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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2012.12.02 03:52:00 -
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Is once we get to level 4 on our suits, we may as well stop. Do you really believe 60 or so more CPU is worth 250,000 ISK? It's not, even with another mod.
If you haven't noticed yet, my complaint is the last variant to the Type-II series. For a heavy fighting in higher tier games where everyone is rocking proto weapons, we turn into paper without the right mods. But to get the power to use those mods we need to farm for hours and hours, 150k a good game, and this will care for only half the cost of a single suit, no gun or mods.
So since I can't possibly afford the proto suit variant, I must use the advanced one. Which is fine, I can stomp on anyone not geared. But once I come across a black suit, my fun time will end and everything I have to miss out on due to outrages price comes to shine.
I'm not asking for a buff for heavies - honestly I think it's the mods that need work. But a price reduction on our proto suit. Why is the armor variant only 1/3 the price of the shield one? |
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Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2012.12.02 03:56:00 -
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It's like that with turrets- even if the compressed/accelerated variant isn't worth it (you're better off with a regular proto railgun/blaster than a compressed one, for heat sake) it'll cost much more than all the other proto turrets. |
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Posted - 2012.12.02 03:58:00 -
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the price jump from normal, and type II proto suits is a little overkill. |
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Posted - 2012.12.02 04:01:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:The price jump from normal and type II proto suits is completely outrageous. fixed |
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Posted - 2012.12.02 04:04:00 -
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the real problem here is there are not enough heavies. Mr. Zitro hates them so please please every start using them. Also he really loves it when you drive an LAV towards him and jumped out. |
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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2012.12.02 04:15:00 -
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Just checked the prices of assault suit type-II variants. I should rage, right? I should. *Looks at corp tag* I'll do it in a closet later >_> |
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Posted - 2012.12.02 18:36:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:the real problem here is there are not enough heavies. Mr. Zitro hates them so please please every start using them. Also he really loves it when you drive an LAV towards him and jumped out. I honestly love doing that.... Drive your LAV past the redline, cap a few fools, get back in and drive away:D |
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Posted - 2012.12.02 19:06:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Free Beers wrote:the real problem here is there are not enough heavies. Mr. Zitro hates them so please please every start using them. Also he really loves it when you drive an LAV towards him and jumped out. I honestly love doing that.... Drive your LAV past the redline, cap a few fools, get back in and drive away:D
Bahaha. Yesterday i hacked a blaster turret that was behind enemy lines, but only barely. Then, i would run over to it, kill some reds that were hiding in the red zone, and then sprint back to safety every 14 or so seconds. Racked up quite a few kills + i felt awesome!
Sorry, off topic^ |
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Posted - 2012.12.02 19:19:00 -
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That does seem absurdly expensive.
That said, proto suits are for corp battles and are meant to be used sparingly. So don't expect the price to drop too much. |
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Posted - 2012.12.02 20:40:00 -
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...Is you don't want to be on bottom. |
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Posted - 2012.12.02 22:22:00 -
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I have also noticed there is a huge jump in price with the heavy dropsuits vs scout, assault, or logistics. While heavys should be more expensive overall, I'm not sure if going from 80k a dropsuit (proto heavy vk0) to 240k (proto heavy vk1) is balanced.
Although I could be wrong and that vk1 is just that powerful? O.o
In any case, I agree with them being more expensive than other dropsuits but the scaling of the heavy dropsuit seems too expensive. Still working up to a proto heavy suit however. |
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Posted - 2012.12.02 22:25:00 -
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They need more slots, armor, and CPU/PG tojustify the cost in SP and ISK for heavy suits tbh. A general across the board buff |
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Posted - 2012.12.02 22:25:00 -
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I see no reason ever to go beyond T1 stats suits, simply because ever since the change to reduce uber guys killing everyone they all have the same armour and shield amounts. |
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Posted - 2012.12.02 22:26:00 -
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J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:They need more slots, armor, and CPU/PG tojustify the cost in SP and ISK for heavy suits tbh. A general across the board buff They used to, but because it did anyone with a proto suit had stupidly high health and was impossible to kill, it needed more balancing. |
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Posted - 2012.12.02 23:55:00 -
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There is no problem with heavies. ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png)
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Posted - 2012.12.03 02:21:00 -
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Finn Kempers wrote:I see no reason ever to go beyond T1 stats suits, simply because ever since the change to reduce uber guys killing everyone they all have the same armour and shield amounts. Increased PG/CPU and slots means you can equip more and better stuff to buff the suits.
The best fitting you can manage with a Standard Heavy suit will still be a LOT easier to drop than the best fitting you can make with a Proto Heavy. |
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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2012.12.03 02:28:00 -
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If the price was even 150,000, it would be much, but at least there I could run it once in a while.
Maybe the nerf they gave it when it had more slots didn't come with an ISK nerf to justify it's complete crap. |
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Posted - 2012.12.03 07:06:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:I have also noticed there is a huge jump in price with the heavy dropsuits vs scout, assault, or logistics. While heavys should be more expensive overall, I'm not sure if going from 80k a dropsuit (proto heavy vk0) to 240k (proto heavy vk1) is balanced.
