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Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis
300
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Posted - 2013.01.12 00:35:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Of couse people are going to attack you, after you attacked them over something trivial like a rumor. This is the kind of mentality that I don't like about this whole thing. It's all on us. It's all our fault for the way we act. We're the immature ones. Except somehow it's not immature for the initial attacks and accusations. There's nothing wrong the people who spread rumors, the people who call us cheaters (who still continue to do so), the people who attack us and disregard any legitimate idea or suggestion we have while it's acknowledged and discussed if someone different makes a duplicate thread on the exact same topic. It's just "oh another IMP QQ thread" and then turned into a bickering insult fest. This is why some of our members do what they do. There's really no going back. You're not going to change your opinion because any move toward civility (see: this thread) turns into "first reply edited by GM for being disrespectful" and "I can only shake my head at the Imperfects attempts to improve an image..." How can people get on your good side if you're unwilling to let them? As far as some of our guys are concerned, **** it, you're not going to let us escape the "bad boy" image, so we might as well embrace it. I feel like this thread has turned into a "big elephant in the room" discussion about how you guys are viewed.
I'm now seeing where you're coming from Tiel and I respect that. I greatly respect the time you took to explain yourself (although i'm only assuming you feel like you shouldn't/don't have to explain yourself, not a bad thing). While I don't think that this will (I could be wrong though) make everyone drop their Duvolles (sp?) and start a big group hug, I think it'll open at least some peoples' eyes a little.
Anyway, what the hell were we talking about? Oh yeah, I want in on summa dis OB nonsense. |
Latina-Maffia
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
6
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Posted - 2013.01.12 00:40:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Tiel Syysch wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:The irony is that they now think it a good idea to do this, and are attempting to test the game 2 weeks before release when they have had several months to do so leading up to now. I hope you realize that we have people that regularly do more testing than most others registered for the beta. You just don't see, remember or care about the threads because everyone's biased against our opinions, ideas and feedback, no matter how legitimate they are. My comment is based on a conversation I had with Zitro that you weren't part of, thank you. EDIT: I'm not also not biased against your corp - there are a handful that I enjoy bantering with and talk to (Cyn for example). As for your testing, Cyn is the only one I've noticed say anything constructive on the forums, which I read every day when I'm at work waiting for the phone to ring.
Cyn is definitely constructive in the forums as is HowDidThatTaste.....he's not only constructive in his posts but polite and civil as well. It would be good for those IMPERFECTS to learn by their examples and follow their leads.
As I said in an earlier post in this thread....CIVILITY COSTS NOTHING! |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.01.12 00:40:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Of couse people are going to attack you, after you attacked them over something trivial like a rumor. This is the kind of mentality that I don't like about this whole thing. It's all on us. It's all our fault for the way we act. We're the immature ones. Except somehow it's not immature for the initial attacks and accusations. There's nothing wrong the people who spread rumors, the people who call us cheaters (who still continue to do so), the people who attack us and disregard any legitimate idea or suggestion we have while it's acknowledged and discussed if someone different makes a duplicate thread on the exact same topic. It's just "oh another IMP QQ thread" and then turned into a bickering insult fest. This is why some of our members do what they do. There's really no going back. You're not going to change your opinion because any move toward civility (see: this thread) turns into "first reply edited by GM for being disrespectful" and "I can only shake my head at the Imperfects attempts to improve an image..." How can people get on your good side if you're unwilling to let them? As far as some of our guys are concerned, **** it, you're not going to let us escape the "bad boy" image, so we might as well embrace it.
I never said it was mature that people spout out rumors. As a matter of fact, I asked if it was fair and I said no it wasn't, and that you can't control it. What your team can do is act as most mature people do in the real world, as opposed to how people shrouded in anonymity on the internet does. Rumors may have started it, but I wasn't issuing the rumors. Why attack me as your players have? Did I attack back - no, I took the high road acted out of responsibility.
