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Rebel3010 Lost-Legion 21	Posted - 2012.12.18 18:16:00 - [61] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: People..don't let this be a deal breaker. Allow me to remind you guys that this is a free game and not everyone will use AUR. So, if you don't want to wait until a game is queued to talk to your squad...then pay $2 and get 4000 AUR which will give you a UVT for more than 300 years (realtime). We've all paid $60 or more for games that we've played for less than a year plus DLCs. We are getting a game for free with free upates that we intend on playing a long time for. What's $2 worth?? Edit: It will be AUR that will help support this game not pepsi or nike ads ok. ill pull that $2 out of my jobless ass. im broke. i cant see any money coming my way anytime soon. where its true that you can talk via Text, itll just flood the chat channel in Corp, message after message, when with voice, all you need is to reconize the persons voice. make this UVT crap for created channels/EVE-DUST communication. my price for using voice chat was the 15$ i spent geting the headset. let me tell you that 15$ was not easly obtained. i sold alot of my favoret games to get that and Black Ops used, and Game Exchange doesnt have PSN cards.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 784	Posted - 2012.12.18 18:22:00 - [62] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=263211#post263211 FAQ on UVT from CCP. Highlights : -CCP will be putting out a 'corpwide' UVT item that will allow everyone in the corp to use voice in chat regardless of having a UVT of their own -ALL AURUM ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ISK (Including UVT's) when the secondary market gets in -The only reason the UVT exists is because CCP needs to pay vivox fees for using their voicechat.
Moloko Boots Opus Arcana Orion Empire 33	Posted - 2012.12.18 18:28:00 - [63] - Quote other than the fact that it's beta, I have no problem with paying to voice comms(when it goes live). The way it is priced now you get 4k aur for $1.99 and it cost next to nothing for the UVT. but still, if you are only paying 2 bucks to play this and be able to talk its a great deal.. think about the $60 price tag on other games and the 10 to 20 bucks you pay for every expansion pack. 4,000 Aur for 2 buck, 10 Aur for UVT(30 days)= 400 UVT so yes CCP is "forcing" you to play a free game and pay $2 if you want to talk to your corp for years(of course that's just the current price)
Skihids Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 969	Posted - 2012.12.18 18:32:00 - [64] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=263211#post263211 -The only reason the UVT exists is because CCP needs to pay vivox fees for using their voicechat. This appears to simply be a cost recovery model to cover the payments to their vendor. Remember, the corp channel links to Eve so it uses an outside company who charges for their service. It's free to play, but CCP isn't going to pay for you to play.
A-P-P KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 85	Posted - 2012.12.18 18:38:00 - [65] - Quote I got a code for free very early on and have spent $40 so far on beta testin and fully expect to pay $20 every few months. Nowhere else do you pay for things in a beta. You're basically working for free to help them make a quality game. I know, and have met a lot of people who have paid for the merc pack just to beta test for CCP. I also know one guy who has bought 2 $99.99 aurum packs already. CCP is making money here To milk pennies off beta testers for fundamental and necessary voice comms is just wrong
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.12.18 18:46:00 - [66] - Quote It's stupid. 500k EvE accounts. 50k online at 1 time ever. What is wrong with borrowing the 450k unused channels that are ALREADY paid for? Sorry but I don't see any reason to pay for services which are already paid for. Charging twice for the same service is Bullshit.
Naturi Riclenore BetaMax. 120	Posted - 2012.12.18 18:48:00 - [67] - Quote The purpose of the UVT was stated MONTHS ago. The fact that Corp was able to use it after player corps were introduced was a bug. remember VC does not go through SONYs servers, it goes through EVE Onlines voice services. CCP in no way tricked anyone as it was stated exactly how a UVT could be used. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=248659#post248659 Quote: Hello, Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free: UVT Gives you: - Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST - Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect. UVT is NOT required for: - Team voice chat - Squad voice chat Text chat is of course free everywhere. Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time. Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=263211#post263211 Quote: Q: Will the price of a UVT stay at 1 AUR after closed beta ends? A: No, this is a temporary price to encourage players to test the feature. Final pricing for UVTs has not been determined Q: Why do DUST players have to pay for voice chat and EVE players do not? A: In EVE Online, we can cover the ongoing costs of voice chat through the gameGÇÖs subscription fee. Because DUST is free-to-play, we will need players to cover some of the costs of voice chat. Q: ArenGÇÖt UVTs a pay-to-win feature since they make communication easier and are only available for purchase with AUR? A: We understand this concern and plan to address it before the game ships via the in-game player market, which will allow players to buy and sell UVTs with ISK, the currency awarded in game.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.18 18:52:00 - [68] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=263211#post263211 FAQ on UVT from CCP. Highlights : -CCP will be putting out a 'corpwide' UVT item that will allow everyone in the corp to use voice in chat regardless of having a UVT of their own This point isn't correct. You're saying it's definite, when that post states they're LOOKING AT the option of setting up an item that does this - there's no confirmation that it will happen.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.12.18 19:03:00 - [69] - Quote I'd still like to know why we can't ride on the back of EvE subs. Secondly, what if you play EvE & Dust? Should you be forced to pay AGAIN, for voice comms you already pay a subscription for?
Vane Arcadia ZionTCD Legacy Rising 115	Posted - 2012.12.18 19:09:00 - [70] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: People..don't let this be a deal breaker. Allow me to remind you guys that this is a free game and not everyone will use AUR. So, if you don't want to wait until a game is queued to talk to your squad...then pay $2 and get 4000 AUR which will give you a UVT for more than 300 years (realtime). you don't actually think it will be 1 AUR do you ? The price is subject to change - expect it to be "as much as CCP can get away with".

