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ECHO PACK
Wraith Shadow Guards
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Posted - 2012.11.28 01:30:00 -
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if possible in a update can blueplint dropsuits for higher tier be available in the store for AUR |
shade emry3
Conspiratus Immortalis
18
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Posted - 2012.11.28 02:30:00 -
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ECHO PACK wrote:if possible in a update can blueplint dropsuits for higher tier be available in the store for AUR
They just let out a Caldari and amarr variant. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1041
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Posted - 2012.11.28 02:39:00 -
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ECHO PACK wrote:if possible in a update can blueplint dropsuits for higher tier be available in the store for AUR
We have seen standard suits to this point I don't think they should make higher when it comes to bpo because they are forever. I am cool with aur for a monthly rental packs that include using higher tier suits but nothing perm |
Encharrion
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
104
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Posted - 2012.11.28 09:14:00 -
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I strongly disagree, the whole point of higher tier suits is that they are strong but require high maintenance to continue running them, a bpo for AUR would simply be broken and furthermore p2win. I'm not sure about the rental idea but I don't agree with the time period specified, I would prefer day long rentals, with maybe 3 day long rentals at most. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2012.11.28 10:18:00 -
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No thank you. |
HERCULEZE
Neanderthal Nation
8
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Posted - 2012.11.28 10:28:00 -
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I agree with the above, it becomes too pay2win if we are running anything higher than a Tech 1 BPO. I would love to see some basic weapon BPO's (apart from millitia). |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.11.28 11:18:00 -
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ECHO PACK wrote:if possible in a update can blueplint dropsuits for higher tier be available in the store for AUR
If you're asking for BPOs then this suggestion is wrong in every way. |
R F Gyro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
315
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Posted - 2012.11.28 11:59:00 -
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I'd love to have prototype BPOs.
I don't want anyone else to have them.
Guess that means I don't support their existence, sorry. -1 |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2012.11.28 12:38:00 -
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-1 because there ought to be some cost in having higher performance. |
Doktor Worm
BetaMax.
8
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Posted - 2012.11.28 13:32:00 -
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I suspect you will get improved dropsuit BPOs from faction warfare/salvage at some point. However agree that anything above Tech 1 is going to break the game at this point, by making it pay to win. |
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Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
191
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Posted - 2012.11.28 16:36:00 -
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That would be pay to win. No thanks. |
Nicol Bolas Planeswalker
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.11.28 16:55:00 -
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I'm not a huge fan of this for reasons stated by everyone else here. Keep in mind however that high cost protogear is meaningful only if you are not playing eve. I fully intend to start playing eve only to mine isk. I will always run protogear. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:23:00 -
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ECHO PACK wrote:if possible in a update can blueplint dropsuits for higher tier be available in the store for AUR
I like the idea. Dropsuits do need modules and they cost a lot of money. So this way its not pay2win. |
Nicol Bolas Planeswalker
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:01:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:ECHO PACK wrote:if possible in a update can blueplint dropsuits for higher tier be available in the store for AUR I like the idea. Dropsuits do need modules and they cost a lot of money. So this way its not pay2win.
The problem with this is that you'll have BPO suits running more BPO modules, and so were back to the same problem. High end Aur BPO is essentially pay to win, but any corporation with isk to burn equates this anyways. I've heard EVE capsuleers can easily mine crazy amounts of isk in proportion to the cost of our equipment. The issue here is that casual gamers or those who are not willing to invest in aur, or an eve account, are at a noticible disadvantage. I imagine CCP wants to keep dust accessible to everyone, otherwise they'll have a F2P game with a limited number of players. Doesn't sound exactly profitable. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:06:00 -
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Nicol Bolas Planeswalker wrote:The problem with this is that you'll have BPO suits running more BPO modules, and so were back to the same problem. High end Aur BPO is essentially pay to win, but any corporation with isk to burn equates this anyways. I've heard EVE capsuleers can easily mine crazy amounts of isk in proportion to the cost of our equipment. The issue here is that casual gamers or those who are not willing to invest in aur, or an eve account, are at a noticible disadvantage. I imagine CCP wants to keep dust accessible to everyone, otherwise they'll have a F2P game with a limited number of players. Doesn't sound exactly profitable.
True dude. But militia BPO modules are an absolute waste for most part. There are pros and cons to everything. I just like the idea of higher tier BPOs and dont mind spending even 200000 AUR for those. Having higher end suits doent not guarantee wins too.
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Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:10:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Nicol Bolas Planeswalker wrote:The problem with this is that you'll have BPO suits running more BPO modules, and so were back to the same problem. High end Aur BPO is essentially pay to win, but any corporation with isk to burn equates this anyways. I've heard EVE capsuleers can easily mine crazy amounts of isk in proportion to the cost of our equipment. The issue here is that casual gamers or those who are not willing to invest in aur, or an eve account, are at a noticible disadvantage. I imagine CCP wants to keep dust accessible to everyone, otherwise they'll have a F2P game with a limited number of players. Doesn't sound exactly profitable. True dude. But militia BPO modules are an absolute waste for most part. There are pros and cons to everything. I just like the idea of higher tier BPOs and dont mind spending even 200000 AUR for those. Having higher end suits doent not guarantee wins too.
