Why are people that can afford to play more than 2 hours a day being held back by terrible players that are only on 1 hour on a sunday?

30 Day Active Boosters are Officially Worthless now

I hit my daily cap well under 2 hours. Now I get 75 SP per match. This is HORRIBLE! My booster is only good for 2 hours instead of a full 24. I am now wasting my CASH on a broken game mechanic. I want my Booster Deactivated or Reset until this is fixed.
If this is not fixed, I would greatly appreciate some way to refund my Merc Pack as Nothing is of any value to me anymore. None of it.

I have 5 of them...

Thanks CCP, you're a real pal.

your kinda dumb to buy 5 merc packs ....

your kinda dumb to buy 5 merc packs ....

I hit my daily cap well under 2 hours. Now I get 75 SP per match. This is HORRIBLE! My booster is only good for 2 hours instead of a full 24. I am now wasting my CASH on a broken game mechanic. I want my Booster Deactivated or Reset until this is fixed.
If this is not fixed, I would greatly appreciate some way to refund my Merc Pack as Nothing is of any value to me anymore. None of it.

Okay the 30 day booster itself may be a waste, it may not given that the only way to get them is the merc pack and the cost of the merc pack is doubled in value by the 40K AUR you get plus all the other goodies.

But just to clarify the daily cap is 27,200/day and 40,800/day with active booster

Passive boost is 24,000/day and 36,000 with passive booster.

Proof
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=457688#post457688

and

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=458111#post458111

Its the same thread just figured ill save you the trouble of scrolling down 3 post since ppl are weird and will read only the first one and not look at the second one otherwise.


So having boosters does in fact increase the amount of SP you can earn in a day.

As to the cost of a 30 day booster well we dont know what it is in AURUM but look at this way.

A 1 day booster costs 2K AUR, 3 day costs 3,500 and 7 day cost 7K.

There isnt a hourly booster so given your options the most economical booster to purchase is the 7 day. Meaning a month will cost you 28K AUR= $12 US. For $19.99 US you get 40K AUR(5 7day booster and 5k AUR leftover btw) which is face value PLUS a 30 day booster and FUSED LOCUS NADEs and other stuff which you can probably sell on the secondary market when it hits. So in essence a single merc pack can net you 2months and 1 7day worth of boosters at a 25% discount and net you additional swag that you can later use or sell.

So even though you may feel they are worthless given the alternative choice of buying 1 day or 7 day boosters, they are not inherently worthless, oh also by the same logic a 30 day booster is also worhtless after 2-4 days if you hit the 0 mark when it was weekly cap, so really the argument doesnt hold much validity if that is your reference point for "worth."


Also given that SP gain only really matter for the first 4-5M SP im not saying that its P2W but it is pay to get ahead, if only for the short term but in the long term it is not P2W.

Edit- Before anyone say oh you trust CCP's numbers they lied to us about daily cap when chromosome hit, well tell you what prove to me that you have earned more than 51,200 SP in a day without any boosters and ill eat my words. But you will need to time that very carefully off the daily server maintainence, so it would be easier to prove that you earned more than 27,200 without active boost simpy create a new character spend as much of the SP you start with if you can, 0 it out if possible and then see what your final SP is when you first starting reaching 50 SP.

For a 30 day booster, you get a total of 720hours of active boost. However with the cap being hit in 2-3hours, you are getting between 60-90hours of active booster from said booster. So essentially your 30 boosters is 88% wasted on either not playing, or already hitting the cap and get 75SP.

i agree that 30day or even week is worthless after ~3days in old SP system; but in those 3 days you play more then 6 hours. So you still get more out of it. It is just hard to swallow that 88% of my 30 day booster is wasted; thus im actually loosing a bit of $$ for the booster

If you play every day and reach the cap, then what is the difference between now and how it was before, when you could play for 2-3 days and reach the cap? (which would mean 4-5 days of the week were pure loss).

I was pretty sure boosters give you more total SP per day. Not just makes you hit your cap faster. If it just doubles your SP per match and doesn't add to the total pool then yes it is a waste.

Depending on how you spend aurum, It works out cheaper than regular aurum packs.