fahrenheitM Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.12.18 19:16:00 - [71] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: I'd still like to know why we can't ride on the back of EvE subs. It's the American Dream, Freeloading off others!
Brush Master HavoK Core 162	Posted - 2012.12.18 19:23:00 - [72] - Quote fahrenheitM wrote: Tony Calif wrote: I'd still like to know why we can't ride on the back of EvE subs. It's the American Dream, Freeloading off others! It's more of a we are a social people and like to talk. Since I can't give friends AUR that are not able to get it, for whatever reason, this is removing functionality that made the game fun. Even if freeloader stay freeloaders, paying gamers will most likely buy stuff for those really good freeloaders in the group. Options should have been added before the removal was made/fixed. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=47926&find=unread
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 784	Posted - 2012.12.18 19:24:00 - [73] - Quote Quote: you don't actually think it will be 1 AUR do you ? The price is subject to change - expect it to be "as much as CCP can get away with". CCP has said repeatedly the UVT is a nonprofit item. It only exists because they need to pay another company for the voice chat. They are not going to gouge their players on this, expect it to be a pretty cheap aurum item.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.12.18 19:26:00 - [74] - Quote Nova it was -ú15 a month I seem to remember. That's not cheap. That's more than an EvE sub. Edit: The original UVT threadnaught https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30447 All prices in that thread are from back when 400 AUR was -ú1.59 So it'll be -ú5 a month. Less than an EvE sub, my bad.
Naturi Riclenore BetaMax. 120	Posted - 2012.12.18 19:48:00 - [75] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Nova it was -ú15 a month I seem to remember. That's not cheap. That's more than an EvE sub. When it initially came out, it was still kinda cheap.. in fact let me pull up the original pricing (before the 1 AUR pricing change) https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=247120#post247120 60 - 1 Day 150 - 3 Day 250 - 7 Day 900 - 30 Day A merc pack at the time gave you 4,000 AUR (before x10 AUR change). So you would need to pay $20 3x a year (1 every 4 months) or $60 a year for chat = $5 mo. So it was never more than an eve subscription; but it was enough that people didn't really like how they were priced. Since we are not paying a subscription, CCP does need to somehow recover the cost, but at the same time, not make us feel like they are gouging us. I think the more resonable question you asked to get answered is: What if you have an EVE account already? Since you are already paying for the voice through the EVE subscription? I would like to see that one answered
fahrenheitM Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.12.18 20:11:00 - [76] - Quote Brush Master wrote: fahrenheitM wrote: Tony Calif wrote: I'd still like to know why we can't ride on the back of EvE subs. It's the American Dream, Freeloading off others! It's more of a we are a social people and like to talk. Since I can't give friends AUR that are not able to get it, for whatever reason, this is removing functionality that made the game fun. Even if freeloader stay freeloaders, paying gamers will most likely buy stuff for those really good freeloaders in the group. Options should have been added before the removal was made/fixed. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=47926&find=unread Good lord, did you even read what I had quoted? Obviously, the question is rhetorical.
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 417	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:03:00 - [77] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=263211#post263211 -CCP will be putting out a 'corpwide' UVT item that will allow everyone in the corp to use voice in chat regardless of having a UVT of their own This is the crux of the issue, though. We don't HAVE this item. Let's be honest with ourselves guys- we have to play the role of Dust's pied pipers right now. People burn out due to various reasons, and one of the major ones is that the social aspect of the game is severely lacking right now. We might have large corps, but we can't play with our friends in more than tiny 8 man groups. If we want to play with more than 4, we have to schedule the battle, rather than it being instantaneous and fluid. The one thing that was keeping a lot of people coming back was the ability to activate on corp chat and instantly be in the action with their corp mates. To restrict the corp channel's voice freedom without giving us access to the corp wide UVT is either a misguided or a hasty decision. Exactly as before, all it will do is fragment the remaining player base and push away those who have been waiting for improvements. Everyone is willing to pay, but while the corp UVT is in limbo there's only one option- continue to give us corp chat for free. When those corp wide UVT's come out, you can bet your ass we'll be lining up to buy the things.
Reimus Klinsman BetaMax. 319	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:22:00 - [78] - Quote The more money grubbing CCP gets, the less I intend on paying. I feel quite uneasy supporting a company that screws its customers. CCP nearly lost me as a customer when they introduced Macrotransactions in Eve and still required a subscription. Edit: They did lose my girlfriend and her 4 accounts partly because of that move. Also I believe they had about a 10% drop in subscriptions.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:40:00 - [79] - Quote Not to just play Devil's Advocate, but CCP has to pay Vivox for the voice infrastructure. That's part of the subscription cost of EVE, but as a free-to-play game, that isn't an available option. Besides, I would imagine UVTs would have the same lack of market restrictions as other AURUM items, allowing them to be resold by players for ISK. I would prefer a greater focus on cosmetic items for monetization, as Planetside 2 has proven that even with a buggy-ass game and some shoddy mechanics, you can make bank on camo paint and hood ornaments. I think that would be an option all of us would prefer, but UVTs aren't the end of the world.
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.12.18 21:45:00 - [80] - Quote A-P-P wrote: If this is true it is a very bad move. I know many people who will not pay and quite a few who will not play Intended or not, bad move I for one will never pay for UVT in a teambased large scale mmo