Just buy the aur version of whatever item you're after. When you've managed to spend 200k AUR then just buy some more. It's like a BPO that scales to how much you actually use! Awesome! |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
690
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:27:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Just buy the aur version of whatever item you're after. When you've managed to spend 200k AUR then just buy some more. It's like a BPO that scales to how much you actually use! Awesome!
Dude I have spent over 240000 AUR so far on dropsuips and AUR mods. It runs out pretty fast when you are getting OHKed by dropships in the air lol. You should know |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:36:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Just buy the aur version of whatever item you're after. When you've managed to spend 200k AUR then just buy some more. It's like a BPO that scales to how much you actually use! Awesome! Dude I have spent over 240000 AUR so far on dropsuips and AUR mods. It runs out pretty fast when you are getting OHKed by dropships in the air lol. You should know
So what more do you want? BPO is an awful idea unless you expect the game to only last a few months. We've been in closed beta longer than some games have goon from boom to bust. Think more long term. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2012.11.28 19:27:00 -
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I like the idea of AUR priced BPOs being more widely available but only for Meta 1 and Militia level gear. To introduce upper Meta BPOs would damage the over all balance and quality of the game moving it dangerously close to (if not outright into) 'pay to win' territory. The higher the Meta Level of the gear in question (suit, vehicle or mod) the more damage to the overall game it does.
Dust comprises a war between immortals where control of resources, rather than death, provides the true gain. And were loss of resources, rather than kills, are how one truly wounds an enemy. Remove the risk of losing those suits, mods, vehicles et al while still allowing someone to field the best gear and you cut the heart out of both balance and fun within D514.
0.02 ISK Cross |
Nicol Bolas Planeswalker
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.11.28 21:57:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:I like the idea of AUR priced BPOs being more widely available but only for Meta 1 and Militia level gear. To introduce upper Meta BPOs would damage the over all balance and quality of the game moving it dangerously close to (if not outright into) 'pay to win' territory. The higher the Meta Level of the gear in question (suit, vehicle or mod) the more damage to the overall game it does.
Dust comprises a war between immortals where control of resources, rather than death, provides the true gain. And were loss of resources, rather than kills, are how one truly wounds an enemy. Remove the risk of losing those suits, mods, vehicles et al while still allowing someone to field the best gear and you cut the heart out of both balance and fun within D514.
0.02 ISK Cross
This is true, but how do we combat rich eve players financing dust corps? I intend to start playing eve so I can spam proto gear. This is in effect the same as upper tier BPO. |
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HECATONCHIRES COTTUS
Doomheim
14
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Posted - 2012.11.28 22:27:00 -
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Encharrion wrote:I strongly disagree, the whole point of higher tier suits is that they are strong but require high maintenance to continue running them, a bpo for AUR would simply be broken and furthermore p2win. I'm not sure about the rental idea but I don't agree with the time period specified, I would prefer day long rentals, with maybe 3 day long rentals at most.
So I rent it for 1 day and hit my cap and dont need it till next week....lol makes sense.(sarcasm)
There will be BPO vko-1-2-3 etc, and there will be people who by them. That will determine your commitment to the game and will be a transaction made between CCP and its paying customers.If you choose to be a non paying customer than your input on the matter is invalid.
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Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.11.28 22:32:00 -
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Free Beers wrote: We have seen standard suits to this point I don't think they should make higher when it comes to bpo because they are forever. I am cool with aur for a monthly rental packs that include using higher tier suits but nothing perm
they shouldn't have bpo higher than standard for anything, all it does is create stagnation. |
HECATONCHIRES COTTUS
Doomheim
14
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Posted - 2012.11.28 22:35:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:ECHO PACK wrote:if possible in a update can blueplint dropsuits for higher tier be available in the store for AUR I like the idea. Dropsuits do need modules and they cost a lot of money. So this way its not pay2win. All higher tier suits already have the same HP without paying for modules.Agreed not pay 2 win.Higher suit, more modules .....more expensive suit.
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HECATONCHIRES COTTUS
Doomheim
14
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Posted - 2012.11.28 22:39:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:Free Beers wrote: We have seen standard suits to this point I don't think they should make higher when it comes to bpo because they are forever. I am cool with aur for a monthly rental packs that include using higher tier suits but nothing perm
they shouldn't have bpo higher than standard for anything, all it does is create stagnation.
LOL ....no we Goons wouldnt want the PS3 user to be able to fight off the ISK equipped hoards of assshats we will be equipping once we can do transfers and we are on the same server...no no no WE CANT HAVE THAT......lol
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.11.28 22:40:00 -
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Higher tier stuff is for high risk high reward. With BPOs there is no financial risk, so it would be no risk high reward. I am against this idea because of this. |
HECATONCHIRES COTTUS
Doomheim
14
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Posted - 2012.11.28 22:45:00 -
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Nicol Bolas Planeswalker wrote:I'm not a huge fan of this for reasons stated by everyone else here. Keep in mind however that high cost protogear is meaningful only if you are not playing eve. I fully intend to start playing eve only to mine isk. I will always run protogear.
