The price jump from normal and type II proto suits is completely outrageous.

the real problem here is there are not enough heavies. Mr. Zitro hates them so please please every start using them. Also he really loves it when you drive an LAV towards him and jumped out.

I honestly love doing that.... Drive your LAV past the redline, cap a few fools, get back in and drive away:D

They need more slots, armor, and CPU/PG tojustify the cost in SP and ISK for heavy suits tbh. A general across the board buff

I see no reason ever to go beyond T1 stats suits, simply because ever since the change to reduce uber guys killing everyone they all have the same armour and shield amounts.

I have also noticed there is a huge jump in price with the heavy dropsuits vs scout, assault, or logistics. While heavys should be more expensive overall, I'm not sure if going from 80k a dropsuit (proto heavy vk0) to 240k (proto heavy vk1) is balanced.

Although I could be wrong and that vk1 is just that powerful? O.o

In any case, I agree with them being more expensive than other dropsuits but the scaling of the heavy dropsuit seems too expensive. Still working up to a proto heavy suit however.

the real problem here is there are not enough heavies. Mr. Zitro hates them so please please every start using them. Also he really loves it when you drive an LAV towards him and jumped out.

Just checked the prices of assault suit type-II variants. I should rage, right? I should. *Looks at corp tag* I'll do it in a closet later >_>

Awww! Sota, you do not need to hide your rage in the closet. You can rage. Just remember to Brooklyn Rage! when you do. That way it is epic, and funny. Ha-ha. I'm serious though. You should not be afraid to rage out once in a while. Zion TCD or otherwise. Just remember to keep it well.. Chilled I suppose. Hard to aptly describe here, but you know what I mean. I hope.

Anyway I agree, and this is coming from someone whom is not a 'Heavy' class soldier. The dent in a 'Heavies' pay stub is steep. Utterly too steep if you ask me. Especially considering how much they have to dump into skills alone as it stands. Being or even wanting to be a 'Heavy' class soldier (Duster) is pretty much a kick to the balls, and handicaped. It's like playing Demon's Souls with one hand. It sort of feels like CCP does not want 'Heavies' in their game. That is my honest opinion. Especially considering how hard it is on them, and how hard it is to be a proper 'Heavy' in-game even. It's worst then playing an LJN game. Yeah it's that bad. I'm an 'Assault' class and I call it "easy mode". Simply because, it is. That said the game itself is so utterly unbalanced at the moment it's like being thrown into a 32X title, and told play it smiling. It's not a lot of fun. I love Dust514, but the fact remains there is a lot to overcome in this beta and this build. It's a mess and that is me being generous. Being a 'Heavy' though is as I said; getting kicked in the balls repeatedly. CCP are you biased towards 'Heavies'? Seems like it.

Awww! Sota, you do not need to hide your rage in the closet. You can rage. Just remember to Brooklyn Rage! when you do. That way it is epic, and funny. Ha-ha. I'm serious though. You should not be afraid to rage out once in a while. Zion TCD or otherwise. Just remember to keep it well.. Chilled I suppose. Hard to aptly describe here, but you know what I mean. I hope.

Anyway I agree, and this is coming from someone whom is not a 'Heavy' class soldier. The dent in a 'Heavies' pay stub is steep. Utterly too steep if you ask me. Especially considering how much they have to dump into skills alone as it stands. Being or even wanting to be a 'Heavy' class soldier (Duster) is pretty much a kick to the balls, and handicaped. It's like playing Demon's Souls with one hand. It sort of feels like CCP does not want 'Heavies' in their game. That is my honest opinion. Especially considering how hard it is on them, and how hard it is to be a proper 'Heavy' in-game even. It's worst then playing an LJN game. Yeah it's that bad. I'm an 'Assault' class and I call it "easy mode". Simply because, it is. That said the game itself is so utterly unbalanced at the moment it's like being thrown into a 32X title, and told play it smiling. It's not a lot of fun. I love Dust514, but the fact remains there is a lot to overcome in this beta and this build. It's a mess and that is me being generous. Being a 'Heavy' though is as I said; getting kicked in the balls repeatedly. CCP are you biased towards 'Heavies'? Seems like it.