Although I could be wrong and that vk1 is just that powerful? O.o
In any case, I agree with them being more expensive than other dropsuits but the scaling of the heavy dropsuit seems too expensive. Still working up to a proto heavy suit however.
As above and what everyone said about the heavy suit being expensive, you are right. The heavy suits are expensive and the prototypes are outrageously expensive for no real reason. Looking at them youl be able to compete with proto assaults, once. When you die once youl be broke so they are for corp battles only, as the optimal proto fit will run you between 350 and 500k depending on what kind of build your going for. It is unfortionet that our proto is basically unusable due to its price, but the heavy type 2 is all that is needed. I dont have my A series yet and i excel with this dropsuit. It is the most expensive standard dropsuit but still affordable and extremely effective if you exsuast the capabilitys of this monster. The B series will be even better, but most likely out of price range for pubs and reserved for corp battles as well. Use the heavy 2 guys, you have skill points for a reason. Put them to good use |
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Posted - 2012.12.03 07:11:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:the real problem here is there are not enough heavies. Mr. Zitro hates them so please please every start using them. Also he really loves it when you drive an LAV towards him and jumped out.
Lol he rages at me every time i catch him with it. Its really the only way to compete with proto assults for us heavys. Cant run proto armor so we wont survive the extremely slow sprint to close the distance to the proto AR, thats really our only option. No other real way for us to counter that other than a lucky close quarters encounter around the corner. Wish he understood that |
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Posted - 2012.12.03 07:29:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Just checked the prices of assault suit type-II variants. I should rage, right? I should. *Looks at corp tag* I'll do it in a closet later >_>
Awww! Sota, you do not need to hide your rage in the closet. You can rage. Just remember to Brooklyn Rage! when you do. That way it is epic, and funny. Ha-ha. I'm serious though. You should not be afraid to rage out once in a while. Zion TCD or otherwise. Just remember to keep it well.. Chilled I suppose. Hard to aptly describe here, but you know what I mean. I hope.
Anyway I agree, and this is coming from someone whom is not a 'Heavy' class soldier. The dent in a 'Heavies' pay stub is steep. Utterly too steep if you ask me. Especially considering how much they have to dump into skills alone as it stands. Being or even wanting to be a 'Heavy' class soldier (Duster) is pretty much a kick to the balls, and handicaped. It's like playing Demon's Souls with one hand. It sort of feels like CCP does not want 'Heavies' in their game. That is my honest opinion. Especially considering how hard it is on them, and how hard it is to be a proper 'Heavy' in-game even. It's worst then playing an LJN game. Yeah it's that bad. I'm an 'Assault' class and I call it "easy mode". Simply because, it is. That said the game itself is so utterly unbalanced at the moment it's like being thrown into a 32X title, and told play it smiling. It's not a lot of fun. I love Dust514, but the fact remains there is a lot to overcome in this beta and this build. It's a mess and that is me being generous. Being a 'Heavy' though is as I said; getting kicked in the balls repeatedly. CCP are you biased towards 'Heavies'? Seems like it. |
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Posted - 2012.12.03 07:37:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Just checked the prices of assault suit type-II variants. I should rage, right? I should. *Looks at corp tag* I'll do it in a closet later >_> Awww! Sota, you do not need to hide your rage in the closet. You can rage. Just remember to Brooklyn Rage! when you do. That way it is epic, and funny. Ha-ha. I'm serious though. You should not be afraid to rage out once in a while. Zion TCD or otherwise. Just remember to keep it well.. Chilled I suppose. Hard to aptly describe here, but you know what I mean. I hope. Anyway I agree, and this is coming from someone whom is not a 'Heavy' class soldier. The dent in a 'Heavies' pay stub is steep. Utterly too steep if you ask me. Especially considering how much they have to dump into skills alone as it stands. Being or even wanting to be a 'Heavy' class soldier (Duster) is pretty much a kick to the balls, and handicaped. It's like playing Demon's Souls with one hand. It sort of feels like CCP does not want 'Heavies' in their game. That is my honest opinion. Especially considering how hard it is on them, and how hard it is to be a proper 'Heavy' in-game even. It's worst then playing an LJN game. Yeah it's that bad. I'm an 'Assault' class and I call it "easy mode". Simply because, it is. That said the game itself is so utterly unbalanced at the moment it's like being thrown into a 32X title, and told play it smiling. It's not a lot of fun. I love Dust514, but the fact remains there is a lot to overcome in this beta and this build. It's a mess and that is me being generous. Being a 'Heavy' though is as I said; getting kicked in the balls repeatedly. CCP are you biased towards 'Heavies'? Seems like it.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 07:38:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Just checked the prices of assault suit type-II variants. I should rage, right? I should. *Looks at corp tag* I'll do it in a closet later >_> Awww! Sota, you do not need to hide your rage in the closet. You can rage. Just remember to Brooklyn Rage! when you do. That way it is epic, and funny. Ha-ha. I'm serious though. You should not be afraid to rage out once in a while. Zion TCD or otherwise. Just remember to keep it well.. Chilled I suppose. Hard to aptly describe here, but you know what I mean. I hope. Anyway I agree, and this is coming from someone whom is not a 'Heavy' class soldier. The dent in a 'Heavies' pay stub is steep. Utterly too steep if you ask me. Especially considering how much they have to dump into skills alone as it stands. Being or even wanting to be a 'Heavy' class soldier (Duster) is pretty much a kick to the balls, and handicaped. It's like playing Demon's Souls with one hand. It sort of feels like CCP does not want 'Heavies' in their game. That is my honest opinion. Especially considering how hard it is on them, and how hard it is to be a proper 'Heavy' in-game even. It's worst then playing an LJN game. Yeah it's that bad. I'm an 'Assault' class and I call it "easy mode". Simply because, it is. That said the game itself is so utterly unbalanced at the moment it's like being thrown into a 32X title, and told play it smiling. It's not a lot of fun. I love Dust514, but the fact remains there is a lot to overcome in this beta and this build. It's a mess and that is me being generous. Being a 'Heavy' though is as I said; getting kicked in the balls repeatedly. CCP are you biased towards 'Heavies'? Seems like it.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 11:23:00 -
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Finn Kempers wrote:I see no reason ever to go beyond T1 stats suits, simply because ever since the change to reduce uber guys killing everyone they all have the same armour and shield amounts.
