I agree DUST should be represented on the council but it's not necessary before release and I think it would be just another thing to take time from development ... let's get this game working before we start on the extra bits like this.

It would need to be voted by DUST players who is representing them on the council and a post release vote would be more representative if cast a few weeks to a month after release, giving the game and players a settling down period.

I'm not entirely sure how many are on the council and even if they hold positions or are just all equals (I leave voting to the hardcore pilots, I'm fairly casual on Eve these days) ... mutual maybe DUST could add 2 seats ... one as an Eve/DUST player with knowledge of both games and the other from the console fps background to represent this side of the community.

VOTE ReGnUM FOR CSM

KDR>EVERYTHING

I agree DUST should be represented on the council but it's not necessary before release and I think it would be just another thing to take time from development ... let's get this game working before we start on the extra bits like this.

I'll back you wanting for a CSM placement, but to be honest at this point that's all we can be viewed as, little people running around playing in the dirt, it woln't be untill we start blowing up capitials that we get any recognition.

Skytt gets my vote then, his KDR is awesome as a dropship gunner.

No offense Black Jackel, but I would not want you representing this game community, especially exlusively. I have no idea who you are from forums or in-game, and turning a serious issue into a sob story for entitlement is offensive to me, as the situation is all too close to home. I know a lot of players from many corporations that I would pick first (some would probably be surprised since I respect the people I challenge more than I let on). I even know some other players in Southern Legion I would trust. But not you, and nominating yourself is suspect.

In full sincerity, I do not think the community is diverse, numerous, and mature enough to elect representation yet. I would rather set up a talk-with-devs open feedback discussion weekly, with voice if possible

I thought in most elections someone else nominates you. Not you nominating yourself.

Congratulations on finding an outlet for your feelings. That is part of your personal accountability and you should have a pat on the back for figuring out what many others were not able to. And I understand where you are coming from on that, I really do (PTSD).

But why would you take something that you are currently talking to CCP about and blast it away here? Do you really think talking like this here would help your chances?

I'm sorry but I would not like a leader to be someone who airs ongoing conversations or disputes before any judgements have been made. Save Face it means a lot.

No offense, but most of us dont know you. Want to earn our trust? Kill US a million times, revive US a few times... Support the Team, Squad, Blue dots (With mic)... Win the games or die trying. Stand by your teammates even if you dont like them... We are Mercs. We dont need anyone representing US, for now. We should not worry about anyone listening to US. Let the Gun do the talking...

If it comes down to Voting and electing someone, We would rather choose someone who has been fighting long enough and earned the respect. We have been fighting side by side or against eachother for quite sometime now. Yes its you ( STB, Havok Core, PRO, KEQ, RND, PHI and so on...) And also Dust/Eve corps we came across (Thank you for the GG, learned alot). I have noticed one common trait, i hope i am right about this: We will not be someone's B**** neither will we answer anyone for our actions...

I am a known entity by many

I have no idea who you are, in-game or out. You have next to no post history on these forums that isn't in your recruitment thread.

I've played on the Aussie servers, because of the time of day that I play it can be more populated...
that being said, my normal servers are the americas.
didn't see you at all 1 month ago when i was very active...(took a month break)


before you ask. to play on the other servers you would designate the squad leader as someone connected through the server you want to play on, you want to play on the aussie asian servers then you make the aussie the lead, american make the american your lead

I've played on the Aussie servers, because of the time of day that I play it can be more populated...
that being said, my normal servers are the americas.
didn't see you at all 1 month ago when i was very active...(took a month break)


before you ask. to play on the other servers you would designate the squad leader as someone connected through the server you want to play on, you want to play on the aussie asian servers then you make the aussie the lead, american make the american your lead

No offense, but most of us dont know you. Want to earn our trust? Kill US a million times, revive US a few times...

