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Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.19 04:45:00 - [1] - Quote When I started playing this build intitally this morning I thoroughly enjoyed it. The game really smooth and that way it should be if its going to be a revolutionary game. A few games into this, although I still enjoy this game, I start running into snipers and mass drivers. You got to be effing kidding me with these 2 things. I could barely get out of my spawn and I get shot by a sniper. Its bad enough getting gang banged by Alldins Surya and Kains forges, I have to run into Jim Bills MDs and scrub effing snipers. I get killed 6 times between Jim Bills MDs and scrub snipers. And these friggin gay ass snipers are not even good. They are all in the same spot. 4 of them. The max kills anyone had was 3. They werent even contributing to the game. Move onto the next game. I kid you not my team had 8 snipers. No one was takign objectives. 8 effing snipers going 2-1, 3-0, 4-3. This was the state with the enemy too. 5 snipers on their side. GTFOH! Seriously! These scrubs arent even good. Once I run and bypass all these clowns, I run into a logi squad full of mass drivers. Needless to say how that ended. Since I cant snipe for ****, I took up the mass driver. It is ridiculously easy to get kills with them. You dont even have to try too hard. Welp CCP. You pretty much effed up ARs. Now you have have 2 teams of friggin snipers sniping from across the map. You dont need to have any gun game as all you need is a mass driver. Easy kills. Can we please keep the smooth gameplay and go back to any of the older versions? And to all you effing snipers that go 2-1,3-0, 4-3;- get gun game scrubs! Just my 0.02 THISISEFFEDUP Gäó!
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears 176	Posted - 2012.12.19 04:54:00 - [2] - Quote congratulationsGäó you have adapted.... you are now one of us....
howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 448	Posted - 2012.12.19 04:57:00 - [3] - Quote Dinosaurs died. Life evolved. I have been using a mass driver almost exclusively since June. Give me a moment in the freaking sun whydoncha...
William HBonney Imperfects Negative-Feedback 318	Posted - 2012.12.19 05:00:00 - [4] - Quote Adapted...that is a clever way of saying use the most OP weapon available. The biggest problem is that ccp creates that environment. Currently mass drivers snipers and lasers are the best because they were not nerfed it just makes me a bit sad.
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears 176	Posted - 2012.12.19 05:03:00 - [5] - Quote and i used mass drivers and shotguns before this build...... now I'm op? I dont think so my kdr will attest to that sir...... it is sucky
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.12.19 05:24:00 - [6] - Quote ARs still rock, I used them mostly today and did better than I usually did. Just takes a while to readjust, so just adapt and stop whining. Mass drivers are not OP, its just in the right hands they can be supremely devastating, but they can also appear to be the most useless and underpowered weapon in the wrong hands; its all about the skill of the user. You know, its ok for ARs to not be the only effective light weapons. People shouldn't complain just because other weapons are getting used close to almost as much as the AR. Weapon use diversity is a good thing.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.12.19 05:28:00 - [7] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: ARs still rock, I used them mostly today and did better than I usually did. Just takes a while to readjust, so just adapt and stop whining. Mass drivers are not OP, its just in the right hands they can be supremely devastating, but they can also appear to be the most useless and underpowered weapon in the wrong hands; its all about the skill of the user. Mass drivers are noob tubes AR's with iron sights that obstruct my view is lol ********. CCP once again proves as to why they have no business making and FPS.
Blunt Smkr Doomheim 62	Posted - 2012.12.19 05:41:00 - [8] - Quote Mass Drives are for scrubs even when they sukd
Dreylor Thunderfall Conspiratus Immortalis 44	Posted - 2012.12.19 05:46:00 - [9] - Quote William HBonney wrote: Adapted...that is a clever way of saying use the most OP weapon available. The biggest problem is that ccp creates that environment. Currently mass drivers snipers and lasers are the best because they were not nerfed it just makes me a bit sad. Sniper Rifle damage was nerfed by roughly 10% and the changes to the sensitivity are creating a situation where those of us who sniped have to get our settings dialed in again. One reason that you saw so many snipers is probably due to the fact that people were testing out the changes to them, as they were mentioned in the patch notes. Mass Drivers have always been a nasty weapon as well, their clip size needed to be increased and they are good at their job, which is area denial. Goofy hit detection had almost ruined Mass Driver, as direct hits weren't giving out the damage they should... so they are finally getting back to working the way they were designed... Testing is what we do... we may not like the changes at first, but most of us adapt and find a way to do what it is we like to do... That's what a Beta Test is all about. Happy Testing
Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.12.19 05:55:00 - [10] - Quote Nothing changed - snipers EVERYWHERE. Was actually rather excited when I read that all Snipers were charge based, then they nixed that and we're right back to where we started. Manus Peak is absolutely terrible about it now. Snipers, Swarm Launchers and Tanks all sitting behind the redline doing absolutely nothing but stat padding, more or less. Very... very frustrating...

