anyways. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2013.01.31 10:43:00 -
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Yeah, I can tell you from experience against the best guns in the game... you can kill and hold your own in any match-up. KBM v KBM, DS3 v DS3, and KBM v DS3 are all pretty much equal. The advantages, if any beyond comfort level, are small and situational. |
Breakin Stuff
Immobile Infantry
680
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Posted - 2013.01.31 11:02:00 -
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Glockshna Twerk wrote:I dont want PC gamers to join in and add to the game unless they play the way I say they have to. If they can be competent by using a familiar interface it's clearly unfair! Blahblah take away their ability to use familiar control interfaces because they kill me because my DS3-fu is weak!
Thoughts?
I think you have lost your rabid-ass mind.
That thought good enough for you? |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
248
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Posted - 2013.01.31 11:26:00 -
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I stomp kb/m users all day every day with my ds3. I have no need for you to nerf my opposition! DON'T TAKE AWAY MY ONLY CHALLENGING TARGETS! ="(
Edit: Well, there are a FEW ds3 hard targets... |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2013.01.31 12:38:00 -
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Kovak Therim wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:As a general rule, try something before you say its OP. I just did. A crap K/M and no idea wtf I was doing. Using militia gear. I still got some kills in a match. It is OP. It wasn't nerfed nearly as much as I thought it was. You can turn pretty damn fast with the mouse. HTFU has nothing to do with it. A pro with a K/M will utterly destroy someone with a DS3 in this game. It shouldn't have been added. I don't care about what the OP says, I used it and saw for myself. It needs to be removed. IDGAF what you say to me, it won't change my stance on it. There is no balance as long as DS3 and K/M users get thrown into the same matches. I shudder to think what a pro can do with a mouse.
What I'm reading here is that you suck with the sixaxis controller, and not that KB+M is OP.
I've tried both too. Repeatedly. I almost exclusively stick to my sixaxis because it works better for me. |
Ragmesesis
The Lusitans
6
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Posted - 2013.01.31 12:53:00 -
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Glockshna Twerk wrote:Simple as can be. There is a massive game balance issue here. If people are allowed to use a mouse and keyboard to stomp controller users people will not want to play this game.
There are two solutions I can see to this problem:
1: Limit matchmaking for people with a keyboard connected to only match with other people with a keyboard connected and either kick people who connect a keyboard or simply disallow it from working in controller matches.
2: (Easier and most preferred imo) remove it completely.
Let's face it, you made a console shooter. If you want people to be able to use a mouse and keyboard port it to PC (where this game should be anyway but that's another story)
Thoughts?
In someway i understand you dust is a console game so people should use the dualshock or psmove and clearly the analog stick is not balanced the sencitivity is a mess it should be a priority to fix but i dont see any changes BUT in the otherway there are a lot of people who hate FPS in a console because you use a controler and ps3 has oficial keyboad and the system lets you have a mouse so i dont understand that hate through the keyboard and mouse users i think the way to go is ccp to fix the sencitivity in all dualshock and psmove and also the mouse because people still say its far from perfect |
Johnny Starscream
DUST University
Ivy League
7
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Posted - 2013.02.01 12:55:00 -
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Why is it that when someone is trying to provide feedback about balancing issues, it's whining? I think the OP has a great point. I've always been better on PC shooters due to the increased accuracy and speed of using a mouse. I did try the mouse and keyboard just now and it felt as sluggish as the DS3. However, I also just found out I can increase the mouse sensitivity not only in-game but in the PS3 system menu as well. I'm gonna try it out today to see if the OP's point about the critical issue of balance is valid and then report back. |
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Matobar
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
123
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Posted - 2013.02.01 13:58:00 -
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Some people are better with a mouse and keyboard, some are better with a controller. Why does it matter which one people use. If CCP were to somehow let an Xbox controller or Wii-mote connect to the PS3 so we could use it in the game, would you suddenly want those to be removed too? |
addsta01
The Southern Legion
12
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Posted - 2013.02.01 15:52:00 -
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Glockshna Twerk wrote:Simple as can be. There is a massive game balance issue here. If people are allowed to use a mouse and keyboard to stomp controller users people will not want to play this game.
There are two solutions I can see to this problem:
1: Limit matchmaking for people with a keyboard connected to only match with other people with a keyboard connected and either kick people who connect a keyboard or simply disallow it from working in controller matches.