FPS players have a hard time with politics, not bacause they dont understand it. They could care less. I hope that day never comes where we would need anyone, specially you (No offense) to represent us or be our voice. We respect each other and we like to settle things on the field. Win/Loss doesnt really matter as long as its fun and fair. If im not mistaken, if and when they activate "Friendly Fire" some election rules would change :) We have a hard time listening to our Clan/Corp leaders as it is. You think you can get all these FPS players to agree with you and follow you and support you? I doubt so, they'll end up team killing you in game if you annoy them long enough or just for the fun of it. The idea of having a fair, decent and trouble free elections in a FPS, amuses me. Its like saying COD, MAG, BF players and clans being together lol

Each player, Clan/Corp will go against each other or may be even EVE players/ ships if possible, if anyone manages to **** them off to a certain point... We do not like controls, rules and regulations. One of the major reasons why we play FPS and If you really do want to run for election n all You have a lot to deal with my friend.

If you havent noticed, We are a community, check the FB page, forums and so on... Do we really care about What other game forums, players from other games think of us? I dont think so. This is Dust... So let it be... Kind of getting annoyed by people crying over every single thing in this game, Tanks/DS/Missile/AR/AV... Now politics!

If i wanted to play a non-shooter game i'd probably play EVE, WOW and so on... Dust is a good game and has the potential to become the best FPS in the future. But the focus should be "FPS"

I understand what you are saying bro... If you really want this to matter then let us create a Dust Council where every corp will have a representative. every group will have a say no matter what there playing styles are or policies are. not just one small group of people saying they are the "Leaders" and we are the followers. We would have our own meetings, discuss our own matters where every corp will be treated with respect. If EVE players want to be a part of that then they can elect someone or a group of people to sit in that council. Not the other way around... This is Dust, if they want to be a part of this then they should come to US, similarly we should have a voice in there side, as you have mentioned earlier. Just cause most of us dont play EVE doesnt mean that we do not understand it or have the capabilities of understanding it. We just prefer shooting someone in the face and enjoying that moment. You think FPS doesnt have politics, issues? You wouldnt think that way if you were a part of any major FPS clans or played games like MAG, SOCOM and so on. (I Know this isnt MAG, but this is the best thing after MAG was released)

You are not the only one with concerns and visions for this game. All of us wouldnt put this much of effort and spend so much of our time and money on this if we didnt see the potential. Most of us dont prefer mindless shooters like COD where you can reach prestige level and wait for the next game to pop up. I know i am a MAG fan and its still alive after all these years. How? Dedicated players!

You'd get votes if you choose DUST over EVE, or else you have no business representing DUST. If we have to choose someone to represent us, that person must be dedicated to DUST. Not have their legs in two boats. If you can do that, then i'd be the first one to vote for you.

Taking a sliver of a statement and placing emphasis on it... nice trick.

I AM a known entity by many... clearly not AS many as one would clearly prefer to see.

Many =/= All, and I respect that many will not know me. I play in a different Time Zone to most US and Eurpoean players, I work while you guys play, or I sleep while you play, and while I play, you sleep. So now, as we've establish that I am known by many, (but not some of you) we can move on.

I would hope, however, that people do not judge me because I do not play with THEM, and judge me based on policy and willingness to represent this game when, so far as I know, NO ONE else has endeavoured to do, or even aimed for. Representation on the CSM is an important step for DUST 514, it symbolises that we are not some add-on to EVE Online, but are a community upon our own, with a voice of our own.

THAT is why I'm running, THAT is why I made this post, and THAT is what I want to help give EVE Online and DUST 514.

P.S. I have no affiliation with Assassin's Creed whatsoever. The Jackal in my name was chosen symbolically to project an image of Anubis, Egyptian god of the Underworld who's image was of a Jackal. ie. The Black Jackal = roughly The Black Death.

I will respond to the previous statement, Garret, with a few questions of my own.

Firstly, in regards to you post sepcific...

What would you consider 'many people? 10? 50? 100? 1000?
How many people are currently 'active' in this game? 1000? 2500? 5000? It's entirely conceiveable that I know many from portion C, while you know many from Portion E.