NovaShadowStorm The Southern Legion 63	Posted - 2012.12.19 07:38:00 - [11] - Quote Right now alot of people are frustrated with the changes to the AR suddenly finding that being unable to scope or even shoot in straight lines for more than a few seconds is making them try different weapons ones that will kill without direct hits or kill from a safe distance thus you get sniper and MD spam though what is really to be feared is a heavy rush with HMGs, was chased by a bloody pack of them one game with a logi or two behind them 5 heavies killed everyone and pretty much everything
Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.12.19 07:43:00 - [12] - Quote Dont you dare start complaining about mass drivers do you know how hard they are too use? evidently not it is not easy to get kills with them because you have to aim your shots pluss with 6 rounds in the chamber and a long reload animation mass drivers definitely take skill too use . Just learn to adapt too them and stop complaining. I've been using mass drivers for months andit is not op
Tzaar Bomba Doomheim 174	Posted - 2012.12.19 08:39:00 - [13] - Quote Mass drivers have a major power issue. Fire explosive rounds at a distance at a rapid rate. Mean while knocking a players aim off so you cant be attacked. 115 splash damage on a base model and 200 something direct damage with a 4.0 radius. Yea, you got skill. You dont even have to hit your target. Mainline snipers are irritating bur essential at times. Lasers need a range nerf.
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.12.19 08:51:00 - [14] - Quote Tzaar Bomba wrote: Mean while knocking a players aim off i think they've toned this down alot. before getting near where one hit the ground my screen would jump up about 40% i was facing some of my Imps earlier, Tiel and Jim Bill and it wasn't jerking my screen around, if its there, i barely notice it now, which is a good thing. i hated having my aim messed up horribly, to me it feels tolerable now. i've only played a few games tonight though so hopefully tomorrow i still feel mass drivers aren't so bad lol
Django Quik R.I.f.t 219	Posted - 2012.12.19 09:46:00 - [15] - Quote MDs are definitely not OP. They are not easy to aim, especially at a distance and it's difficult to get an actual kill, rather than take out a large portion of someone's HP and only getting an assist to show for it - this more often than not is what happens, as it's next to impossible to get direct hits with them.
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 338	Posted - 2012.12.19 12:42:00 - [16] - Quote I get a lot of assists with my md I only score a kill once in blue moon laser rifles need damage nerff or a range. Just one or the other. Sniper rifles need to be removed from the game or have their one shoot removed. I watch one guy yesterday day 5 players in seconds before most even new what was going on :-(
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.19 12:54:00 - [17] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Mass drivers are noob tubes AR's with iron sights that obstruct my view is lol ********. This. To all those frigging users that use MDs;- you think it takes skill to use them? Its a no skill weapon. I may as well go back to COD, and get the unlimited ammo skill and use a effing grenade launcher. Catering to the new genre of FPS my royal arse!
Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.12.19 13:15:00 - [18] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: Mass drivers are noob tubes AR's with iron sights that obstruct my view is lol ********. This. To all those frigging users that use MDs;- you think it takes skill to use them? Its a no skill weapon. I may as well go back to COD, and get the unlimited ammo skill and use a effing grenade launcher. Catering to the new genre of FPS my royal arse! lmao the only reason you ar bums are complaining about mass drivers is because your precious ars got iron sights quit complaining we didnt complain when ars had scopes and they were shooting ppl across the map easily with no skill in fact you ar people were not complaining about mass drivers then so why complain about them now? makes no sense edit: you guys are just mad that you no longer have the advanatage
Vermaak Kuvakei Doomheim 88	Posted - 2012.12.19 13:30:00 - [19] - Quote So apparently you whine just as much on the forums as you do in game, all I heard was "protect me, protect me" and "don't shoot that guy, shoot the one shooting me" Just so you guys know what kind of person b*tches about the mass driver Edit: referring to sentient
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 338	Posted - 2012.12.19 13:36:00 - [20] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: Mass drivers are noob tubes AR's with iron sights that obstruct my view is lol ********. This. To all those frigging users that use MDs;- you think it takes skill to use them? Its a no skill weapon. I may as well go back to COD, and get the unlimited ammo skill and use a effing grenade launcher. Catering to the new genre of FPS my royal arse! Please use a mass driver and then get back me this is so far removed from what happens I doubt u even play the game at the moment

Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.19 14:03:00 - [21] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Please use a mass driver and then get back me this is so far removed from what happens I doubt u even play the game at the moment Using it and loving it. Noob tube of the century. I dont even have to try hard. LOL @ doubt i even play the game at the moment. Assumptions is the mother of all fuk ups son!
Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.12.19 14:09:00 - [22] - Quote next this dude gonna complain about laser rifles and scrambler pistols
Gunner Visari Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2012.12.19 14:26:00 - [23] - Quote Mass drivers are fine until you spec into them and their get their proficiency up with the added blast radius from MD operation with the damage increase from MD proficiency they do indeed become a bit more menacing. I run a logi and i specifically didn't want to skill into AR because as a logibro my job isn't to kill it's to provide support and with only one weapon slot the MD is the only weapon that can allow me to do damage at multiple ranges as opposed to shotty, smg, laser. I still create SMG/Shotty variants for close range support which i use more right now since my build is new. However there isn't a militia variant or a militia BPO "yet" so there at least is a bit of cost to them but not much. I think a good solution to all the spamming is to create a team limit for snipers, forge, hmg, MD and laser like 2-4 per team or better yet 1 per squad. This will create a greater level of balancing with weaponry without having to change any of weapon attributes. I think limiting it to squad would be best, this way you arent having to run into entire organized teams spamming a particular weapon. I find this approach works best because most shooters i play that have loadouts this is what often causes the imbalance it isn't one solitary user of a weapon but the force multiplier effect you get when multiple people use them, the other way shooters try to balance this out is they way U2 or Halo 2 had it where there was a standard loadout for everyone and "power" weapons needed to be picked up on the map which required map control. Clearly we don't want that. Another way for this to be balanced is if there was a build requirement to these "power weapons" that required EVE/Corp support so you couldnt get them without some well funded "sugar daddies" or better yet drop them from orbit upon request with a cooldown until you can receive another one. Point is there are a lot of ways to balance weaponry in this game without having to buff/nerf weapon attributes, in fact in every shooter i have played every time a dev "balances" one weapon the community moves on and finds the next weapon that is thier "swiss army knife" creating a perpetual cycle of imbalance until everyone who isn't a diehard fan of the game just gives up quits and moves on to the next "oasis" in hopes of finding water.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2012.12.19 14:27:00 - [24] - Quote I'm thoroughly enjoying the Mass Driver now that its shells actually explode the majority of the time. (They still fall through the map when shooting at certain angles down shallow slopes, though.) The reloading animation obscures your vision something fierce, though.