The T2's have an extra lowslot. |
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Posted - 2012.12.03 11:25:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Finn Kempers wrote:I see no reason ever to go beyond T1 stats suits, simply because ever since the change to reduce uber guys killing everyone they all have the same armour and shield amounts. Increased PG/CPU and slots means you can equip more and better stuff to buff the suits. The best fitting you can manage with a Standard Heavy suit will still be a LOT easier to drop than the best fitting you can make with a Proto Heavy.
The proto heavy only has 1 more high slot, and 1 more low slot than the standard heavy suit.
In regards to the rest of this thread. That market isnt working now, once it does, it will be alot easier to afford those protosuits. |
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Posted - 2012.12.03 11:34:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote: Increased PG/CPU and slots means you can equip more and better stuff to buff the suits.
The best fitting you can manage with a Standard Heavy suit will still be a LOT easier to drop than the best fitting you can make with a Proto Heavy.
This is true if you believe 181 less HP on a heavy is a LOT less. Because that's the difference HP wise between a standard and a proto heavy. You can already fit a proto HMG and 2 x complex shield extenders on a standard heavy. The only stuff you get extra on a proto heavy are another shield extender and an armor plate (which is 181 extra HP) plus a sidearm and a grenade possibly. You will on the other hand also be 10% slower due to the armor plate...
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:38:00 -
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'Heavies' need lovin' period. Ha-ha. Personally I think they get shafted in more ways then one, but if you read my posting then you already know that. I like to live in militia and standard tech just simply based on the idea that I like to take them to the extremes and cram as much into them, or on them as possible. The more passive skills you have the better. There really is no "bad" skill in my opinion. It just comes down to how you play, and your prefrence. Meaning simply that it comes down to what you need upfront. I'm still leveling up passive skills, but you can cram a lot onto those dropsuits that most do not realize was possible. Now not everything will always fit.. Never. There is no way to cram proto everything on standard and militia grade tech dropsuits. That is just a fact, but can surprise people by what you can sneak onto them.
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Posted - 2012.12.04 22:11:00 -
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Posted - 2012.12.04 22:34:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Free Beers wrote:the real problem here is there are not enough heavies. Mr. Zitro hates them so please please every start using them. Also he really loves it when you drive an LAV towards him and jumped out. Lol he rages at me every time i catch him with it. Its really the only way to compete with proto assults for us heavys. Cant run proto armor so we wont survive the extremely slow sprint to close the distance to the proto AR, thats really our only option. No other real way for us to counter that other than a lucky close quarters encounter around the corner. Wish he understood that I guess you do not understand that Heavies ARE NOT SLAYERS!!!!!!! They are not meant to be able to run around the match killing everyone. THEY ARE DEFENSIVE!!! Meant to stay near cover and buildings. I wish people understood that. Guess not. |
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:48:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Is once we get to level 4 on our suits, we may as well stop. Do you really believe 60 or so more CPU is worth 250,000 ISK? It's not, even with another mod.
Min / Maxers will most definitely do this.
I've spent 45 day in eve training a lvl 5 skill for +3% to something. Not to mention, I also trained Gallente only for 5 years. I trained shield skills that would increase the buffer between first strike and tank starting, all to 5. I trained most missile skills to 5 just to use the utility slot on some ships.
After all that time on Gallente, there wasn't much more to train as Gallente. However, when I trained the next 2 races, I tore through their skills and can fly nearly anything out of 3 races with near perfect skills. Now, my abilities suck as anything but an inty pilot, but i digress.
So while you may not seed the benefit per cost, some people will take it because they can fit that one mod with better skills that just might help them kill you.
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:05:00 -
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DarkShadowFox wrote:they run like a fat person eating cake...
walking up stairs |
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