As to playing from New Zealand, I play almost every night, from 4pm AEST to Down Time at 10pm AEST (UTC +11). The fact that you don't rememebr the matches we have had, insults me. And makes me think you either have a faulty memory, or are somewhat distorting the truth.

In addition, how many of the 'active' players in DUST 514 beta actually post? Many simply click 'like' (demonstrated that some actually like my OP, since it has some likes.) Did they post a comment? Probably not? Does that mean they mean less? No it doesn't, becuase IF we have DUST CSM Representative Elections, EVERYONE will have a voice, and there are just as many out there who see these forums as cluttered with QQers, whingers, and trolls. (Not saying that everyone is, but many people have told me they avoid the forums due to this fact.)

The fact of the mater is this...

I am committed to running for CSM on behalf of DUST. My motivations have been made plain, I nominated myself becuase I KNOW I have what it takles to step up and represent this community in the New Eden Universe, and that so faras I am aware, there have been no other outspoken condidates. I'm standing here with the guts to tell you I want to represent you, I have policies to improve the game and it's integration with EVE Online, and I truly believe that with myself representing the community, we can make DUST the game it's meant to be.

Sincerely, The Black Jackal

I don't want an eve player representing me in an FPS. I want someone who has experience in console FPS to represent my voice.

Not entirely sure how to take that Plymco comment...

Clarify please?

Plymco Pilgrim is someone who has a LOT of respect from the MAG community, love him or hate him, we all respect him.
started a clan in mag that lasted almost the entire game and is respected still (like it or not)

is currently a Playstaion MVP, which means Sony uses him as a PR guy, contests, giveaways, and "hey lets all play on this day"
are handled by him on the starhawk forums.

Trouble with doing that is, it takes time to get that kind of respect. Fact is, there are still a lot of people who have never heard of you/ played with you/ against you.


EDIT: I get it you don't think that should be a deciding factor, but it is, sorry.

Now I am not one of those who is over active on the Forums, I have read, seen, posted some comments, but I let my in-game play do the talking and clearly, with servers being what they are, I have not had a huge amount of exposure.

This in and of itself disqualifies you in my book. If you are not active on the forums, how are you supposed to understand the issues? What is an issue for you may not be an issue for everyone else, and vice versa.

And we know this how? If we don't see someone posting on the forums, we cannot be for certain that they are reading them. I don't care how many people from SL come to his defense either. He is not an active member of the community if he does not post. He is just watcher, not a contributor.

And we know this how? If we don't see someone posting on the forums, we cannot be for certain that they are reading them. I don't care how many people from SL come to his defense either. He is not an active member of the community if he does not post. He is just watcher, not a contributor.

You guys need to get off your high horse. The fact of the matter is, The Black Jackal is only known to the membership of The Southern Legion and a very few other people. Tectonious, I never once changed my story. I quoted Jackal as saying that he wasn't active on the forums. I said this disqualified him. You said he reads but doesn't post. I said that still doesn't make him active, so it disqualifies him. As far as the current CSM, or a past one, they are known entities. Not someone that just up and out of the blue makes a post announcing their candidacy for a non-existent position. They are known because they, before being elected, were active members of the community. The Black Jackal does not fit that position.

Again, you are not a name that is well known. How can I say that? You have 3 pages already of different people telling you that they don't know who you are. You have 6 pages of various posts in your post listing. I am not nearly considered "active" and I have 14 pages. Most of the posts that you have made are contained inside of the 3 recruitment threads that you have made. Very few posts outside of there and this post.

I am in no way shape or form trying to boost myself up. I am not qualified for the post in my opinion. I personally believe that the person most deserving of the position, and who would do the best job at it, would be Zion_Shad. He is actively involved in the Dust 514 community as a whole. Congratulations on getting to go on Podside. I can't take that from you. Congratulations on being in the tourny, again, I can't take that from you either. But the fact remains that you will NEVER convince me that you know what is going on in this game unless you take the time to read and RESPOND to posts. Or well, make posts that don't just serve yourself. How many posts have you started or contributed to in the Bug report forum? How many in the Feedback forum? Map sections? Or is all of your posts in General or Corp Recruitment?