You asked a question, friend, and got an answer. If you don't like the answer, that is your opinion. You have the choice to either take what I said and think on it, or ignore it. I don't care which you do - as I said I was only answering your question.
You also say people said things about there being duplicate threads, and IMPS were QQing again. I'm sure you noticed you aren't the only corp that was treated that way - and yes that is immature too. However, your corp's reaction far exceeded any other reaction. Believing otherwise is a fantasy. Your corp's reaction added fuel to the fire. Is it all your corp's fault? No. But your members certainly added fuel to the fire, instead of behaving in a way more becoming a leader in the community as you once had the potential to be.
EDIT: if you want to leave the "bad boy image" behind, then my recommendation is to ask your leader to do just that. We asked him about being a leader in the community; his response was and is "f the community". If he decides to be a true leader in the community, then people will respect you again. I'm not going to argue how you got here - but there is a way to change the perception if you are willing to do it. And yes, it is on you to change their perception, if you want to have a positive image. Your image belongs to you - you foster it and it grows based on the food you feed it. And yes, until I see long term proof that that is what your corp wants, it only looks like window dressing. I would rather have Imperfects succeed and represent Dust with pride, but my respect is not given out freely. It has to be earned, and when you are disrespectful to me, I will not respect you (again, general you, not you specifically). Think on this, if you will. Set the emotions aside for a moment. Put this situation in a real world scenario - see how it plays out. You want a better image - here's your chance. Make good on it. Be positive. Be leaders. Otherwise, the public perception will continue to be what it is and this test this weekend is what I called it before: lipstick on a pig. I have no problem with your Tiel - I don't even know you. You seem a good person - maybe even a good leader. Take that step and see where it goes. You might be surprised. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2046
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Posted - 2013.01.12 00:44:00 -
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Haha the only difference between IMPs and other corps is that we don't hide behind alts to keep our main looking classy, this is the internet don't be so scared |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis
300
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Posted - 2013.01.12 00:46:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Haha the only difference between IMPs and other corps is that we don't hide behind alts to keep our main looking classy, this is the internet don't be so scared Says the guy with 29847894598723895 alts Granted they all have Zan in them.... |
Astral Zan
Doomheim
31
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Posted - 2013.01.12 00:47:00 -
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Polish Hammer wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Haha the only difference between IMPs and other corps is that we don't hide behind alts to keep our main looking classy, this is the internet don't be so scared Says the guy with 29847894598723895 alts Granted they all have Zan in them.... But I don't hide |
DudE Just Die
Red Star.
17
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Posted - 2013.01.12 00:48:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Haha the only difference between IMPs and other corps is that we don't hide behind alts to keep our main looking classy, this is the internet don't be so scared
LOL that Difference List is a whole lot longer then that.
