DUST Search - The problem with Heavies.

HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:

SoTa PoP wrote:

Is once we get to level 4 on our suits, we may as well stop. Do you really believe 60 or so more CPU is worth 250,000 ISK? It's not, even with another mod.

If you haven't noticed yet, my complaint is the last variant to the Type-II series. For a heavy fighting in higher tier games where everyone is rocking proto weapons, we turn into paper without the right mods. But to get the power to use those mods we need to farm for hours and hours, 150k a good game, and this will care for only half the cost of a single suit, no gun or mods.

So since I can't possibly afford the proto suit variant, I must use the advanced one. Which is fine, I can stomp on anyone not geared. But once I come across a black suit, my fun time will end and everything I have to miss out on due to outrages price comes to shine.

I'm not asking for a buff for heavies - honestly I think it's the mods that need work. But a price reduction on our proto suit. Why is the armor variant only 1/3 the price of the shield one?

I can understand where you are coming from but heavies have more hp than any other Class and if you are in the objective (where a heavy should be) we ar emost likley in the range of your HMG...so there is your trade off....i would say for pub matches you are correct but to say theat yo should never spec into proto because of the cost ...you should join an EVE corp and that will not be an issue for them(your suit cost)SO will you ever use it?Im gonna say yes...just not now...wearing proto assault/scout/logi right now is just as dumb.


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SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.02 03:52:00 - [1] - Quote Is once we get to level 4 on our suits, we may as well stop. Do you really believe 60 or so more CPU is worth 250,000 ISK? It's not, even with another mod. If you haven't noticed yet, my complaint is the last variant to the Type-II series. For a heavy fighting in higher tier games where everyone is rocking proto weapons, we turn into paper without the right mods. But to get the power to use those mods we need to farm for hours and hours, 150k a good game, and this will care for only half the cost of a single suit, no gun or mods. So since I can't possibly afford the proto suit variant, I must use the advanced one. Which is fine, I can stomp on anyone not geared. But once I come across a black suit, my fun time will end and everything I have to miss out on due to outrages price comes to shine. I'm not asking for a buff for heavies - honestly I think it's the mods that need work. But a price reduction on our proto suit. Why is the armor variant only 1/3 the price of the shield one?
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.02 04:15:00 - [2] - Quote Just checked the prices of assault suit type-II variants. I should rage, right? I should. Looks at corp tag I'll do it in a closet later >_>
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.03 02:28:00 - [3] - Quote If the price was even 150,000, it would be much, but at least there I could run it once in a while. Maybe the nerf they gave it when it had more slots didn't come with an ISK nerf to justify it's complete crap.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.05 03:48:00 - [4] - Quote Someone said in another thread heavies only purpose was defensive. That's utterly wrong. We're simply perfect FOR defenses, but we can handle multiple roles like any class really can. That statement is also ignoring the biggest part of this game CCP is trying to create: The ability to make our own perfect soldier however we chose. If we're feeling gimped on options, then CCP is doing something wrong. Hope to see a price fix the next build :)
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:24:00 - [5] - Quote I disagree that upping your suits tier should also up HP. The upgrade in CPU/PC or w/e it's called is enough of an upgrade. I rather like the fact that if someone rushes to proto suit it won't mean they just got the best upgrade possible. It only means they can now use the best upgrades possible. You're still a sitting duck to militia who put SP into passive skills, rather then a suit with tons of potential and no ability to use it. If they upgrade the suits armor/shield per tier, it would just create a very large barrier between vets and newbs.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.05 20:25:00 - [6] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: i miss when scout suits were decent. now they are tissue paper assault suits You mean popping out of no where with shotguns or sniping you in the face, tissue papers. Some tissues are so soft too, way better then the cheap stuff :)
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.07 22:17:00 - [7] - Quote Necrodermis wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: You mean popping out of no where with shotguns or sniping you in the face, tissue papers. Some tissues are so soft too, way better then the cheap stuff :) i do the same feats with a assault suits. more cap/cpu, more mod fittings. but i get ahead of myself. let's all predict how they are going to nerf the heavies once they get access to armor and shield hardeners. Removal. I don't see how Heavies have a future with what I hear of the next build. Plasma > heavies.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.08 01:03:00 - [8] - Quote HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Is once we get to level 4 on our suits, we may as well stop. Do you really believe 60 or so more CPU is worth 250,000 ISK? It's not, even with another mod. If you haven't noticed yet, my complaint is the last variant to the Type-II series. For a heavy fighting in higher tier games where everyone is rocking proto weapons, we turn into paper without the right mods. But to get the power to use those mods we need to farm for hours and hours, 150k a good game, and this will care for only half the cost of a single suit, no gun or mods. So since I can't possibly afford the proto suit variant, I must use the advanced one. Which is fine, I can stomp on anyone not geared. But once I come across a black suit, my fun time will end and everything I have to miss out on due to outrages price comes to shine. I'm not asking for a buff for heavies - honestly I think it's the mods that need work. But a price reduction on our proto suit. Why is the armor variant only 1/3 the price of the shield one? I can understand where you are coming from but heavies have more hp than any other Class and if you are in the objective (where a heavy should be) we ar emost likley in the range of your HMG...so there is your trade off....i would say for pub matches you are correct but to say theat yo should never spec into proto because of the cost ...you should join an EVE corp and that will not be an issue for them(your suit cost)SO will you ever use it?Im gonna say yes...just not now...wearing proto assault/scout/logi right now is just as dumb. I've never seen you before, but your nearly 100 likes means you've been around. So I'm going to ask - am I suppose to only do one thing in a suit, and only one thing? Heavies ONLY defend? I have no other choice? I should only use HMG? Heavies are like any other suit in this game - they're suppose to have choices in how they want to play. And one of the choices I should be allowed to make is not have any real contact to the EVE side, still be able to play this game and use all the high end tier equipment if I play enough. I shouldn't have to spend 100 hours more grinding ISK just because CCP expects each and every single one of us to have friends on the EVE side. I actually do thanks to Zion, but if I hadn't been in this corp, I wouldn't know anyone and I'd be up ***** creek if I didn't own a PC to go looking for them. The price is broken.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.08 07:10:00 - [9] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: This is just a quick suggestion that I haven't really thought but I'll post it anyway: What if proto heavy suits had a 1 hp per second repair rate in their armour automatically? Meaning, if you make a proto heavy with 2 shield extenders and 2 armour plates for maximum health, you'll still be able to regenerate health, but at a very slow rate. If you added a basic armour repairer then it would be 3 hp per second instead. This would be a small thing, but I believe it would make them more widely used. Anyone have reason why/why not? I can give you a somewhat decent why not - it's worthless. Ever run as a heavy with 800 armor and a 5/hp a sec mod? Doesn't do us a lick of good. It helps assaults and logi - they don't have much health to begin with, but for us, we're just fatties who are slower, bigger, don't hit harder, but can last a whole second longer if attacked then assaults.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.08 17:51:00 - [10] - Quote A quick warning to people using supply depots to save expensive heavy suits - it deletes your suit when you change it. Tested this - it's true. Seems it only deletes if you've taken a certain amount of damage though, since one time my FG suit didn't delete.

SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.12.08 21:02:00 - [11] - Quote Switched out of a forge suit with 75% dmg on it - lost the suit. Checked next game to see if 11 would turn to 12 suits - nope, still gone. So yup, deletes the suit.