No, it gives you a 50% boost, from ~27K to ~40K SP. You get it in about the same amount of time though since your battle results have the boost added in. You cannot hit your cap faster as the cap moves by the same amount you gain SP in battles.

Since the Merc Pack provides several useful items it isn't all that bad to me.
For the same amount of cash that gets you 40K Aur you get 40K Aur
And
The Elite AR, Toxin SMG and some other items.
At the bottom of the list is a 30 day Booster, which you can consider gravy.
Not necessarily gravy you actually like, unfortunately.

If you stick to it, I won't, and play every day the booster is like getting two weeks of SP added to your total. You play the same amount of time but you get ~1.2M SP vs ~800K SP over 30 days. Early on, 400K can move a lot of lower level skills off of level 0. Some are good even.

Now, if you are talking about the 7 day version I have no idea why someone would use that. Four weeks of that cost $14US and another Merc Pack cost $20US. Which means you can upgrade your second character with some of the goodies and not worry about splitting them between the two. And you have another 30-day boost which you can activate later, for your second character or not at all.

You also have enough AUR to buy four weeks of Passive Boost.
Which is 756K over 28 days. With 378K from the Boost. For a total of 1.1K SP.

Many of the Skill items require a bucket of cash. Drop Suit skills are 475K ISK. Even with the SP capped you can still make 1M ISK for an evening's play. Assuming you start in the beginning of matches more than you don't I suspect.

It just depends on how you want to value your time and your money.

Because if you can't play every day, say only the weekend, or only one day a week, the cap you have is very very much smaller than if you blew your weekly cap all in one day!

so we are paying for a larger SP cap now? Is that really what the active booster is? That sounds more like a Flat rate 1 time chunk. there should be No SP cap. they need to get the numbers right so each battle is earning a relative number. Why should my first game of the day give me 5k sp and the last game of the day give me 50? Get rid of any kind of SP cap, daily/weekly/monthly. Who cares if some tweeker snorts a rail of high octane meth and plays the game for 200 hours straight, I applaud his dedication and he should be rightfully rewarded.

Why are people that can afford to play more than 2 hours a day being held back by terrible players that are only on 1 hour on a sunday?

Wake up!

Why are people that can afford to play more than 2 hours a day being held back by terrible players that are only on 1 hour on a sunday?

it's those fkn vocal casuals man they successfully railroad every game released, them and their stupid so called real lives need to gtfo of gaming already and go back to farmville

"increases the rate at which you gain points" When did the word "Rate" become synonymous with "Cap"

I hit my daily cap well under 2 hours. Now I get 75 SP per match. This is HORRIBLE! My booster is only good for 2 hours instead of a full 24. I am now wasting my CASH on a broken game mechanic. I want my Booster Deactivated or Reset until this is fixed.
If this is not fixed, I would greatly appreciate some way to refund my Merc Pack as Nothing is of any value to me anymore. None of it.

I hit my daily cap well under 2 hours. Now I get 75 SP per match. This is HORRIBLE! My booster is only good for 2 hours instead of a full 24. I am now wasting my CASH on a broken game mechanic. I want my Booster Deactivated or Reset until this is fixed.
If this is not fixed, I would greatly appreciate some way to refund my Merc Pack as Nothing is of any value to me anymore. None of it.

For a 30 day booster, you get a total of 720hours of active boost. However with the cap being hit in 2-3hours, you are getting between 60-90hours of active booster from said booster. So essentially your 30 boosters is 88% wasted on either not playing, or already hitting the cap and get 75SP.

I hit my daily cap well under 2 hours. Now I get 75 SP per match. This is HORRIBLE! My booster is only good for 2 hours instead of a full 24. I am now wasting my CASH on a broken game mechanic. I want my Booster Deactivated or Reset until this is fixed.
If this is not fixed, I would greatly appreciate some way to refund my Merc Pack as Nothing is of any value to me anymore. None of it.

#3 Posted: 2013.01.11 01:57 | Report
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Why are people that can afford to play more than 2 hours a day being held back by terrible players that are only on 1 hour on a sunday?

