ARs still rock, I used them mostly today and did better than I usually did. Just takes a while to readjust, so just adapt and stop whining.
Mass drivers are not OP, its just in the right hands they can be supremely devastating, but they can also appear to be the most useless and underpowered weapon in the wrong hands; its all about the skill of the user.

Adapted...that is a clever way of saying use the most OP weapon available. The biggest problem is that ccp creates that environment. Currently mass drivers snipers and lasers are the best because they were not nerfed it just makes me a bit sad.

Mean while knocking a players aim off

Mass drivers are noob tubes AR's with iron sights that obstruct my view is lol ********.

This. To all those frigging users that use MDs;- you think it takes skill to use them? Its a no skill weapon. I may as well go back to COD, and get the unlimited ammo skill and use a effing grenade launcher.

Catering to the new genre of FPS my royal arse!

This. To all those frigging users that use MDs;- you think it takes skill to use them? Its a no skill weapon. I may as well go back to COD, and get the unlimited ammo skill and use a effing grenade launcher.

Catering to the new genre of FPS my royal arse!

Please use a mass driver and then get back me this is so far removed from what happens I doubt u even play the game at the moment

To address this thing briefly, I do not think the mass driver is op. Sure, it can be deadly in the right hands, but so is every other weapon from shotgun to scrambler pistol. You can call me whatever you want, but that's how I think. And to steadyhand and Nstomper:

Insulting others isn't the way to win an argument. You make a counter-argument to defend your point, not call the person a whiner, is just scared of losing his advantage or whatever. You are just as bad as them, so grow up and stop acting like a brat.

next this dude gonna complain about laser rifles and scrambler pistols

I like the fact that the game performs 100% better and I'll adapt until my preferred weapons get tuned back a little or I'll just get better using something else.

When I started playing this build intitally this morning I thoroughly enjoyed it. The game really smooth and that way it should be if its going to be a revolutionary game. A few games into this, although I still enjoy this game, I start running into snipers and mass drivers.

You got to be effing kidding me with these 2 things. I could barely get out of my spawn and I get shot by a sniper. Its bad enough getting gang banged by Alldins Surya and Kains forges, I have to run into Jim Bills MDs and scrub effing snipers. I get killed 6 times between Jim Bills MDs and scrub snipers. And these friggin gay ass snipers are not even good. They are all in the same spot. 4 of them. The max kills anyone had was 3. They werent even contributing to the game.

Move onto the next game. I kid you not my team had 8 snipers. No one was takign objectives. 8 effing snipers going 2-1, 3-0, 4-3. This was the state with the enemy too. 5 snipers on their side. GTFOH! Seriously! These scrubs arent even good. Once I run and bypass all these clowns, I run into a logi squad full of mass drivers. Needless to say how that ended.

Since I cant snipe for ****, I took up the mass driver. It is ridiculously easy to get kills with them. You dont even have to try too hard.

Welp CCP. You pretty much effed up ARs. Now you have have 2 teams of friggin snipers sniping from across the map. You dont need to have any gun game as all you need is a mass driver. Easy kills.

Can we please keep the smooth gameplay and go back to any of the older versions?

And to all you effing snipers that go 2-1,3-0, 4-3;- get gun game scrubs!

Just my 0.02 THISISEFFEDUP Gäó!

The game performing without lags or frame rates issues is the only saving grace right now. All the skimish maps I see are so sniper friendly. All these scrubs do is climb up the topmost tower and take potshots over there. I cant tell you number of times I have climbed up those towers and shot them in their heads.

And now you find MD logis just running arround in a bunch. Four friggin MDs at the same time on you is a no win situation. For crying out loud this moring I fuked up some of the best heavies in the game using my Tsunami. There were a bunch of clowns hacking an objective. I got 3 of them with 2 shots.

MDs are supposed to be AOD not godly in everyones hands.

I'd probably be looking at lazors right now.

I think the problem is people don't know how to aim with iron sights.... I have no problem with the new AR. You actually have to adjust for recoil and fire in bursts instead of just "holding down the trigger"

Lets take the example above, it took 3 shots from the MD to take out 403 shields. An AR user will normally kill a person in the time it takes to shoot those three shells. Those 3 shells took probably 5-7 seconds to shoot, they also then needed a reload if it was breach variant, based on dmg I assume thats the case. An AR user can kill someone with 3-5 seconds of accurate fire.

ARs have a dps rate far greater than the MD. The MD shoots slow and is very inaccurate. Its shells can strike right next to someone and will do only a fraction of the dmg you expect. The stats of impact and blast are way off. I think it scales significantly with proximity to blast.

Its a rare day that a MD kills someone single handed. Its likely they only got the final blow. If you think its OP....then go use it.

Lets talk about weapon roles
As far as effective range of AR...its perfect now. Laser should be killing you from long range. If you run behind cover and a MD kills you before you can get your shield recharged, that makes sense because its area of denial weapon. Snipers should be hiding on hill tops as its not possible to use that weapon any other way.

And now you find MD logis just running arround in a bunch. Four friggin MDs at the same time on you is a no win situation. For crying out loud this moring I fuked up some of the best heavies in the game using my Tsunami. There were a bunch of clowns hacking an objective. I got 3 of them with 2 shots.

MDs are supposed to be AOD not godly in everyones hands.

o/ Iggy

Take a step back and picture what you are saying with the maps we currently play.

Think of a bowl with snipers all along the edge of the bowl in an elevated position and now mix in MD users and AR users in the middle of the bowl. No take into account that AR's not only had a huge change in visual reference but also in damage between variations of those weapons, and now add a significant amount fo recoil.

