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Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.12.22 10:47:00 -
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"HTFU" isn't an insult.
It isn't spiteful on a personal level.
It's part of the intended, supported ethos of New Eden, in which DUST 514 is set, alongside EVE Online. CCP themselves wrote a song about it (check the video out on YouTube). It's how their universe works, and when you're here, you're a part of that environment.
Yes, there are valid reasons for you to take offense to impolite behaviour, but within the setting of an official forum for a game which promotes "HTFU" as one of the core values instilled into their playerbase, there isn't a valid reason to call it immature and impolite.
The "problem" this thread is describing is something which everyone deals with equally, and for which there are in-built counters already in the game. It's also a problem which has been acknowledged by CCP, has been worked on and improved, and is continuing to be improved. If you aren't using the tools provided, that isn't the game's fault. If you're using the proper tools, but the enemy are still spawn camping your team, then you got outplayed. Either they found your Uplink and are camping that too, or they destroyed it to camp the other spawn locations (fixed or random) |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.12.22 11:12:00 -
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Tinodi wrote:So... it's not a problem, but CCP has acknowledged it's a problem and has constantly been improving the problem... that isn't a problem. You seem to be playing both sides of the fence here. Either it is a problem, criticism is valid, but it's getting better... or it isn't a problem, and they need to HTFU. But the two are pretty mutually exclusive. Otherwise it's pretty silly to tell someone to HTFU for pointing out an acknowledged issue.
It isn't a severe problem, because there are workarounds for it in place already, but they're still trying to fix the remaining minor issues with the system.
"HTFU" is a valid response for the claims that it's "unfair" to be spawn-camped, because there's already a way to avoid that, and because everyone has the same "unfair" problem to deal with, which negates the claim completely. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.12.22 11:25:00 -
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Tinodi wrote:So your whole complaint was over semantics? Why not just acknowledge that it is a problem, it's being worked on, and move on?
My "complaint" wasn't a complaint.
It was advice for someone who sounded like they were taking another person's "HTFU" comment far too seriously.
I think the "LTFU" comment from your previous post is probably a more helpful response to all involved (myself included, unfortunately. Consider me suitably chastised).
Also, +1 to the LTFU comment. Lastly, I don't play EVE. I was providing an explanation for the term being less about actually insulting anyone and more about emphasising that New Eden is always going to be cruel and horrible. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.12.22 11:38:00 -
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Veronika Pollard wrote:At the start of just about every match I've been in today, I've been spawned, right at the start, in front of a stack of enemies. Sometimes I escape, sometimes enemies get spawned in front of me, but most of the time, I die. All within the first 10-30 seconds. Tell me, where was my opportunity for tis "workaround" you speak of?
The sheer fact that it's a "workaround" and not a complete solution should tell you that it's not perfect and that there's still a need for work to be done on the systems currently in place. For the record, while it's sometimes REALLY bad, the worst moments are MUCH fewer than they used to be, even compared with Codex, and especially when compared with some previous builds.
Quote:HTFU is never a valid response, it's rude, and childish, and unconstructive. It's also antagonistic - how on earth do you expect someone to respond to that? "Oh sorry sir, I do now realise that I'm a softcock and need to HTFU, although my problem still remains completely unresolved within the simplicity of such a broad statement, I guess I'll just have to rethink all my core values and adjust to suit your standards of ability."
As I said in my previous post, and as I tried to explain at first, "HTFU" isn't an insulting term. It's advice about how the game developers intend for it to be played. The game universe is MEANT to be harsh and brutal, and you're meant to have to live with the consequences. When things are going wrong, for the most part, you just have to deal with it.
Quote:Yeah, like that's gonna happen.
You're right. Nobody will appreciate the concept. Because EVE Online hasn't lasted 9 years with almost exactly that attitude. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.12.24 05:34:00 -
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I think, in this particular situation, the short-term solution is "deal with it", but the long-term solution is still going to be "keep at least one thread floating around until CCP have fixed it PROPERLY.
To be fair, this HAS been improved massively as times goes on, and is distinctly better even looking at the current situation compared with Codex.
Also, I still say my "Sky Spawning" suggestion in the feedback forum would be a good way to solve the problem. |
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