Christ0pher Blair Deep Space Republic 34	Posted - 2012.12.19 00:05:00 - [81] - Quote JW v Weingarten wrote: talk to each while you are not in the same match ? i don't know any other game on ps3 where this is possible. still sucks if they are asking AUR for it, basically forcing people in corps to buy AUR Picking straws. The thing that you could do in most the F2P and P2P games for 'free' that include Voice or typed chat rooms :: Corp Chat The thing other F2P or P2P (MMO) games make you pay for is usally :: World/Global Chat It is mostly used as an anti-spam filter for a game that doesn't regulate multiple accounts. It is not used as a game-limitation (as it appears in this case). I agree with the sucking, AUR was never meant to be used as a way to gain a permanent advantage over non-paying members.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2012.12.19 02:20:00 - [82] - Quote this wont be a big issue if CCP actually had a corp wide UVT which one person can buy and enable on the corp channel its not a problem to pay tbh, but it is a problem FORCING every single corp member to pay a seperate fee because like ppl said not everyone has access to a credit card (kids) and shouldnt force everyone to buy a PSN card for some aurum to socialize. I'll gladly pay for my corpwide uvt for my guys tbh i got no issue with that i know they need to make money
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.19 02:22:00 - [83] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: A-P-P wrote: If this is true it is a very bad move. I know many people who will not pay and quite a few who will not play Intended or not, bad move I for one will never pay for UVT in a teambased large scale mmo And you're never going to HAVE to pay for UVTs for team voice, because you get team and squad channels voice-enabled for free.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 1005	Posted - 2012.12.19 02:30:00 - [84] - Quote it wouldnt be so bad if they had the player market in so then they could start trading and see the isk price of UVTs, but some people can't/wont buy UVTs and some people dont have their computer by their PS3 le sigh
Ribbons Reborns Doomheim 68	Posted - 2012.12.19 03:06:00 - [85] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: this wont be a big issue if CCP actually had a corp wide UVT which one person can buy and enable on the corp channel its not a problem to pay tbh, but it is a problem FORCING every single corp member to pay a seperate fee because like ppl said not everyone has access to a credit card (kids) and shouldnt force everyone to buy a PSN card for some aurum to socialize. I'll gladly pay for my corpwide uvt for my guys tbh i got no issue with that i know they need to make money Dawwwwwww, Mavado loves his not even decent or ranked scrubs in SyN.
A-P-P KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 85	Posted - 2012.12.19 03:08:00 - [86] - Quote Quick, everyone, the teamspeak iOS app is still free for a few more days. Go get it
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.12.19 03:17:00 - [87] - Quote So people still have complaints about corp chat being a paid service? Feel free to take my up on my challenge.

CCP Frame C C P C C P Alliance 470	Posted - 2012.12.19 06:07:00 - [88] - Quote Hey guys, We are currently investigating this issue and will update you here the moment we have more information available. Thank you for your patience.

Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2282	Posted - 2012.12.19 06:12:00 - [89] - Quote Ribbons Reborns wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: this wont be a big issue if CCP actually had a corp wide UVT which one person can buy and enable on the corp channel its not a problem to pay tbh, but it is a problem FORCING every single corp member to pay a seperate fee because like ppl said not everyone has access to a credit card (kids) and shouldnt force everyone to buy a PSN card for some aurum to socialize. I'll gladly pay for my corpwide uvt for my guys tbh i got no issue with that i know they need to make money Dawwwwwww, Mavado loves his not even decent or ranked scrubs in SyN. lol should add in cheap/broke in there too tbh @ Frame ty for the reply, much appreciated
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.12.19 06:16:00 - [90] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are currently investigating this issue and will update you here the moment we have more information available. Thank you for your patience. Thank you for responding, I really appreciate it.



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