Zan is one of us |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.01.12 00:49:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Haha the only difference between IMPs and other corps is that we don't hide behind alts to keep our main looking classy, this is the internet don't be so scared
Zan - you are one of the few I do respect. When you are "trolling" it is almost always in good humor and clearly a joke. I don't recall once seeing you post something deliberately hurtful to anyone. I remember fondly the matches you don't remember |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis
300
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Posted - 2013.01.12 00:51:00 -
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Astral Zan wrote:Polish Hammer wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Haha the only difference between IMPs and other corps is that we don't hide behind alts to keep our main looking classy, this is the internet don't be so scared Says the guy with 29847894598723895 alts Granted they all have Zan in them.... But I don't hide You so sirry (silly*) Zan. |
Astral Zan
Doomheim
31
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Posted - 2013.01.12 00:51:00 -
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DudE Just Die wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Haha the only difference between IMPs and other corps is that we don't hide behind alts to keep our main looking classy, this is the internet don't be so scared LOL that Difference List is a whole lot longer then that. Zan is one of us Oh sorry I forgot IMPs are also #1 in the tournament and undefeated in corp battles thanks for reminding me, good your a cool guy like that. |
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
248
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Posted - 2013.01.12 00:53:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Of couse people are going to attack you, after you attacked them over something trivial like a rumor. This is the kind of mentality that I don't like about this whole thing. It's all on us. It's all our fault for the way we act. We're the immature ones. Except somehow it's not immature for the initial attacks and accusations. There's nothing wrong the people who spread rumors, the people who call us cheaters (who still continue to do so), the people who attack us and disregard any legitimate idea or suggestion we have while it's acknowledged and discussed if someone different makes a duplicate thread on the exact same topic. It's just "oh another IMP QQ thread" and then turned into a bickering insult fest. This is why some of our members do what they do. There's really no going back. You're not going to change your opinion because any move toward civility (see: this thread) turns into "first reply edited by GM for being disrespectful" and "I can only shake my head at the Imperfects attempts to improve an image..." How can people get on your good side if you're unwilling to let them? As far as some of our guys are concerned, **** it, you're not going to let us escape the "bad boy" image, so we might as well embrace it. Tiel, I know not all of you are immature trolls. I've personally written whole threads concerning this because there are some decent people in your ranks that I thought deserved a bit of credit. Instead of getting support from any of your people however, the thread devolved into attacks on me from your people (which I nimbly sidestepped I might add), and anyone who happened to post on the thread was trolled by the same people I was attempting to shed some light on.
What I'm saying here is, Imps need some internal work if they ever want to loose the stigmata they currently have. It's not worth trying to help a corp that is constantly going out of it's way to damage it's reputation further and further every day.
Sleepy Zan wrote:Haha the only difference between IMPs and other corps is that we don't hide behind alts to keep our main looking classy, this is the internet don't be so scared I had alts for a reason, and just made this one. My previous alts were marked Overlord at the start of them and I was open about who I was.
And you're one of the one's I'd place in the category of mild mannered among the trolls you roll with. You're good people Zan, even if you do ocasionally roll over a few blue dots.
Polish Hammer wrote: Anyway, what the hell were we talking about?
I'm only posting here because I found a nice place where I could fit the word "d*ckfeather" into a sentence. |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2013.01.12 00:56:00 -
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I stopped testing and started trolling the moment CCP started listening to the scrubs and taking all the skill out of the game. |
Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
711
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Posted - 2013.01.12 01:00:00 -
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Skill: The ability to press R1. lolol |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.01.12 01:00:00 -
[44] - Quote
xprotoman23 wrote:I stopped testing and started trolling the moment CCP started listening to the scrubs and taking all the skill out of the game.
At least its an honest answer lol |
Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
711
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Posted - 2013.01.12 01:00:00 -
[45] - Quote
Yall are writing some essays up in hurrrrrr. It's cray. |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.01.12 01:00:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:Skill: The ability to press R1. lolol
Nobody saw, but I opened my Neocom on the plane to TQ [gasp!] |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2013.01.12 01:01:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:I stopped testing and started trolling the moment CCP started listening to the scrubs and taking all the skill out of the game. I keep going back and forth in my self argument on that matter. I'm upset that any noob can throw a nade and slaughter me with weak gun game - but on the other hand I don't want this game to be low popped. Then again - I hate the children that come from catering to casuals. then again - I hate not getting full games.
Back n forth - back n forth. Pros and cons to everything. I want this to be skilled based too so that the best are the best - but I don't want a cult hit and games like that tend to be only that.