2: (Easier and most preferred imo) remove it completely.
Let's face it, you made a console shooter. If you want people to be able to use a mouse and keyboard port it to PC (where this game should be anyway but that's another story)
Thoughts?
remove the ability i think NOT..if you dont like it quit.
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Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2013.02.01 16:10:00 -
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Glockshna Twerk wrote:Simple as can be. There is a massive game balance issue here. If people are allowed to use a mouse and keyboard to stomp controller users people will not want to play this game.
There are two solutions I can see to this problem:
1: Limit matchmaking for people with a keyboard connected to only match with other people with a keyboard connected and either kick people who connect a keyboard or simply disallow it from working in controller matches.
2: (Easier and most preferred imo) remove it completely.
Let's face it, you made a console shooter. If you want people to be able to use a mouse and keyboard port it to PC (where this game should be anyway but that's another story)
Thoughts?
I do not, nor have I ever, used KBM with Dust. That having been said I give this idea a resounding -1 for the attempt to remove aspects of diversity, and even more importantly player choice from the game. That is 180 degrees the wrong direction to be headed.
0.02 ISK
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Round3y3
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.02.01 16:10:00 -
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The mouse and keyboard feature isn't going anywhere. Think about it, the PS3 is all about features and integration and so are many of the titles made for it. There is no way that the first ever console-PC linked mmo shooter is going to "lose" a major popular feature because a few people get all fussy about it. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2013.02.01 16:22:00 -
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I switch back and forth. Shockingly, using M&K does not feel like cheating. It's definitely better, though I feel like I am slightly worse at navigating laterally in complex envirornments.
Weapon choice makes a big difference, too. SMG run & gun is almost better with the dual shock while lasers, snipers, and especially scrambler pistols benefit greatly from a mouse's fine aiming. (Swarm Launchers obviously don't give a kitten either way.) |
Cade Orion
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.02.01 18:10:00 -
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Let people play how they want to play. Dust 514 gives you the options to play with whatever controls you'd like to play with and that's advancement. Should there be matchmaking for controllers and keyboards - maybe, but that would depend on how much more of an advantage the mouse users have over the gaming controls. I have a mouse and keyboard I have bought just for use with this game, but haven't used it yet. Maybe I should plug it in and see how much difference there is. |
Gallus Sicarius
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:01:00 -
[47] - Quote
Let people do what they want. As other have already said, M+KB doesn't really give anyone a big advantage, and if it did, you could just switch to M+KB yourself and everyone would be on an even playing field again. |
Jayquan18
The Southern Legion
42
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:21:00 -
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CarloArmato2991 wrote:I've played on PS3 for this last 3 years, but I was a PC gamer before.
I've tryed KB/M combo on Dust 514, but I can't see too much advantages: there are some issues that prevents Mouse&keyboards from being better than the DS3.
So no, I don't think that Mouse and Keyboard combo should be removed anyways.
I think CCP made a way were the KB/M won't be an advantage over the DS3. |
Johnny Starscream
DUST University
Ivy League
7
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:21:00 -
[49] - Quote
I compared the two in battle. It takes roughly the same about of time (I measured 1.6 seconds) for me to do a full 360 with both KBM and DS3 (with sensitivity all the way up). I'm great with PC shooting games but they balanced the mouse sensitivity well enough so that I see no reason to ever use KBM over DS3. |
Jayquan18
The Southern Legion
42
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:24:00 -
[50] - Quote
Johnny Starscream wrote:I compared the two in battle. It takes roughly the same about of time (I measured 1.6 seconds) for me to do a full 360 with both KBM and DS3 (with sensitivity all the way up). I'm great with PC shooting games but they balanced the mouse sensitivity well enough so that I see no reason to ever use KBM over DS3.
I'm glad CCP balanced it. |
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Aighun
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2013.02.02 04:23:00 -
[51] - Quote
This thread is great fun. It is like when I first started playing the beta... but the opposite!
Water under the bridge. In the beginning I thought KBM implementation was a terrible idea.
Now, having played the game and gotten to know and like a number of KBM players I think it wasn't such a terrible idea after all.
I think CCP is doing a good enough job introducing such a wide variety of vehicles, weapons, and gear that no player is going to have a far reaching advantage in this game just because of their controller. If this game had a much narrower scope like COD then we would have a problem.