Who do you think comes out on the losing end of that scenario more often than not


IMO, too much at once....but what do I know. What I'm afraid of now is a good portion of the community getting into MD's and laser rifles and we certainly don't need anymore snipers. In some respects the AR could be rendered useless by a good laser rifle fit and some SMG skills for the laser dead zone.

Are you complaining about teamwork? Four against one should be a losing proposition.
The solution is not to solo a team. One MD will also fail against four AR users.

MD's haven't changed outside of a slight clip size buff. They are temporarily more popular due to abandonment of the AR, but most of those new users don't yet know that its play style is very different and it isn't a direct replacement for the AR.

The MD is a situational weapon that isn't very good one on one. There are times it works well and times it sucks to be holding. It takes experience to learn the arc and the art of leading long shots. That's the definition of a balance weapon.

Are you complaining about teamwork? Four against one should be a losing proposition.
The solution is not to solo a team. One MD will also fail against four AR users.

MD's haven't changed outside of a slight clip size buff. They are temporarily more popular due to abandonment of the AR, but most of those new users don't yet know that its play style is very different and it isn't a direct replacement for the AR.

The MD is a situational weapon that isn't very good one on one. There are times it works well and times it sucks to be holding. It takes experience to learn the arc and the art of leading long shots. That's the definition of a balance weapon.

Dude! Lets not even talk about team work here. You clearly dont know what you are talking about. Take any skilled player, they should be able to handle more than one player at a time. 4 players are nothing if you know how to use your environments. I have taken on 8 people at a single time killing them all and there are others who have done it too. Even more! 4 different MD rounds hitting you at the same time is a no win situation. And its not that these clowns are even skilled. All it takes is shooting at your foot. For fuks sake you dont even have to aim. And there is no friendly fire on. Heck you can fire at your own teammate and the splash damage will kill the enemy. Thats how much of a BS weapon it is.

Turn on friendly fire on and penalize clwons for friendly kills and then we will see how many people use this weapon.

Dude! Lets not even talk about team work here. You clearly dont know what you are talking about. Take any skilled player, they should be able to handle more than one player at a time. 4 players are nothing if you know how to use your environments. I have taken on 8 people at a single time killing them all and there are others who have done it too. Even more! 4 different MD rounds hitting you at the same time is a no win situation. And its not that these clowns are even skilled. All it takes is shooting at your foot. For fuks sake you dont even have to aim. And there is no friendly fire on. Heck you can fire at your own teammate and the splash damage will kill the enemy. Thats how much of a BS weapon it is.

Turn on friendly fire on and penalize clwons for friendly kills and then we will see how many people use this weapon.

If any skilled player can easily dispatch large teams you obviously were not using the environment effectively. Why insult a team of four because you were careless enough to allow all of them to continuously land rounds on your head? That should be a losing proposition. What did you do to use cover in that situation? Please detail that engagement so we can judge each side's tactics.

PS. This is off topic but using the doom mode with the HMG is flipping awesome. If i crouch down and use it I feel like a sentry gun from COD XD.


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QQ some more that you cant go rambo with your HMG, AR's.

PS. This is off topic but using the doom mode with the HMG is flipping awesome. If i crouch down and use it I feel like a sentry gun from COD XD.


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Its sad that I cant go Rambo with with my HMGs but nothing is stopping me from going Rambo with my ARs, Shotties and MD. All you Logis that troll around with MDs and Rez kits are nothing but a bunch of gay boy band wannabes. BSB, nSync, boyzone etc etc ring a bell?

Huh? Now you are just talking for the heck of it. Seriously! You are talking about tactics? I have seen you play dude. Tact is not one of your plus points. Stop trolling and do something constructive like maybe get good.

Yup and since we're clearly the sexiest of the bunch

"I'm so leet that I should be able to take down any group of four no matter who they are and if I can't then it's because they are using OP weapons."

As a mass driver user last build and a previous build (when first introduced, maybe?), the hike to 6 canisters before a reload is too much. 4 was fine. I would rather they reduce it back down to 4 than change another aspect of them.

So much rage against snipers...

Even if all I do is get 15-30 kills in a round I think that is a huge help to my team as it reduces the number of threats on the field at any one given time and allows my team the opportunity to push forward with numerical advantage.

I have never claimed to be a leet playa or any of that sort. What I am saying is when in CQC situations of any situation that involves cover, if you are in a position where you are surrounded by more than one red dot, there is something you can do to get out of it.

However when it comes to MDS, all the MD user has to do is shoot the MD anywhere close to the enemy. You dont even have to shoot it at the enemy! You can shoot the wall, the ground, the CRU , the supply depot, heck you can shoot your own teammate and the enemy can get damaged from it. There are no penalties and there is no skill involved in it. As long as the shell hits anywhere close to the enemy it does damage.

Where is the skill in that? Where is the AOD in that?

Don't hate it because you gave it every advantage.

I dont hate it;- Im using it

Ok, that's more specific.

I think the issue is that the MD is an AOE weapon and you just can't defeat them using the same tactics you would use against line of sight weapons like an AR. You can't dance with them up close because they will step on your feet. Now you could do that one on one as your superior RoF should tear through the MD's suit in less time than it would take him to take you down, but four dance partners with huge feet are going to be too much.

The solution to that is not to engage a group of MD's the same way you would engage a group of AR users. Don't use cover that has a wall behind it or is too narrow to let you avoid the splash. Lure them out where the terrain is to your advantage or obtain a height advantage over them instead. MD's have both advantages and disadvantages.

Hitting prey hiding behind inadequate cover is the main strength of a MD. Don't hate it because you gave it every advantage.
Play to your strength and their weakness.