I don't like HTFU on the principle that it's a spiteful thing to say - the assumption is that the target of the comment is soft and "unworthy". I don't think anyone needs to "HTFU", but rather the people who feel the need to use such hasty and degrading terms need to "GTFU".

G = Grow

You can argue that it's not all you like, the bottom line is that people are going to be offended by saying such a thing, and if you don't know that or can't understand why, well I'm afraid ignorance is no defence for ignorance or general dickiness.

So... it's not a problem, but CCP has acknowledged it's a problem and has constantly been improving the problem... that isn't a problem. You seem to be playing both sides of the fence here. Either it is a problem, criticism is valid, but it's getting better... or it isn't a problem, and they need to HTFU. But the two are pretty mutually exclusive. Otherwise it's pretty silly to tell someone to HTFU for pointing out an acknowledged issue.

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I don't like HTFU on the principle that it's a spiteful thing to say - the assumption is that the target of the comment is soft and "unworthy". I don't think anyone needs to "HTFU", but rather the people who feel the need to use such hasty and degrading terms need to "GTFU".

G = Grow

You can argue that it's not all you like, the bottom line is that people are going to be offended by saying such a thing, and if you don't know that or can't understand why, well I'm afraid ignorance is no defence for ignorance or general dickiness.

It isn't a severe problem, because there are workarounds for it in place already, but they're still trying to fix the remaining minor issues with the system.

"HTFU" is a valid response for the claims that it's "unfair" to be spawn-camped, because there's already a way to avoid that, and because everyone has the same "unfair" problem to deal with, which negates the claim completely.

It isn't a severe problem, because there are workarounds for it in place already, but they're still trying to fix the remaining minor issues with the system.

"HTFU" is a valid response for the claims that it's "unfair" to be spawn-camped, because there's already a way to avoid that, and because everyone has the same "unfair" problem to deal with, which negates the claim completely.

So your whole complaint was over semantics? Why not just acknowledge that it is a problem, it's being worked on, and move on?

At the start of just about every match I've been in today, I've been spawned, right at the start, in front of a stack of enemies. Sometimes I escape, sometimes enemies get spawned in front of me, but most of the time, I die. All within the first 10-30 seconds. Tell me, where was my opportunity for tis "workaround" you speak of?

HTFU is never a valid response, it's rude, and childish, and unconstructive. It's also antagonistic - how on earth do you expect someone to respond to that? "Oh sorry sir, I do now realise that I'm a softcock and need to HTFU, although my problem still remains completely unresolved within the simplicity of such a broad statement, I guess I'll just have to rethink all my core values and adjust to suit your standards of ability."

Yeah, like that's gonna happen.

The sheer fact that it's a "workaround" and not a complete solution should tell you that it's not perfect and that there's still a need for work to be done on the systems currently in place. For the record, while it's sometimes REALLY bad, the worst moments are MUCH fewer than they used to be, even compared with Codex, and especially when compared with some previous builds.


As I said in my previous post, and as I tried to explain at first, "HTFU" isn't an insulting term. It's advice about how the game developers intend for it to be played. The game universe is MEANT to be harsh and brutal, and you're meant to have to live with the consequences. When things are going wrong, for the most part, you just have to deal with it.


You're right. Nobody will appreciate the concept. Because EVE Online hasn't lasted 9 years with almost exactly that attitude.

When will spawning be fixed so we don't appear alone in front of a group of six people armed with HMGs and die instantly?

+1

I manage to randomly spawn into a hail of HMG bullets, 3 times in a row; even trying to run is not an option, as I was dead-on-arrival Every Single Time.

Based on impressions from last night, even perfectly random spawning would have resulted in better spawns than the current system.

@CCP: I would suggest either completely random spawning, or using a weighted map (or heat map) to spawn players relatively closer to blue dots than to red ones.

Why is it always an HMG that's killing people who spawn? Are the HMG user mapping out the location of every possible spawn point?

It only seems that way

Random spawns is a particular problem to ambush, one of the reasons I don't play it too much. Spawns on skirmish are in a much better place due to the number of controllable objectives and base spawns. If you chose to spawn on a flashy objective or one you've just died near its your decision. The random spawn near the objective is much better than the old one.

I'll leave red lining for another discussion.

Was no one on your team using drop uplinks?

I totally agree. This is why I don't often play ambush without a squad.
It's much less of a problem on Skirmish. Worst case scenario you can spawn in the base or on the MCC. Getting redlined can be a slight problem, but at least with that you get the opportunity to play your way out of it. I've seen teams concentration so hard on trying to redline us that once we managed to sneak past their perimeter, we had no obstacle taking a few objectives.

TLDR;

The spawn system needs some work but you are making it worse with your gameplay.

Stop dieing. You will need to spawn much less.

Look around and move constantly especially when you spawn in. The number of people I shoot in the side/back of the head because of their poor mobility and tactical sense is comedic.

Stop filling the forums with crying. There are only some many bits on the internets and you have used yours up.

The spawn mechanic is fixed. If you spawn into a situation like the one you explained in the OP, then you have alternate avenues to spawn in. In other shooters you don't really have this option. Also you can spawn back in your camp so that you can not get killed by the enemy.

P.s. play a game through before saying something broke. One situation or bad move on your part doesn't mean it's broken just you have not found the counterattack. They give everyone the power of a god, it's up to you what you do with it.

I think we should all settle down and stay on topic :D this isn't constructive at all