Ahh - someone shoot me - again. Q.Q |
Forlorn Destrier
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
914
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Posted - 2013.01.12 01:01:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:I stopped testing and started trolling the moment CCP started listening to the scrubs and taking all the skill out of the game. I keep going back and forth in my self argument on that matter. I'm upset that any noob can throw a nade and slaughter me with weak gun game - but on the other hand I don't want this game to be low popped. Then again - I hate the children that come from catering to casuals. then again - I hate not getting full games. Back n forth - back n forth. Pros and cons to everything. I want this to be skilled based too so that the best are the best - but I don't want a cult hit and games like that tend to be only that. Ahh - someone shoot me - again. Q.Q
BANG!!! |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2013.01.12 01:10:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:I stopped testing and started trolling the moment CCP started listening to the scrubs and taking all the skill out of the game. At least its an honest answer lol
but then I went to jail, and had to become a reformed forum poster. |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis
300
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Posted - 2013.01.12 01:13:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:xprotoman23 wrote:I stopped testing and started trolling the moment CCP started listening to the scrubs and taking all the skill out of the game. At least its an honest answer lol but then I went to jail, and had to become a reformed forum poster. Did you find Jesus too?
I heard he's great at Hide N' Seek. |
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Frodaris Sortana 2100058545
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
43
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Posted - 2013.01.12 05:23:00 -
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Well this thread got derailed by bullkitten forum drama real quick, didn't it?
For the record, I have never once trolled or insulted any member of the Imperfects, or any other player for that matter.
Oh, and the OB event on Saturday sounds like good fun, I'll join in if I can. :D |
Imp Smash
On The Brink
51
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Posted - 2013.01.12 05:34:00 -
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Regardless of ANYTHING this looks like a good test that will benefit Dust. I will strive to be there myself. |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
462
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Posted - 2013.01.12 06:08:00 -
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PFBHz will be there and to add my personal opinion most of the imperfects are good people that happen to troll the forum now and then.
At least they can back up the smack they talk |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
893
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Posted - 2013.01.12 18:06:00 -
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SYSTEM is IKOSKIO |
Ludwig Van Beatdropin
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
195
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Posted - 2013.01.14 14:30:00 -
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slap26 wrote:PFBHz will be there and to add my personal opinion most of the imperfects are good people that happen to troll the forum now and then.
At least they can back up the smack they talk
I have a quad personality, I have fights with myself all the time. |
METR0 THE DESTR0YER
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
76
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Posted - 2013.01.14 14:33:00 -
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Ludwig Van Beatdropin wrote:slap26 wrote:PFBHz will be there and to add my personal opinion most of the imperfects are good people that happen to troll the forum now and then.
At least they can back up the smack they talk I have a quad personality, I have fights with myself all the time.
He's not lying either, I have seen It, He beats himself up regularly. |
HeadShotN AnD StrafeN
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2013.01.14 14:35:00 -
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METR0 THE DESTR0YER wrote:Ludwig Van Beatdropin wrote:slap26 wrote:PFBHz will be there and to add my personal opinion most of the imperfects are good people that happen to troll the forum now and then.
At least they can back up the smack they talk I have a quad personality, I have fights with myself all the time. He's not lying either, I have seen It, He beats himself up regularly.
True story, I was there. |
XxMETROxX
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.14 14:35:00 -
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HeadShotN AnD StrafeN wrote:METR0 THE DESTR0YER wrote:Ludwig Van Beatdropin wrote:slap26 wrote:PFBHz will be there and to add my personal opinion most of the imperfects are good people that happen to troll the forum now and then.
At least they can back up the smack they talk I have a quad personality, I have fights with myself all the time. He's not lying either, I have seen It, He beats himself up regularly. True story, I was there.
Me too. |
Yay Adski
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
133
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Posted - 2013.01.14 14:49:00 -
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This is about to get interesting |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
893
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Posted - 2013.01.14 15:48:00 -
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Wow, I actually got a chance to read through this thread. Good times.
Back to the topic:
The "Dust OB" guys are planning on having another event this weekend since we had gotten several request from EVE corps that weren't able to get themselves prepped for FW in time. I'm hoping these will actually get bigger. This will also be one of the last Orbital Events happening before the open beta starts, so now is the time to get used to coordinating with EVE pilots before the rush of new folks. I'll be discussing this weeks prizes with the folks running the event and see if we can't up the ante. |
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