As far as the CSM thing in Eve goes, no, they don't always post in the Assembly Hall, but they post elsewhere. You do realize that there isn't just one or two sections of the forums, right? Put up their hand in the beginning? Really? I don't think so. It is an elected position. If I were to jump on the forums right now and just put my hand up, it would get laughed back down. Why? Because I am not an active contributor to the Eve community. Yes, I post over there, but I'm far from being "known".

Now, understand this, I am in no way attempting to put down on you or anything. I just believe that it is a valid concern that many would have. The CSM is not some social club. It is for those that contribute to the community in a meaningful manner, and 2 posts in the Feedback forums and 1 post in the Bug forums does not meet the threshold of "contribute" in my mind.

And for my last little bit, it is SyNergy, not Synergy. There is a difference, and if you were as into Eve as you claim, you would know that, and be aware of the little details such as that.

and now another point... leaders should be cool calm and collected, not hot headed.
and if you can't use the official forum then why try to be an official.

gotta say it because it is obviously a rhetorical question. You Mad Bro?

I'll back you wanting for a CSM placement, but to be honest at this point that's all we can be viewed as, little people running around playing in the dirt, it woln't be untill we start blowing up capitials that we get any recognition.

have fun with this guys i see the only people here promoting this is TSL.
I'm done, good luck, good ridance

I don't want an eve player representing me in an FPS. I want someone who has experience in console FPS to represent my voice.

Exactly what i tried saying earlier

After meeting Jackal and several other Southern Legion members today, I have to say, he's impressed me.

Keeping a polite and respectful attitude in the face of the negativity in this thread - including my own - has also impressed me.

Definitely someone I plan to keep an eye on, and if DUST players get a say in who becomes CSM, and he's in the running, I'm going to take his application seriously.

No promises who I'm voting for though.

You are out of your mind even wanting to do this crap jackal, although you've got the skills considering you got Aussie players who hated each other with a passion to unite for a tourney.

Honestly, Zion Shad would get my vote for CSM

Ps. I wanna see your comedy act if I'm not mistaking you for someone else

I'm impressed on the amount of activity this post has (whether positive or negative). The one thing for sure is that it raises awareness about the CSM and that interaction between the player base and developers is a must. I'm always surprised with the lack of this in other titles when say clan leaders and game developers have a similar goal in that we both want to attract and maintain a player base. More games would benefit from a CSM idea, but we are not worried about other titles here...Just this one (or two)




Keep it up

Lol nope you got it right. I did stand up for about two years (still do when booked for the fun of it)

I'll post a thread in locker Room soon so not to take from Jackals thread. I'll create another CSM Post in this section soon as well

@ Vermaak: I'll post a thread in locker Room soon so not to take from Jackals thread.

DUST does need a voice on the CSM and it's what the majority of us want.

With the number of "casuals" who don't really care, and don't talk, and don't mind having no voice here or in New Eden as a whole, I'd say it's unlikely that "the majority" of players actively want DUST to have a CSM position. I'd say the majority of players are apathetic at best.

But the majority of people who DO have a voice of our own want to see CSMs who come from DUST.

Black, your timing is off despite what are probably the best of intentions. You should spend your efforts pushing and organizing both your own organization, which isn't very representative of the Dust community as a whole at the moment. Furthermore, you should join the rest of the community in pushing for representation involving or akin to the CSM, rather than jumping the gun and assuming that CCP will just give that to us.

We need guys like you- the dedicated and the driven- to help make this push. It's possibly the most important thing we can do coming out of the beta and we're going to have to fight for it.

How do you define the qualifications to represent the 'Console' FPS community comparative to the PC FPS Community, or the Console MMO Community, or the EVE / DUST Community?

