I was reading this out loud to my brother and we were laughing. So much caps lock, so much exaggeration, so much rage.
I especially enjoyed the part about FPS on consoles not being a "legitimate" genre, whatever that means.
You ranting on doesn't help the game improve, you said nothing constructive that can actually help. I also enjoy the part about you playing for 3 months, never once coming to the forums to report bugs or provide feedback, and then finally coming here for whatever this is to call the devs incompetent. You show that you have no interest in actually helping the game improve.

I was reading this out loud to my brother and we were laughing. So much caps lock, so much exaggeration, so much rage.
I especially enjoyed the part about FPS on consoles not being a "legitimate" genre, whatever that means.
You ranting on doesn't help the game improve, you said nothing constructive that can actually help. I also enjoy the part about you playing for 3 months, never once coming to the forums to report bugs or provide feedback, and then finally coming here for whatever this is to call the devs incompetent. You show that you have no interest in actually helping the game improve.

Anyone who doesn't think exactly like me is a troll.

I am trying to save this game from ending up like MAG.

So you bash the game and give no constructive feedback to make it better = troll logic

So you bash the game and give no constructive feedback to make it better = troll logic

This is unbelievable. Three times in a row, this forum has eaten my god damn posts.

This game deserves better than unreal 3. CCP made a horrible mistake when they picked this engine. That is all I have to say. This game was supposed to be the savior of the FPS genre. It ended up being another victim of UE3's garbage optimization on consoles. You can not even begin to understand the depths of my disappointment with CCP's decision making. You can not even begin to understand how amazing this game could have been if CCP took the time and money to make a decent engine for this ambitious game. If you disagree with me, that's fine. But you know nothing about games if you think this one is in any shape to be even worthy of such an absolute blind defense on your part. CCP BLEW IT. You have no idea how hard they blew it. They took what should have single handedly rejuvenated the competitive FPS scene, and turned it into a minute distraction the Call of Duty 'brogamers' will play while they wait for the next Call of Duty game. This game plays poorly. It's the engine's fault entirely. I am seriously beginning to doubt you've played this game at all. The state it's in is completely unacceptable. And it can't be fixed. Period.

This is seriously the most disappointing thing of all time.

Exactly why was this game suppose to rejuvenate the Fps genre? Taking a company which has never made an fps and putting them on that high of a pedestal is flawed logic. And exactly how do you know the Ue3 engine isn't just for the beta phase of the game? I'm almost completely sure you've never played this game as if you were qualified to give accurate feedback on this game, it would've been done months ago.

So...a show of hands from those who see the words BETA splashed across the top when you sign onto DUST. This one remembers seeing that. Its even a closed BETA even, with changes undoubtedly still in the pipeline. JSTR BETA means Not Complete, subject to lots of changes and adjustments based on PROPER feedback. Alas, it would be very trollish of me to say the OP is shedding carebear tears, but I don't want to troll and I am not even sure DUST has carebears to tear as yet (unless the hapless masses getting caught in spawn camps count?)

So...a show of hands from those who see the words BETA splashed across the top when you sign onto DUST. This one remembers seeing that. Its even a closed BETA even, with changes undoubtedly still in the pipeline. JSTR BETA means Not Complete, subject to lots of changes and adjustments based on PROPER feedback. Alas, it would be very trollish of me to say the OP is shedding carebear tears, but I don't want to troll and I am not even sure DUST has carebears to tear as yet (unless the hapless masses getting caught in spawn camps count?)

So...a show of hands from those who see the words BETA splashed across the top when you sign onto DUST. This one remembers seeing that. Its even a closed BETA even, with changes undoubtedly still in the pipeline. JSTR BETA means Not Complete, subject to lots of changes and adjustments based on PROPER feedback. Alas, it would be very trollish of me to say the OP is shedding carebear tears, but I don't want to troll and I am not even sure DUST has carebears to tear as yet (unless the hapless masses getting caught in spawn camps count?)

You can't just change the engine like that without completely rewriting the code, it would be the equivalent of starting the game completely from scratch. But yes, Vermaak has a point. As much as your points may be valid with the Unreal 3 Engine, dear Ziot, you are giving CCP way too many expectations and demands. Sure, they have created a succesfull PC MMO that keeps growing every year, but expecting them to create an FPS that would completely rewrite the genre is just ridicilous. This game was meant as a new way to link two completely different games together, not to completely blow everyone's mind with new gameplay mechanics that no one has ever seen before and be the benchmark to all FPS, especially from a developer that has never made an FPS before.

So for short, your expectations are way overblown, you give CCP unrealistic demands and just generally exaggarate things.

@zoit,

Would you prefer CCP use their in-house engine (carbon) instead which is relatively new, experimental, and requires massive resources? It's the same engine that powers Incarna avatars in Eve.

Anyways, I understand what you mean. But your hate toward the unreal engine is just based on personal preference. CCP had to choose the engine because of time constraints and because the engine is easier to work with for a company that never made a first person shooter in their entire career. Other engines would be nice no doubt, but how easy are they to work with compared to unreal?