You can snipe more accurately with KBM. But you can tear it up much more easily in a drop ship or tank with controller. But that is just me.
I like to sit on a couch and use a controller. I think it is great that someone who likes to sit at a desk and use KBM can do so.
Edit* The OP makes a point that is empirically verifiable: it is just physically not possible to achieve the accuracy of pointing and clicking, I mean, aiming a reticle and shooting using a controller that you can using KBM. But misses something about Dust that is just much bigger than the controller wars. One player can't win this game. One weapon, or style of combat or dropsuit load out is not a game winner. There is already so much more to this game in teamwork and just getting a good balanced squad that works well together in your corp that controller becomes a side issue. Yeah, maybe if your only goal was to top the leader board in pub matches with the most kills while sniping, you could use KBM and get an advantage. And there is room in Dust for you to do that. Like I said before, there is enough stuff in this game that plays differently in enough ways to give any of the device options we can use the chance to be totally OP. Except maybe Move. Get to work on the Move! It looks fun. This is not only a console shooter, it is a PS 3 exclusive!
Dust is growing by the day and we can all play how we like. And I like that about this game. The more choices we give players, the more we can bring together players with different styles of gameplay and allow them all to kill each other using the toys they like best, the better. |
Olav Grey-Mane
The Exemplars
58
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Posted - 2013.02.02 04:26:00 -
[52] - Quote
Why? I enjoy using both. It sounds like you just don't like people who use keyboards and mice... there is really no difference, they may be better with them than you but that means your better with a controller.
I say keep the K&M for player choice. |
Erahk Manaan
Defiant Kelkoons
57
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Posted - 2013.02.02 04:28:00 -
[53] - Quote
M/KB does not provide any advantages that you yourself can not achieve. If you really think it is that much better go get a mouse and keyboard. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2013.02.02 04:52:00 -
[54] - Quote
Poor sharp shooter/ move controller. Nobody loves you  |
Citrutex
The High and Mighty
64
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Posted - 2013.02.02 05:33:00 -
[55] - Quote
The only reason kb/m is not OP at this time is due to constantly low framerates.
Not trying to be condescending, and just kind of throwing it out there, but Quakelive does support mapping a console controller, I'm not very good, any vet can wipe the floor with me, and just about any modern computer/laptop can run it at acceptable framerates. I would love to see someone prove to me that a console controller can be just as competitive as a mouse and keyboard.
Doesn't even have to be a close match, just not a landslide would be acceptable proof. (not me, just some humorous videos i found, and to be fair, its hard to take someone with the name 'bongsmoker' seriously) |
Thrain Fireshield
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.02.02 13:53:00 -
[56] - Quote
No.
Horrible idea. |
Axirts
Misfits of Mayhem
27
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Posted - 2013.02.02 15:19:00 -
[57] - Quote
I tried keyboard and mouse, couldn't do it. I still do way better than my friends who use keyboards and mice. And sniping is really easy if you set sensitivity right. I'm fine with how it is as long as the whole counterstrike community doesn't move here. |
Coleus Rattus
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.02.02 16:27:00 -
[58] - Quote
Citrutex wrote:The only reason kb/m is not OP at this time is due to constantly low framerates. Not trying to be condescending, and just kind of throwing it out there, but Quakelive does support mapping a console controller, I'm not very good, any vet can wipe the floor with me, and just about any modern computer/laptop can run it at acceptable framerates. I would love to see someone prove to me that a console controller can be just as competitive as a mouse and keyboard. Doesn't even have to be a close match, just not a landslide would be acceptable proof. (not me, just some humorous videos i found, and to be fair, its hard to take someone with the name 'bongsmoker' seriously)
That comparison as a slight flaw: quakelive is a very fast paced game where you need to be very quick and very precise with your aim in addition to being very mobile to succeed.
Dust is much slower in comparison, and poitioning is much more important than speed. thus, while still at a disadvatage, it isn't as pronounced as in old tournament shooters like quake. |
Alexi Loken
Caldari Strategic Solutions
7
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Posted - 2013.02.02 17:57:00 -
[59] - Quote
This whole discussion has become a little silly and has gone a bit off topic in my opinion however I will throw my 2 ISK in.