I hit my daily cap well under 2 hours. Now I get 75 SP per match. This is HORRIBLE! My booster is only good for 2 hours instead of a full 24. I am now wasting my CASH on a broken game mechanic. I want my Booster Deactivated or Reset until this is fixed.
If this is not fixed, I would greatly appreciate some way to refund my Merc Pack as Nothing is of any value to me anymore. None of it.

The SP gains don't even reflect if you are a good player. People going 13/2 are earning the same sp as people going 0/9.

Don't put me on the boat with any of those clowns that asked for any kind of cap. Not to mention you are off topic. This thread has no concerns with iSk earned or lost. This is strictly about balanced SP gain from match to match and figuring out how to fix the 30 day active booster, or how to get it refunded.

This was supposedly the final character wipe , we are not being reimbursed for anything lost. If I knew there was another wipe with items reset, I wouldn't be voiceing my concerns. Now my 30 day boosters with a real world value of $15 dollars each are worthless. I'm out $45 dollars that I spent to support this game 6 month ago. The stats and environment of this game have drastically degraded to the point I am losing faith and interest in supporting it. If the game isn't released yet, then there shouldn't be a problem refunding my merc packs. Fix SP gain per battle or gimme my money back and I'll be on my way.

Active SP cap without booster 27,200/day

Active SP cap with booster/day 40,800/day

Passive SP 24,000/day

Passive SP with booster 36,000

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=457688#post457688

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=458111#post458111

The description of the boosters are now not correct anymore, they dont merely allow you to gain SP at a 1.5X multiplier they ALSO RAISE YOUR CAP by 50%.

190,400 Active SP gain/week without booster

285,600 Active SP gain/week with booster

168,000 Passive SP/week without booster

252,000 Passive SP/week with booster

358,400/week without booster vs 537,600 SP with both active and passive booster.

I'll let you do the monthly calculation and see the difference.



F it here they are since it is HUGE

1,433,600 vs 2,150,400(very close to a proto suit FYI)(can achieve this with $19.99 merc pack 30day booster + 4wk of passive booster and still have 12K AUR leftover) this is the extremes no boosters vs both boosters on..

A more likely number is you dont use passive booster is

1,433,600 vs 1,814,400. no booster vs only active booster(assuming you stop playing the moment you hit cap and dont play any addition 50 vs 75 SP matches, which really does add up over the course of a month depending on volume of gameplay time you spend.

A $19.99 merc pack gives you enough to boost both active and passive SP at a substantially lower cost than purchasing 7day active booster(the cheapest per daily value)

Diminishing returns only gave more time spent playing, but was still the same amount. You just reach it much faster now due to it being linear.

If a player plays each day and the total SP cap hasn't changed, then the 30-day boosters worth is identical to what it was before the new SP system was introduced.

I reached my daily cap today, went ahead and used my 7 day active booster. Next match? 75 SP.
read: Does not increase the cap after you've used it all up.

All I'm trying to say is spread the dam points out.

Start a simple base of let's say 500sp for participating in the battle. Now let's start adding points for in battle actions, simple numbers. 25sp for a kill, 10sp for an assist 10sp for a revive. etc. SP Gain stays relative from match to match. Now achieving 1500sp per match will not be an easy task. People can play more than 15 matches and still get rewarded SP for playing and we don't earn more sp in a day than CCP wants. Are you grasping my idea yet? Help me out here.

@Gunner

THANK YOU!!!!!!

I reached my daily cap today, went ahead and used my 7 day active booster. Next match? 75 SP.
read: Does not increase the cap after you've used it all up.

AM I missing somthing here? By having your 30 day booster on (persuming you cap out each day) you get 408k extra SP a month, Seems good to me.

The SP gains don't even reflect if you are a good player. People going 13/2 are earning the same sp as people going 0/9.

your kinda dumb to buy 5 merc packs ....

Why Don't we skill our characters in Dust 514 like the EvE characters? Investing Actual time into a skill? Get rid of SP active gains, and now WP is used to gauge your battle effectiveness. Get rid of the Boosters and refund in Aurum. How about that idea?