TRANSLATION: blah blah blah...blah blah bblah blah.I will be PAYING a SUBSCRIPTION so I can mine to make ISK .So I can do transfers, and always rock PROTO gear.
lol pay2 win |
HECATONCHIRES COTTUS
Doomheim
14
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Posted - 2012.11.28 22:48:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Higher tier stuff is for high risk high reward. With BPOs there is no financial risk, so it would be no risk high reward. I am against this idea because of this.
Do you mean like redline snipers wearing Dragonflies and using MLT sniper rifle BPO'S?(sarcasm) |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.11.29 02:01:00 -
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ECHO PACK wrote:if possible in a update can blueplint dropsuits for higher tier be available in the store for AUR This just isn't a good idea. You should never be able to have an unlimited number of any suit above militia grade, and I'd personally be happier if even those had a cost associate with them. Using higher tier gear should have risk associated with it. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2012.11.29 02:09:00 -
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Nicol Bolas Planeswalker wrote:Cross Atu wrote:I like the idea of AUR priced BPOs being more widely available but only for Meta 1 and Militia level gear. To introduce upper Meta BPOs would damage the over all balance and quality of the game moving it dangerously close to (if not outright into) 'pay to win' territory. The higher the Meta Level of the gear in question (suit, vehicle or mod) the more damage to the overall game it does.
Dust comprises a war between immortals where control of resources, rather than death, provides the true gain. And were loss of resources, rather than kills, are how one truly wounds an enemy. Remove the risk of losing those suits, mods, vehicles et al while still allowing someone to field the best gear and you cut the heart out of both balance and fun within D514.
0.02 ISK Cross This is true, but how do we combat rich eve players financing dust corps? I intend to start playing eve so I can spam proto gear. This is in effect the same as upper tier BPO.
CCP has said for a long time that they intend to place constraints of some kind (the idea of a tax has been floated) on currency transfers between games so as to limit that type of problem. They've not yet released the specific details but have reiterated time and again that while Dust and EVE will eventually have fully integrated economies, they plan to take that process very slowly to ensure balance.
All that being said I think there's a very simple change which would mitigate much of the EVE/Dust currency imbalance. Just shift the decimal point a place or two. If all ISK rewards and costs where higher it would change nothing for the D514 side of things but it would reduce the impact EVE ISK could have on Dust.
Normalize (doesn't have to be totally equivalent, there are other factors like production, transport, expend-ability and resources required for production all to consider when creating a cost baseline) the effective value of the currency within both games and things should be reasonably stable. Because at that point while you'd still gain an advantage by playing an EVE character it would be more commensurate with the additional player time spent working towards goals within New Eden and that retains internal balance (for a pure Dust side example, all of us who play in the beta will have advantages due to our player time invested at live launch even though there will be a rest. Another Dust example would be playing three characters in the same Corp and sharing ISK/gear between them).
Cheers, Cross
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.11.29 02:15:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Nicol Bolas Planeswalker wrote:Cross Atu wrote:I like the idea of AUR priced BPOs being more widely available but only for Meta 1 and Militia level gear. To introduce upper Meta BPOs would damage the over all balance and quality of the game moving it dangerously close to (if not outright into) 'pay to win' territory. The higher the Meta Level of the gear in question (suit, vehicle or mod) the more damage to the overall game it does.
Dust comprises a war between immortals where control of resources, rather than death, provides the true gain. And were loss of resources, rather than kills, are how one truly wounds an enemy. Remove the risk of losing those suits, mods, vehicles et al while still allowing someone to field the best gear and you cut the heart out of both balance and fun within D514.
0.02 ISK Cross This is true, but how do we combat rich eve players financing dust corps? I intend to start playing eve so I can spam proto gear. This is in effect the same as upper tier BPO. CCP has said for a long time that they intend to place constraints of some kind (the idea of a tax has been floated) on currency transfers between games so as to limit that type of problem. They've not yet released the specific details but have reiterated time and again that while Dust and EVE will eventually have fully integrated economies, they plan to take that process very slowly to ensure balance. All that being said I think there's a very simple change which would mitigate much of the EVE/Dust currency imbalance. Just shift the decimal point a place or two. If all ISK rewards and costs where higher it would change nothing for the D514 side of things but it would reduce the impact EVE ISK could have on Dust. Normalize (doesn't have to be totally equivalent, there are other factors like production, transport, expend-ability and resources required for production all to consider when creating a cost baseline) the effective value of the currency within both games and things should be reasonably stable. Because at that point while you'd still gain an advantage by playing an EVE character it would be more commensurate with the additional player time spent working towards goals within New Eden and that retains internal balance (for a pure Dust side example, all of us who play in the beta will have advantages due to our player time invested at live launch even though there will be a rest. Another Dust example would be playing three characters in the same Corp and sharing ISK/gear between them). Cheers, Cross ^This.
Again. Stop panicking. Also, no on is arguing a lack of higher tier MT items pursuant to some cockamimie conspiracy to dominate the game. You're going to have a hard time getting people to take you seriously if you keep up that train. |
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