I really don't see the point, the way this game is set up.

And trust me, if it's turned on it will be a disaster and kill this game comepletely.

I'm guessing those of you that want it have never played an FPS with it.

And when you factor in suit cost etc, and some useless ramdom TK's you in your 250 isk suit, do you honestly think that guy will not just spend the rest of the game TK ing blue dots.

Every one of mine will be ten of yours.

It's amusing that it's STB and Warriors that have posted the two 'No' replies to these topics since many people would consider TKing them a civic duty.

However... I'm inclined to agree with them for keeping FF off in pub matches for the time being. Enable it in Corp matches, or have the option for 'Hard Mode' Instant battles where FF is turned on.

MAG darling, MAG had a full friendly fire !!! And it was awsome !!! + 1000h on it.

Afraid of being push out of your redline ?

Oh we know there are plenty who think they will just TK us with impunity.

We have guns too remember.

A militia suit with a monkey gun costs nothing, but will be good for laughs.

I really don't see the point, the way this game is set up.

And trust me, if it's turned on it will be a disaster and kill this game comepletely.

I'm guessing those of you that want it have never played an FPS with it.

And when you factor in suit cost etc, and some useless ramdom TK's you in your 250 isk suit, do you honestly think that guy will not just spend the rest of the game TK ing blue dots.

Every one of mine will be ten of yours.

MAG friendly fire was 50% not full friendly fire.
Also Meode, Ice has a point. While you have a bigger gun, 2 breach forge in the back is game over for any tank. I like the warriors game of "bobble-tank" though. Much better than actually killing you.

Fine, if you want us to go after you every game you're in with us, bring it on.



EDIT... 1,000 hrs. Is that all.

Exactly, it was 50% for a reason. Zipper made a lot of mistakes but their FF worked out quite well IMO.

It's amusing that it's STB and Warriors that have posted the two 'No' replies to these topics since many people would consider TKing them a civic duty.

However... I'm inclined to agree with them for keeping FF off in pub matches for the time being. Enable it in Corp matches, or have the option for 'Hard Mode' Instant battles where FF is turned on.

I think the next Dust Beta event should turn on friendly fire. I think it would be great to see how the game feels with that feature enabled.

the way things run in new eden it makes sense to have it on back stabbing cut throat universe

u get pepps in eve turning on there corp and turning defenses off leading fleets to there doom etc

main thing is doing it in highsec incurs penalties from concord (police)

highsec blue dots take no damage or up to 10%

lowsec 20-30%

nullsec 30-50%

just used these numbers as an example

Blue dots are terrible all ready.. I dont need to incurr deaths from them as well!!

MAG darling, MAG had a full friendly fire !!! And it was awsome !!! + 1000h on it.

Afraid of being push out of your redline ?

I have mix feelings of this myself. just because i know there will be griefers that want to blow up spendy toys.

But if you add in the risk of them taking a isk lost according on what they blow up and the total value of it in weapons mods and suit it might work out. So lets say omni is pissed at tanks and thinks he is going to Team Kill my 2.5m isk sagaris fit he will also feel my pain when he does it and takes a 2.5 m isk loss. This loss of isk will make people think twice before team killing anyone.

It used to be 100% and included headshot damage multipliers. Then there was this glitch early on where when you spawned, occasionally you would automatically knife the area in front of you, (it was an honest glitch, although I know of a few people who would do it just to troll.) Couple this with your knife being a 15 foot lightsaber of doom in a room that had 16 guys all in extreme proximity, and you had a lulzworthy start to every game.

I'd like to see FF treated in relative terms to the security of the battle. Hi-sec with no FF, moving into null-sec gradually increasing FF up to either 50% or a full 100% when you've reached Null-sec.

Where's your sense of adventure men? (^.^)>----------(X.X)

More than isk, I would rather their skill point be decked. Say for every team kill it would be -1000 SP or something like that.

Just my 0.02 AUR

this ^. if it ends up costing people they wont abuse it. its one of the only ways to deal with grenade, HMG and orbital strike spam.

You honestly think I'd care about losing SP or ISK, dream on blue dot.

Kill me and I will kill every blue thing I see.

I really don't see the point, the way this game is set up.

And trust me, if it's turned on it will be a disaster and kill this game comepletely.

I'm guessing those of you that want it have never played an FPS with it.

And when you factor in suit cost etc, and some useless ramdom TK's you in your 250 isk suit, do you honestly think that guy will not just spend the rest of the game TK ing blue dots.

Every one of mine will be ten of yours.

I have mix feelings of this myself. just because i know there will be griefers that want to blow up spendy toys.

But if you add in the risk of them taking a isk lost according on what they blow up and the total value of it in weapons mods and suit it might work out. So lets say omni is pissed at tanks and thinks he is going to Team Kill my 2.5m isk sagaris fit he will also feel my pain when he does it and takes a 2.5 m isk loss. This loss of isk will make people think twice before team killing anyone.

Simple solution (others already mentioned)
HighSec = FF Off
LowSec= FF On, at 50%
NulSec= FF on, at 100%

HOWEVER, you need a game mechanic where the person that commits friendly fire gets -50WP for every teamkill AND loses the cost of the victim's suit. If the teamkill was accidental, no worries... it'll probably only happen once, if that. The loss of isk will sting a little, but no biggy. If it's done on purpose, the teamkiller will go broke pretty quickly.

Can't go broke in BPO's even a BPO with a 30,000 monkey gun will take a while.

I've definately changed my mind now.

Turn it on CCP.

Simple solution (others already mentioned)
HighSec = FF Off
LowSec= FF On, at 50%
NulSec= FF on, at 100%

HOWEVER, you need a game mechanic where the person that commits friendly fire gets -50WP for every teamkill AND loses the cost of the victim's suit. If the teamkill was accidental, no worries... it'll probably only happen once, if that. The loss of isk will sting a little, but no biggy. If it's done on purpose, the teamkiller will go broke pretty quickly.

I play all my games that allow it, I see playing without ff as pretty weak sauce.

BF3 pc hardcore only, PC counter-strike, MAG and MGO have ff and are the only way to appreciate those games. If you run in BF3 with re-gen health, please don't speak as that is as easy-mode as you can get.

The best ff that I have come across is in MGO, for those few of you that have played this you will remember what it was and why it was so well implemented.

In MGO the aggressor had their gun lock for a set amount of time (3 sec or so) which in a middle of a gun fight is death. This concept was rooted into the lore of the game.

Each merc was hired by their PMC (Private Military Corporation) and nano-hives were injected into them to be super soldiers. These nano-hives had other attributes such as being able to unlock your gun. This safety aspect was so that the hired merc couldn't turn around and kill his employer because he is being payed more from the opposition.

So in game when you shot your own teammate, YOUR gun would lock because it recognizes that it is a friendly your killing and locks the gun for a set time. Now the bullets you put into your teammates back still does damage and if he was on the last bit of health he would die, or you could keep shooting him wait for your gun to unlock shoot him again and repeat until he dies.

This would be a more interesting way of setting up FF because like some have stated that they don't care and will TK at will, this will definitely discourage that type of player cause they would leave themselves vulnerable to enemy fire.

The suggestions of paying for what you broke is also good idea to use, I am all for anything that makes people think before shooting.

... In MGO the aggressor had their gun lock for a set amount of time (3 sec or so) which in a middle of a gun fight is death. This concept was rooted into the lore of the game ...

+ GêP

This is a fantastic idea. Looks like it wouldn't help against nade TKs or high alpha damage weapons, so you would still need to do damage % scaling with security level and have WP and ISK penalties.