Jaiden Longshot Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 216	Posted - 2012.12.19 14:37:00 - [25] - Quote Fortunately or unfortunately, however you want to look at it, AR's were simply "next in line". Mass Drivers, Sniper Rifles, and Laser Rifles.....Guess what? Once testers have a whole month to QQ about those weapons......You're next! Enjoy your days in the sun and try not to rub it in too much the AR guys because, mark my words, it will be your turn soon enough. The bottom line is nobody likes to have their weapon of choice nerf'd in some way. Not only did higher end AR's take a hit in DPS but ADS is completely different now and recoil was bumped up. That's a lot for one pass on a weapon class. Consider if your Mass Driver had a major reticle change, they nerf'd your splash damage, added a ton of recoil, and you just spent a mil SP on skilling up so that you could use the next variant only to find the difference between the two is now negligible. CCP has a history of over nerfing and then scaling it back a bit. Personally, I just found another weapon option....and though I might not like it much, I like the fact that the game performs 100% better and I'll adapt until my preferred weapons get tuned back a little or I'll just get better using something else.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2012.12.19 14:48:00 - [26] - Quote When did ARs have scopes and were shooting people from across the map? Must have been an earlier build I was in because its obvious that your not talking about the last builds ARs. The big problem with ARs now is quite simple. Without any good ADS their range means nothing. Everyone I have seen using an AR engages enemies just slightly beyond SMG range. With Iron sights you cant really engage an enemy further than that. I dont mind the recoil it is definitely manageable but the sights make it such that anyone using a duvolle is just wasting their money. The new Exile ARs have almost the same accuracy and damage as the duvolle. As others have said the main difference with proto is being able to engage further out but this isnt possible with the new iron sights. The burst fire ARs are definitely where its at for ARs this build. Recoil is manageable, shots are fast and accurate, you have an actual sight not the stupid irons so you can engage enemies at further distances allowing you to take more advantage of your increased range with proto guns. MDs are crazy now. They did good damage before and a good user could kill someone with a MD. Now it seems like they are everywhere and it only takes most MDs I have seen 3 shots near me to knock out my 409 sheilds....leaving them ?3? shots to take out my 125 armor (which they do better damage against). I thought MDs were good before they went and buffed them. Now with the buff they are amazing....maybe not for long range encounters but most ARs cant engage at the longer ranges their guns allow anyway (due to reasons as stated above). This means that MDs definitely get the advantage over ARs in their usefulness range. SMGs are actually a good weapon now. They dont miss half of their bullets anymore when you fire the gun. Before they would go so crazy that even at point blank range you were missing a whole lot. Now they eat up enemies at close range but have a severe drop off beyond that........this is good and a very good change that CCP did. Lasers are going to be the go to weapon now for everything other than CQC. You still have a sight which allows you to aim. I have always thought lasers were extremely powerful.........a mere sweep across my clone will easily kill 209 shields and 30 armor. Lasers dont even require aim just charge it up and use it like a giant light saber......eats through enemies like crazy. Now the ARs have no way to take them on at range (unless you use burst or tac). Not saying it was smart before but now its just not even possible unless the laser user is just completely oblivious to anything in this game. I thought snipers were supposed to get a charge shot for all of them but this does not seem to be the case??? Did they back off on this because there needs to be something other than the point and click insta win button they get....like travel time or charge or bullet drop. Something that makes it harder to pick up a sniper rifle and do well with it. The only reason snipers die right now is because there are about as many snipers on the other team and they just sit there and pick eachother off as well as players actually going to objectives. Just seems weird to me that more than half of the team would be snipers.......
Denak Kalamari CrimeWave Syndicate 80	Posted - 2012.12.19 15:08:00 - [27] - Quote To address this thing briefly, I do not think the mass driver is op. Sure, it can be deadly in the right hands, but so is every other weapon from shotgun to scrambler pistol. You can call me whatever you want, but that's how I think. And to steadyhand and Nstomper: Insulting others isn't the way to win an argument. You make a counter-argument to defend your point, not call the person a whiner, is just scared of losing his advantage or whatever. You are just as bad as them, so grow up and stop acting like a brat.
Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.12.19 15:17:00 - [28] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: To address this thing briefly, I do not think the mass driver is op. Sure, it can be deadly in the right hands, but so is every other weapon from shotgun to scrambler pistol. You can call me whatever you want, but that's how I think. And to steadyhand and Nstomper: Insulting others isn't the way to win an argument. You make a counter-argument to defend your point, not call the person a whiner, is just scared of losing his advantage or whatever. You are just as bad as them, so grow up and stop acting like a brat. would pick mine and steadyhand's comments out of nowhere whatever though
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 338	Posted - 2012.12.19 15:29:00 - [29] - Quote Im not gunna lie I was bored at work :-P just disagreed with his whole point :-P
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.12.19 15:45:00 - [30] - Quote Nstomper wrote: next this dude gonna complain about laser rifles and scrambler pistols I use all weapons except for sniper rifles. Most snipers out in this game are nothing but scrubs. I use all weapons and have loadouts for all weapons. MDs right now are being horribly missused.



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