4. It forces you to be careful with your choices. You don't like that concept? Well, Hello Kitty Online is that way.-------->

Ive yet to see any proof that people playing dust are more careful with their lives then any other FPS games because of consumed gear . You barely see anyway one wait the full bleed out period and usually get the sense that waiting for a revive is pointless. In fact all consumer gear has caused in dust has been sniper hills filled with snipers and everyone just staying in militia fits with high skills and no diversity of gear.

I get it you like Eve and how it was setup , but not realizing this is a FPS and not a RPG is the biggest problem in dust not the gear. There is no way to zone out if your being attacked and cant handle it in a FPS and if you just quit a match its called rage quitting or stat padding. FPS games are all about funneling that death in a small area to keep the adrenaline pumping and the team that grinds through to the other side wins. When you remove the FPS grind you remove what makes FPS players play a FPS and that is what is reflected everyday on this forum.

There were only three games that ive seen that made people really care about their lives. The first counterstrike, old socom, and americas army and im sure these are not games RPG players want to play. Also im going to ask this question again , but what do you think is not a generic shooter?

A free to play model needs a huge playerbase and corps are never the answer to that.

@Crm234

Oh take your pessimism somewhere else.

all that saids is that you are just as concerned about the same things ,but afraid to face the reality of it and cant counter that with a typical eve player response. Im not going to take any more space in this thread so you dont have to worry and everyone from eve will hit the like button on your post anyway.s to make you feel better.

pointless corp talk , blah blah blah corp this blah blah blah corp that. A game that needs clans or cops in order to play is a badly designed game for free to play.

How did your corp solve the snipers on the hill problem, oh wait it didnt

How did your corp solve more people run around with militia fits, oh wait it didnt

How did your corp solve the reviving problem, oh wait it didnt

How did your corp solve that every new player has a problem with dust, oh wait it didnt.

Corp solutions are always just to separate themselves from the problems of dust instead of solve them by screaming we need different secs. A free to play model needs a huge playerbase and corps are never the answer to that.

we both know that this is not a mmo , its going to connect to a mmo. Also every time a little more is exposed about dust connection to eve it shows a connection that is de limbed and de fanged to the point of being cosmetic only. The connection will only be a annoyance to dust players and an amusement to eve players. I don't blame CCP for it and don't expect them to change it at all since Eve pays the bills. So with one leg already kicked out a small playerbase of players that believe no one is worthy of their game will make dust tank. Also Sony has two ponies in the race and a new system coming out. There is no 9 years to wait to grow a playerbase.

All the hype and main focus in the development of dust should not be the connection to eve and eve only. The core mechanics of this game are sub par to what is being released . I want it to all work out great but dont believe depending solely on this connection is the best policy for dusts creation.

I've read a few posts from people complaining about consumable gear, and saying we need more BPOs. For those people, I say read this article. It's exactly why we DO need consumable gear. Make each death matter, and people will play differently. (instead of treating this as another generic FPS) The article isn't specifically about FPS, but applies to gaming in general.
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Good god that's a lot of whine about.... lag? Really?

I can't even tell.

Lag is one reason why a consumable only FPS game is a bad idea. In a FPS game, latency is king. Lets say you have two identical players, and I mean they are exact clones of eachother. They are both using the same gear and landing the same amount of bullets at the exact same time in the same exact part of each others bodies.

Player A pings the Dust server, and gets 50ms. Player B pings the Dust server, and gets 150ms. On paper this is miniscule, only 1/10th a second difference. But in reality, this means player A will win every single time, even though the players are identical.

Now say you have an average player with 150ms and a really good player at 50ms. Even in the example where two players are identical it showed Player A winning every time due to the latency advantage... now we have two completely different skilled players, in which the superior skilled player has even more of an advantage. In this case, the average player with 150ms has absolutely no chance, he is likely dead before he can even fire off a single bullet.

So ok, now we reverse that scenario. The average player has 50ms and the really good player has 150ms. At this point they are almost evenly matched, and the average player may even be able to take out the really good player, solely due to the latency advantage.

Just with these three examples should prove a point about the inconsistent nature of a FPS online game, even if latency is the ONLY variable. So now we mix in the provocative nature of expensive and inexpensive suits, where average players are being insanely dominated if their ping isn't superior, regardless of suit price. And when the roles reverse, the really good player is almost evenly matched regardless of suit price.

There is simply too many variables to determine a fair outcome for every player. So because of that, paying for really expensive suits and losing them, lets say due to lag, is absolutely ridiculous. And I guarantee this will scare off a massive amount of FPS players from sticking with this game. And only the masochists will keep playing.