IdTech3 would have been the optimal choice, in my opinion. If you want a smooth game, with a consistent feel to it. It's the same game engine used to make the Call of Duty 4 multiplayer engine, which has been used in everysingle Call of Duty game since 4. It can handle vehicles and everything, and while Call of Duty may use a lot of smoke and mirrors to give it that crisp look, it's an ideal multiplayer engine, and would have made a much prettier game than the muddy, ugly, barren thing we have right now.

The texture pop-in on this game is freakin' CRAZY. You simply turn around while exploring the map and the textures will load in front of your very eyes.

Dust 514 is an ugly game. That's saying A LOT considering UE3 is pretty much a Graphics Showcase engine, it's sole purpose besides housing game code is to put a bunch of pretty stuff on the screen. I can appreciate artistic design. But there is no way they intended for all of the terrain in this game to be a mostly featureless grey/brown/yellow expanse. I get it, we're on freshly colonized worlds, but even mars has some texture to it. Without the architecture to break up the drab earths with some metals, this game would be totally devoid of any kind of life. TRIBES had cooler looking maps than this.

That doesn't answer my question. Forget graphics and map layouts. I'm talking about ease of use here.

That still doesn't answer the ease of use question. Someone else please answer the question. Obviously i'm not getting any answers from this guy.

look pal i don't know what's your problem but on behalf of all players enjoying the game i say this:

We would prefer to judge the game in it's final form than it's Beta form.

in a game beta you suppose to provide feedback and give ideas to improve it.
but instead you would prefer to post your displeasure and rage on the forums like a bull with mad cow disease.

I hope you are happy because you just humiliate yourself in front of hundreds of people with logic.

That is exactly my point, bro. While CCP can, and most definitely should update the game systems, and the core game play with new features, weapons, maps, there is VERY, VERY, VERY, little they can do about the problems plaguing the GAME ENGINE. It's something SCORES of other developers have been unable to solve. and this failure to recognize the flaws of this engine are why a single little title dominates sales every god damn year, chief.

This IS the game's FINAL FORM. It won't get better looking, better playing, or better FEELING. The only thing they can do is change the fundemental gameplay, squash bugs as many bugs as they can, and do balance tweaks.

The core problems this game will face in the future have to do with inherent problems in the game engine itself. These are problems that have plagued the Engine since it first debuted in Gears of War back in 2006, and those EXACT same problems have found their way into this game as well. This really isn't a hard thing to understand. These underlying issues have already dealt a deathblow to this game's viability as a competitive shooter. It's inconsistent, there's massive stuttering, to the point where the game WILL FREEZE for a split second while in combat.

To quote my friend Kenshiro. This game is ALREADY DEAD.

These problems won't go away at launch. If they do I'll gladly eat my just desserts. But the track record so far is clear as day. This game suffers from the exact same problems all games on the unreal engine suffer from when brought online.

once again you just assume these problems won't be fixed as if you have the power to see the future.

Do you know how hard it is to develop a game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XVusao6Mic

Cool story, bro.

I didn't ask anything of CCP. I'm not the one losing anything when this game launches, they are.

If you think for one second that these issues will sort themselves out by release, you're crazy. This game is dead on arrival.

I'd be curious to know if the guy with SSD is having all these issue, whoever that was should ask him about it.

IdTech3 would have been the optimal choice, in my opinion. If you want a smooth game, with a consistent feel to it. It's the same game engine used to make the Call of Duty 4 multiplayer engine, which has been used in everysingle Call of Duty game since 4.

Console FPS is a joke. This game was supposed to change everything. The entire genre of FPS has been ruined by these slow console shooters. This game was supposed to be different, and not because I had this image in my head of what this game was SUPPOSED to be.

The game as it currently stands is well designed, but it's always going to be flawed, and the TRUE issues with the game will NEVER be undone. Unreal Engine 3 is a BAD engine for online FPS. Especially on consoles. This game has atrocious graphics, horrible stuttering framerates, and borderline unacceptable rubber-banding. There are issues with ALL unreal engine games on consoles.

This was supposed to be an FPS from one of the best PC developers of ALL time. The only MMO developers that have managed to grow their MMO consistently every single year of its existence. They are using an engine notorious for being subpar for online games with FAR less detail/players/interactions than Dust 514. especially on consoles. To use this garbage engine on a game of THIS SCALE, is absolutely mind boggling. They chose a graphics showcase engine to deliver a mass scale, online FPS. If you don't see the problem with this, and the problems with the game in general. You can't be reasoned with. Period.

This game has every right to play as smoothly as Call of Duty, or any retail FPS it has the potential to be FAR superior to all of those games. Especially considering the fantastic addition of keyboard and mouse controls. This game deserves FAR better than Unreal 3. CCP will not be able to fix the issues with this game in time for launch, or ever. That's the nature of the beast.

This game will forever be left to the dustbin of failure, because of such a subpar engine choice.

