Welcome to New Eden, where everyone is going to kill you, including your team.

Drop Uplinks are places where you can spawn in where ever they are dropped.

New Eden is not a nice place, and a drop uplink doesn't mean you won't get camped, since they are easy to see and camp.

Well since your an EVE player, you should be familar with this, it's called station camping.

you undock and get killed by many many people who hate you and they kill you with dreads.

wow how little you understand proper station camping.

First you can only really be camped if you don't have a jump clone, and if you don't well you are not going anywhere. Second most station campers use the station they are camping for medical clones, so they can be back in the fight in about 45 seconds.

Now to address you main complaint, if your spawning into a spot that is camped and you know it's camped, that your fault. if you don't know it's camped then your not on comms, again your fault. if you are on comms and still don't know it's camped, your team mates suck, this is their fault, but still.

If you spawn into a group of people sitting on a spawn point you better be on comms tells everyone exactly which point it is, how many people, and to not use it. Anything less and it's your fault.

If the enemy has camped you into to one point, you fail, just give it up.

wow utter failure to understand sir.

This is New Eden, this is EVE, this is Dust514. they are the same game, only with different inputs.

However, beyond that point, if your just playing ambush and using default spawn that isn't what this game is. This is a Team based game, as I said if your not on comms, it's your fault, how do you expect to find a decent group of people to play with, or a good Corp if your not gonna talk to anyone?

I do get to pick my spawn points, even in ambush, because I am on comms, even if I'm not running with my corp I'm in the team channel communicating with my team, dropping uplinks so that people have a large number of places they can spawn from. atm we have a very small number of maps, because that's not what we are testing, we are testing the game play mechanincs, and we have been playing on the same basic maps for about 4 months, we know where all the spawn points are by default, so the get camped. This issue will be fairly easily resolve once the game goes live and we have thousands of maps, memorizing the spawn patterns on that number of maps is not gonna happen so this kind of event will not likely happen.

This game is not about instant action, or grinding sp, or running up your stats, people do that because we do not yet have the meat of this game, which is taking and holding planets.

If you think I should feel bad for the way I have reacted to you, you should feel worse for coming into a game not knowing what is going on, complaining about things and making assumptions on how things should work. Then your trying to argue this isn't what it is, dude, just walk away.

So my sugestions for you sir, get on comms, you can get a cheap 10 dollar usb headset and be on comms, there is no reason other than laziness for that. then start working with your team. at that point you won't have any issues with spawning unless your team is failing you. I have seen a team of randoms roll even the best squads when they work together. shoot in april I watched groups of randoms roll over anyone that stood in front of them because they worked together, and guess what, they weren't even on comms.

Yes I'm being mean here, but guess what, you are at fault for not participating and then coming here on the forums to whine about mechanics when they are not at fault.

you do know there are such things called drop uplinks? they let you spawn where every you plant them

wow how little you understand proper station camping.

Now to address you main complaint, if your spawning into a spot that is camped and you know it's camped, that your fault. if you don't know it's camped then your not on comms, again your fault. if you are on comms and still don't know it's camped, your team mates suck, this is their fault, but still.

If you spawn into a group of people sitting on a spawn point you better be on comms tells everyone exactly which point it is, how many people, and to not use it. Anything less and it's your fault.

If the enemy has camped you into to one point, you fail, just give it up.

Well I'm sorry if you find everything offensive to you.

And if you can not afford 10 dollars for a cheap headset, then I am sorry for your situation, but at that point I should ask why you are playing Dust at all, but then you would probably find that offensive as well.

Also Zan is not trolling, it's what CCP has said several times http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q

that's a bad excuse V, and you know it.

Good on your friend for helping you out, good on you for paying them back.

I refuse to get into a "My situation" arguement with you. RL is RL but an excuse is nothing more than that.

as for dealing with people, this is a social game, your gonna have to talk to people. some of them are gonna be like zan and G, some of them are gonna be like me, some of them are gonna be "nice" their are others who will lie to your face then as soon as you trust them they will steal eventhing that isn't nailed down.

You have said you play EVE, you should know how important a community is in a CCP game, this is no different..

as to the way I talk to people, sorry, but that's not gonna change and I stand by my statements. your understanding is lacking. you could have easily made this thread completely different as an example here are two possible ways to state your OP that would completely change the tone of this thread

"I am relatively new to Dust514 and I seem to keep spawning into areas with hostiles and killed very quickly. is this a rampant issue or is there a bug in the spawning system"

"The Spawning system seems to not take into account location of hostiles in relation to the spawning point, is this a bug or an intented game mechanic."

Either one of those would have gotten the same point across without the rest of us coming to the conclusions we have.

So... it's not a problem, but CCP has acknowledged it's a problem and has constantly been improving the problem... that isn't a problem. You seem to be playing both sides of the fence here. Either it is a problem, criticism is valid, but it's getting better... or it isn't a problem, and they need to HTFU. But the two are pretty mutually exclusive. Otherwise it's pretty silly to tell someone to HTFU for pointing out an acknowledged issue.

It isn't a severe problem, because there are workarounds for it in place already, but they're still trying to fix the remaining minor issues with the system.

"HTFU" is a valid response for the claims that it's "unfair" to be spawn-camped, because there's already a way to avoid that, and because everyone has the same "unfair" problem to deal with, which negates the claim completely.

The sheer fact that it's a "workaround" and not a complete solution should tell you that it's not perfect and that there's still a need for work to be done on the systems currently in place. For the record, while it's sometimes REALLY bad, the worst moments are MUCH fewer than they used to be, even compared with Codex, and especially when compared with some previous builds.


As I said in my previous post, and as I tried to explain at first, "HTFU" isn't an insulting term. It's advice about how the game developers intend for it to be played. The game universe is MEANT to be harsh and brutal, and you're meant to have to live with the consequences. When things are going wrong, for the most part, you just have to deal with it.


You're right. Nobody will appreciate the concept. Because EVE Online hasn't lasted 9 years with almost exactly that attitude.

TLDR;

The spawn system needs some work but you are making it worse with your gameplay.

Stop dieing. You will need to spawn much less.

Look around and move constantly especially when you spawn in. The number of people I shoot in the side/back of the head because of their poor mobility and tactical sense is comedic.

Stop filling the forums with crying. There are only some many bits on the internets and you have used yours up.

Welcome to the game! Excellent point. Spawning has been buggy forever. Everyone knows it. The best CCP seems to offer at this point is for you to use uplinks (basically you choose your own future spawn point), which is better than nothing but was born out of laziness - instead of fixing a problem CCP pushes us to live with and deal with it.

As a side note, let me offer a piece of advice for the forum. Don't try to argue a point. Most ppl take threads as an opportunity to advertise themselves at your expense rather than discuss a topic. Good luck in the game!

If everybody could post like you, this forum would be a much more productive place.

Also,

I do not believe we had this problem in CODEX. It seems like since they have made the maps tighter (in ambush) that we have this issue. And, there is no random spawn points in ambush......at least not for me. I have spawned in the same spot every time on the ambush games that I have played.

And Veronika, if you would like you can apply to 3dge of D4rkness in the game and we will gladly welcome you into our corp and show you the ropes and help you out with your game/gun play.