DUST Search - This is why we need consumable gear.

DJINN leukoplast wrote:

Vance Alken wrote:

Good god that's a lot of whine about.... lag? Really?

I can't even tell.

Lag is one reason why a consumable only FPS game is a bad idea. In a FPS game, latency is king. Lets say you have two identical players, and I mean they are exact clones of eachother. They are both using the same gear and landing the same amount of bullets at the exact same time in the same exact part of each others bodies.

Player A pings the Dust server, and gets 50ms. Player B pings the Dust server, and gets 150ms. On paper this is miniscule, only 1/10th a second difference. But in reality, this means player A will win every single time, even though the players are identical.

Now say you have an average player with 150ms and a really good player at 50ms. Even in the example where two players are identical it showed Player A winning every time due to the latency advantage... now we have two completely different skilled players, in which the superior skilled player has even more of an advantage. In this case, the average player with 150ms has absolutely no chance, he is likely dead before he can even fire off a single bullet.

So ok, now we reverse that scenario. The average player has 50ms and the really good player has 150ms. At this point they are almost evenly matched, and the average player may even be able to take out the really good player, solely due to the latency advantage.

Just with these three examples should prove a point about the inconsistent nature of a FPS online game, even if latency is the ONLY variable. So now we mix in the provocative nature of expensive and inexpensive suits, where average players are being insanely dominated if their ping isn't superior, regardless of suit price. And when the roles reverse, the really good player is almost evenly matched regardless of suit price.

There is simply too many variables to determine a fair outcome for every player. So because of that, paying for really expensive suits and losing them, lets say due to lag, is absolutely ridiculous. And I guarantee this will scare off a massive amount of FPS players from sticking with this game. And only the masochists will keep playing.

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Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2012.12.15 07:07:00 - [1] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Vance Alken wrote: Good god that's a lot of whine about.... lag? Really? I can't even tell. Lag is one reason why a consumable only FPS game is a bad idea. In a FPS game, latency is king. Lets say you have two identical players, and I mean they are exact clones of eachother. They are both using the same gear and landing the same amount of bullets at the exact same time in the same exact part of each others bodies. Player A pings the Dust server, and gets 50ms. Player B pings the Dust server, and gets 150ms. On paper this is miniscule, only 1/10th a second difference. But in reality, this means player A will win every single time, even though the players are identical. Now say you have an average player with 150ms and a really good player at 50ms. Even in the example where two players are identical it showed Player A winning every time due to the latency advantage... now we have two completely different skilled players, in which the superior skilled player has even more of an advantage. In this case, the average player with 150ms has absolutely no chance, he is likely dead before he can even fire off a single bullet. So ok, now we reverse that scenario. The average player has 50ms and the really good player has 150ms. At this point they are almost evenly matched, and the average player may even be able to take out the really good player, solely due to the latency advantage. Just with these three examples should prove a point about the inconsistent nature of a FPS online game, even if latency is the ONLY variable. So now we mix in the provocative nature of expensive and inexpensive suits, where average players are being insanely dominated if their ping isn't superior, regardless of suit price. And when the roles reverse, the really good player is almost evenly matched regardless of suit price. There is simply too many variables to determine a fair outcome for every player. So because of that, paying for really expensive suits and losing them, lets say due to lag, is absolutely ridiculous. And I guarantee this will scare off a massive amount of FPS players from sticking with this game. And only the masochists will keep playing. "Don't use it if you can't afford to loose it" Limited amount of gear is one of the aspects I like about this game, I enjoy that risk and reward factor. Now yes I see what you mean about the latency issue but like you said there are alot of variables and the only examples you gave seem synonymous to 2 players running at each other out in the open. Your examples don't take positioning, environment, teamwork, or any other factor into account. Yes dying to lag or right out of the spawn sucks, but your solution would just makes this game even more bland.