The hardware should NOT dictate your skill level some people are good with DS3, M&K, or Move it just depends who you are and how much practice you put into your preferred control interface. I started Dust with DS3 and I got slaughtered because I was not good with it, then I switched over to my M&K then I was on par with others after that I did not become some gaming god. And I cannot speak for Move players because I do not have one.
The point being is that don't try to get things removed because those that use different hardware than you beat you because they are more experienced using it. |
Mars El'Theran
Red Rogue Squadron
Heart 0f Darkness
52
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Posted - 2013.02.02 19:17:00 -
[60] - Quote
Until keyboards can be remapped, I see the option of KbM as out of the question. Even with a mouse that responds properly, it still seems terribly awkward and I can seem to find certain things which are not listed in the controls menu. Can't recall which atm.
I still use controller, and feel the same way about Move as I do the KbM. It is terrible too. I'm a PC gamer mostly, but still find the KbM to be awkward in Dust, aside from that you can have a mouse and keyboard and more effectively communicate, plus use the mouse when you are sniping, (I don't do either), and still have the controller to use.
The fact that you need three peripherals to make this work is just a bit silly. Frankly, I don't think it is worth the bother, though I may pick up a keyboard later for typing. The other one is for my PC.
And, whatever the case, I see the implementation of all 3 of these control modes, including combinations of any of them, as acceptable. If they ever improve either or both of the KbM and Move alternatives, I may switch to one or the other, or at least test them out again.
Some players just work better with one or the other, and often that selection is not the controller, which it has honestly taken me months to even half get used too. |
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Leon Angelus
Coalition Of Goverments
0
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Posted - 2013.02.03 15:36:00 -
[61] - Quote
What about playstation move? wouldn't that give a disadvantage or advantage to Controller players? What if some people are terrible with Controllers but play well with mouse and keyboard? by allowing multiple controller types CCP has opened this game upto many more players, and in any MMORPG's, More players means a better game generally. |
Indianna Pwns
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
9
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Posted - 2013.02.03 21:40:00 -
[62] - Quote
I've used both m/kb and ds3, the advantage is not that pronounced. Technically you can micro adjust your aim better with a kb/m. However their are a few factors to consider as the ps3 holds back the accuracy with a mouse somewhat.
I have a razer abysuss however I have to turn the polling rate down to 125hz as at 1000hz i can barely turn even at max sensitivity. Also the frame rate affects my accuracy with the mouse (once it starts to get choppy my aim is all over the place) whereas the aim assist on ds3 will help in this scenario.
You can be successful with either control mechanism. If this was on PC however I would use kb/m all day every day as the mouse is much better on that system. |
WhiskeyJack Otako
The Southern Legion
5
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Posted - 2013.02.03 21:55:00 -
[63] - Quote
Glockshna Twerk wrote:Simple as can be. There is a massive game balance issue here. If people are allowed to use a mouse and keyboard to stomp controller users people will not want to play this game.
There are two solutions I can see to this problem:
1: Limit matchmaking for people with a keyboard connected to only match with other people with a keyboard connected and either kick people who connect a keyboard or simply disallow it from working in controller matches.
2: (Easier and most preferred imo) remove it completely.
Let's face it, you made a console shooter. If you want people to be able to use a mouse and keyboard port it to PC (where this game should be anyway but that's another story)
Thoughts?
Thought 1: You're obviously suffering from anal-cranial inversion syndrome.
Thought 2: See you out there. Please QQ more. |
2-Ton Twenty-One
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
235
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Posted - 2013.02.03 23:56:00 -
[64] - Quote
there is no way in hell i am trying to send messages to people in game with a dam controller. I dont have that kind of time on my hands |
Atlas Exenthal
mnemonic.
30
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:24:00 -
[65] - Quote
I use KBM because that's what I'm most comfortable with.
I keep my controller within reach because it's better suited for certain aspects (imo) like the menus, dropships, turning turrets etc.. |
Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
53
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Posted - 2013.02.04 02:47:00 -
[66] - Quote
A mouse and keyboard costs how much, I found mine in a pile of junky bits. with 2 usb ports use one or both
The ps3 is modular, think a bit, and just get a keyboard or mouse if you want to
Personally when using a vehicle I prefer controller for looking, and keyboard for driving.
You can use whatever you want and get used to it, I also got a move remote, just because moving to my fav game seems fun |
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