If you can prove to me, beyond a shadow of a doubt that this game will run at AT LEAST 30 frames per second when it leaves beta and hits launch, I will shut my damn mouth. I waited 3 months to get into this beta. My god damn heart sank when I saw that damn unreal engine 3 logo. I immediately expected the worst, and my fears were confirmed within 10 seconds of playing this game. This is the biggest gaming related disappointment I've ever experienced. I am not even exaggerating.

How could a dev like CCP choose graphics over SMOOTH GAMEPLAY? It doesn't make any god damn sense, man.

Obviously this OP has already made up his mind and will only accept doom and gloom for DUST. It's like a Christian evangelical constantly denying evolution regardless of physical proof.

I'm through talking to this guy on this thread.

Nice way to throw in that jab...

Off topic, but there is still much debate and physical evidence AGAINST evolution, as much as proponents deny it.
While arguments can be very flawed especially in the fervent christian community, there are also very good arguments against it.

Personally, I believe in adaptation and natural selection, but find that that gaps between species and the whole concept of a common ansestor presents to o many holes in the theory.

In other words, I believe in a mix of the valid parts of the theory, and also my christian beliefs that support it. Labelin every christian that way os quite a stereotype and sweepin generalization.

Nice way to throw in that jab...

Off topic, but there is still much debate and physical evidence AGAINST evolution, as much as proponents deny it.
While arguments can be very flawed especially in the fervent christian community, there are also very good arguments against it.

Personally, I believe in adaptation and natural selection, but find that that gaps between species and the whole concept of a common ansestor presents to o many holes in the theory.

In other words, I believe in a mix of the valid parts of the theory, and also my christian beliefs that support it. Labelin every christian that way os quite a stereotype and sweepin generalization.

Nice way to throw in that jab...

Off topic, but there is still much debate and physical evidence AGAINST evolution, as much as proponents deny it.
While arguments can be very flawed especially in the fervent christian community, there are also very good arguments against it.

Personally, I believe in adaptation and natural selection, but find that that gaps between species and the whole concept of a common ansestor presents to o many holes in the theory.

In other words, I believe in a mix of the valid parts of the theory, and also my christian beliefs that support it. Labelin every christian that way os quite a stereotype and sweepin generalization.

I did not say all christians are like that. I just happen to notice that a certain sect of them understand the book of genesis as if it's meant to be read in literal terms (I'm Gnostic and I read it in allegorical or symbolic terms only). Perhaps it's the Orthodox Christians I was referring to.

Anyways, that's besides the point. I was merely using the Christian argument to point out how willfully ignorant the OP is at this moment. I can understand the many flaws with Dust 514, but that doesn't mean I'm obligated to see the whole thing as a glass that is half empty. I see the glass half full instead. But it's not just the amount of water in the container that matters. What about the chemical make up of the glass itself? It's shape maybe? Or how tall is that glass? Is the water being filled slowly or quickly? That's how I see Dust.

Unfortunately for the OP, he just decided to stick with seeing the glass as just destroyed or non-existent. We already provided our valid arguments regarding the Unreal Engine. So far the OP has already made up his mind. There is no convincing him.

But anyways, Back on topic.

As I mentioned before. You all are refuting him on the subject of the game bring a work in Progress, not on his basis of a problem with the game engine as a whole. Is there any arguments lut there to support or deny his assertions that Unreal Engine is limiting the game to a large extent?

But anyways, Back on topic.

As I mentioned before. You all are refuting him on the subject of the game bring a work in Progress, not on his basis of a problem with the game engine as a whole. Is there any arguments lut there to support or deny his assertions that Unreal Engone is limiting the game to a large extent?

The use of Unreal Engine 3 in a game of this magnitude on a CONSOLE is absolutely unacceptable. This game will ALWAYS be a sub-30 FPS, stuttering, rubberbanding, mess.

Um, dude...

2K Marin, Epic Games, Hi-Rez Studios, Ubisoft, Raven Software, The Farm 51, Midway Games, EA Los Angeles, Danger Close Games, BioWare, Kaos Studios, Sony Online Austin, Gearbox Software, People Can Fly, NC Soft, EA Montreal, and the US Army all say you're full of it.

Lemme know when you've got your own kickass engine created that gets half the use that UE3 does though, mkay?

It could help if you named one.

Very well. For the utterly slow thinkers with an inability to do their own research. Here you go (In alphabetical order no less) :

All Zombies Must Die, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Army of Two, Blade & Soul, Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway, Blacksite: Area 51, Borderlands, Borderlands 2, Bulletstorm, DC Universe Online, Fronlines: Fuel of War, Gears of War, Gears of War 2, Gears of War 3 (Yes, GOW is XBox but..console online was the criteria), Homefront, Lost Planet 3, Mass Effect 3, Medal of Honor, Medal of Honor: Airborne, Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe, Painkiller: Hell & Damnation, Section 8, Section 8: Prejudice, Singularity, Spec Ops: The Line, Stranglehold, Tom Clancy's Endwar, Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas, Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 2, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater HD, Too Human, Tron: Evolution, Turok, Unreal Tournament 3, and X-COM: Enemy Unknown.

Satisfied? That's not even counting single-player or non-console.