PC FPS players get into more cerebral FPS games like Battlefield and Call of Duty, while us dirty console peasants play games for morons who can't keep track of so many variables... like Battlefield and Call of Duty.

Also, the console MMO community is almost entirely limited to that one Final Fantasy game, Free Realms and DC Universe Online. So pretty much... DCUO and Final Fantasy.

I'm still hoping for a Dev reply to this thread in regards to whether or not we will have CSM positions for DUST or not.

The response to this thread, and others I've spoken to, is that DUST does need a voice on the CSM and it's what the majority of us want.

It's not even in consideration until after NDA is lifted. And not truly likely until well after official launch. It's a bit early to get the propaganda machine rolling, but it's not too soon to start getting a larger forum presence so we know who the heck you are and what you bring to the table.

Have you even seen my recent post history? I'm here every single night. And not only just reading, I'm posting at least 5 comments a night. As well as talking to people in game.

And... to your NDA comment Noc... The CSM itself is under NDA, so it wont conflict... and only people with BETA accounts would vote, thus not violating the NDA.

It is under consideration. DUST needs a voice pre-release. As to exact policy, you can either wait until campaign launch, or piece to gether my view from said forums topics.

How do you define the qualifications to represent the 'Console' FPS community comparative to the PC FPS Community, or the Console MMO Community, or the EVE / DUST Community?

My 'qualifications' are that 1) I'm here, I'm learning the game inside and out, talking to people, asking their opinions, and in addition to that, I've played EVE Online for over 5 years, I've represented parts of my own local community in gaming, and I'm experienced at leading Corporations in EVE, and I've brought that to DUST 514 with the creation of the Southern Legion.

Specificalliy to FPS, I've played many Console FPS Games, from CoD, Battlefield, and so many. Even flirted with Halo.

Above all, I'm willing to represent the community of DUST 514, EVE Online, (DUST coming first in my eyes) and take policy to the CSM that will bring DUST 514 into equal footing with EVE Online both in representation, and in the eyes of Gamers.

The point is I don't believe you even understand the problems of the people you want to represent and you want a trip out of Iceland so you can feel like a big boy.

You had to create an alt to run which means you are not proud of who you were in console FPS or alternately. You were just unknown and not active in those communities. If there is a csm rep for dust eventually, it sounds like there would be much better candidates with a longer resume of experience, qualifications. And console FPS cummunity interaction.

If you had been an active member if console FPS community, the. You would understand that our concerns are different from a pc FPS player for many reasons.

This is not what you want to hear but swearing to learn dust and be part if dust does not make you a serious contender for representation bc anyone who is playing the game has those qualifications. You simply just don't bring anything to the table exept for long winded posts and the ability to sign your forum posts (which makes you look strange)

I vote no for whoever this guy is.

The point is I don't believe you even understand the problems of the people you want to represent and you want a trip out of Iceland so you can feel like a big boy.

You had to create an alt to run which means you are not proud of who you were in console FPS or alternately. You were just unknown and not active in those communities. If there is a csm rep for dust eventually, it sounds like there would be much better candidates with a longer resume of experience, qualifications. And console FPS cummunity interaction.

If you had been an active member if console FPS community, the. You would understand that our concerns are different from a pc FPS player for many reasons.

This is not what you want to hear but swearing to learn dust and be part if dust does not make you a serious contender for representation bc anyone who is playing the game has those qualifications. You simply just don't bring anything to the table exept for long winded posts and the ability to sign your forum posts (which makes you look strange)

I vote no for whoever this guy is.

Not to sound like a ****, but who are you again?

EDIT: also what's this talk about Iceland, alts and console fps communities? I don't think we're not he same page here.......

I know this isn't what you want to hear but you simply just don't bring anything to the table but stupid, irrelevant posts and the ability to make several hundred typos ( which makes you look strange)

Sorry if this post offends you but I really don't think you understand.