I see no reason ever to go beyond T1 stats suits, simply because ever since the change to reduce uber guys killing everyone they all have the same armour and shield amounts.

Increased PG/CPU and slots means you can equip more and better stuff to buff the suits.

The best fitting you can manage with a Standard Heavy suit will still be a LOT easier to drop than the best fitting you can make with a Proto Heavy.

Increased PG/CPU and slots means you can equip more and better stuff to buff the suits.

The best fitting you can manage with a Standard Heavy suit will still be a LOT easier to drop than the best fitting you can make with a Proto Heavy.

Lol he rages at me every time i catch him with it. Its really the only way to compete with proto assults for us heavys. Cant run proto armor so we wont survive the extremely slow sprint to close the distance to the proto AR, thats really our only option. No other real way for us to counter that other than a lucky close quarters encounter around the corner. Wish he understood that

Is once we get to level 4 on our suits, we may as well stop. Do you really believe 60 or so more CPU is worth 250,000 ISK? It's not, even with another mod.

they run like a fat person eating cake...

I guess you do not understand that Heavies ARE NOT SLAYERS!!!!!!! They are not meant to be able to run around the match killing everyone. THEY ARE DEFENSIVE!!! Meant to stay near cover and buildings. I wish people understood that. Guess not.

This is true if you believe 181 less HP on a heavy is a LOT less. Because that's the difference HP wise between a standard and a proto heavy. You can already fit a proto HMG and 2 x complex shield extenders on a standard heavy. The only stuff you get extra on a proto heavy are another shield extender and an armor plate (which is 181 extra HP) plus a sidearm and a grenade possibly. You will on the other hand also be 10% slower due to the armor plate...

Min / Maxers will most definitely do this.

I've spent 45 day in eve training a lvl 5 skill for +3% to something. Not to mention, I also trained Gallente only for 5 years. I trained shield skills that would increase the buffer between first strike and tank starting, all to 5. I trained most missile skills to 5 just to use the utility slot on some ships.

After all that time on Gallente, there wasn't much more to train as Gallente. However, when I trained the next 2 races, I tore through their skills and can fly nearly anything out of 3 races with near perfect skills. Now, my abilities suck as anything but an inty pilot, but i digress.

So while you may not seed the benefit per cost, some people will take it because they can fit that one mod with better skills that just might help them kill you.

I disagree that upping your suits tier should also up HP. The upgrade in CPU/PC or w/e it's called is enough of an upgrade. I rather like the fact that if someone rushes to proto suit it won't mean they just got the best upgrade possible. It only means they can now use the best upgrades possible. You're still a sitting duck to militia who put SP into passive skills, rather then a suit with tons of potential and no ability to use it.

If they upgrade the suits armor/shield per tier, it would just create a very large barrier between vets and newbs.

i miss when scout suits were decent.

now they are tissue paper assault suits

You mean popping out of no where with shotguns or sniping you in the face, tissue papers.

Some tissues are so soft too, way better then the cheap stuff :)

You mean popping out of no where with shotguns or sniping you in the face, tissue papers.

Some tissues are so soft too, way better then the cheap stuff :)

i do the same feats with a assault suits.
more cap/cpu, more mod fittings.
but i get ahead of myself. let's all predict how they are going to nerf the heavies once they get access to armor and shield hardeners.

Is once we get to level 4 on our suits, we may as well stop. Do you really believe 60 or so more CPU is worth 250,000 ISK? It's not, even with another mod.

If you haven't noticed yet, my complaint is the last variant to the Type-II series. For a heavy fighting in higher tier games where everyone is rocking proto weapons, we turn into paper without the right mods. But to get the power to use those mods we need to farm for hours and hours, 150k a good game, and this will care for only half the cost of a single suit, no gun or mods.

So since I can't possibly afford the proto suit variant, I must use the advanced one. Which is fine, I can stomp on anyone not geared. But once I come across a black suit, my fun time will end and everything I have to miss out on due to outrages price comes to shine.

I'm not asking for a buff for heavies - honestly I think it's the mods that need work. But a price reduction on our proto suit. Why is the armor variant only 1/3 the price of the shield one?

I can understand where you are coming from but heavies have more hp than any other Class and if you are in the objective (where a heavy should be) we ar emost likley in the range of your HMG...so there is your trade off....i would say for pub matches you are correct but to say theat yo should never spec into proto because of the cost ...you should join an EVE corp and that will not be an issue for them(your suit cost)SO will you ever use it?Im gonna say yes...just not now...wearing proto assault/scout/logi right now is just as dumb.

This is just a quick suggestion that I haven't really thought but I'll post it anyway:

What if proto heavy suits had a 1 hp per second repair rate in their armour automatically? Meaning, if you make a proto heavy with 2 shield extenders and 2 armour plates for maximum health, you'll still be able to regenerate health, but at a very slow rate. If you added a basic armour repairer then it would be 3 hp per second instead.

This would be a small thing, but I believe it would make them more widely used.
Anyone have reason why/why not?

I can give you a somewhat decent why not - it's worthless. Ever run as a heavy with 800 armor and a 5/hp a sec mod? Doesn't do us a lick of good. It helps assaults and logi - they don't have much health to begin with, but for us, we're just fatties who are slower, bigger, don't hit harder, but can last a whole second longer if attacked then assaults.

I can understand where you are coming from but heavies have more hp than any other Class and if you are in the objective (where a heavy should be) we ar emost likley in the range of your HMG...so there is your trade off....i would say for pub matches you are correct but to say theat yo should never spec into proto because of the cost ...you should join an EVE corp and that will not be an issue for them(your suit cost)SO will you ever use it?Im gonna say yes...just not now...wearing proto assault/scout/logi right now is just as dumb.

I run a heavy, and even a basic armour repairer is not worthless, do you know why? Because I don't usually get damaged past my shields, and when I do, my armour repairer kicks in and heals it. If I lose 200 armour, then I let myself heal for a while and gain 100 back, because I keep my shields up, then that 100 armour could be the difference between life and death.

Heavies are slow, so you have plenty of time to heal up. It's not worthless in my opinion, as every little thing helps.

Bahaha. Yesterday i hacked a blaster turret that was behind enemy lines, but only barely. Then, i would run over to it, kill some reds that were hiding in the red zone, and then sprint back to safety every 14 or so seconds. Racked up quite a few kills + i felt awesome!

Sorry, off topic^

A quick warning to people using supply depots to save expensive heavy suits - it deletes your suit when you change it. Tested this - it's true. Seems it only deletes if you've taken a certain amount of damage though, since one time my FG suit didn't delete.

What?

As far as I'm aware you don't lose any suits when you switch at a supply depot.

If you spawn and go look at a supply depot it would look like you lost the fitting you're using, but as soon as you switch to another fitting, you get back the fitting you just switched from.

What?

As far as I'm aware you don't lose any suits when you switch at a supply depot.

If you spawn and go look at a supply depot it would look like you lost the fitting you're using, but as soon as you switch to another fitting, you get back the fitting you just switched from.

I've never seen you before, but your nearly 100 likes means you've been around. So I'm going to ask - am I suppose to only do one thing in a suit, and only one thing? Heavies ONLY defend? I have no other choice? I should only use HMG? Heavies are like any other suit in this game - they're suppose to have choices in how they want to play.

And one of the choices I should be allowed to make is not have any real contact to the EVE side, still be able to play this game and use all the high end tier equipment if I play enough. I shouldn't have to spend 100 hours more grinding ISK just because CCP expects each and every single one of us to have friends on the EVE side. I actually do thanks to Zion, but if I hadn't been in this corp, I wouldn't know anyone and I'd be up ***** creek if I didn't own a PC to go looking for them.

The price is broken.